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originally posted by: Boadicea
The article doesn't give any specifics about the milk used in the study, particularly if it came from cows treated with hormones, synthetic or otherwise. Nor does it mention if the milk was raw, homogenized or pasteurized... whole, 2%, 1% or skim... so many important details missing.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Yeah, but when's the last time you've seen an adult male dog try to nurse on a female dog?
Animals stop drinking milk/nursing when they get older. If they're just handed some milk they'll drink it -- but they don't have milk-seeing behaviors.
originally posted by: Agartha
originally posted by: Boadicea
The article doesn't give any specifics about the milk used in the study, particularly if it came from cows treated with hormones, synthetic or otherwise. Nor does it mention if the milk was raw, homogenized or pasteurized... whole, 2%, 1% or skim... so many important details missing.
^^ we raised the same point!
originally posted by: Boadicea
Haha! I'd say that great minds think alike, but my kids tell me that great minds really think for themselves and come to the same conclusions
In all seriousness, I am very aware (and grateful!) for you and other ATSers who have skooled me on what to look for and what questions to ask myself when reading about medical studies and how I have benefitted... so thank you!
originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: anonentity
Thank you for this post. Very interesting but more research is needed as the number of participants was really small and in one location only. More studies could clarify unanswered questions that are vital to determine whether these results can be confirmed, for example: more people in different countries, cows with different feeds, were all participants affected equally, how long were the levels of testosterone lower for, etc. One small study such as this one does not confirm their conclusion as results need to be replicated.
Also, I read the whole article and the male adult participants (only seven of them) were given large amounts of milk in a very short period of time (aprox. 1000ml in 10 minutes):
"Serum testosterone concentrations decreased considerably 120 min after intake in all subjects: before and lowest point: 6.04 ± 0.38 ng/mL and 4.94 ± 0.13 ng/mL
That is an 18% drop which is not that significant when you compare it to the drops in testosterone on patients who take opiates and use asthma inhalers.
Like I said, thank you for posting this, but more research is definitely needed.
originally posted by: WhiteHat
...we are the only specie on earth to drink the milk of another specie, and also we keep drinking it long after we stop being babies, which again no other specie does.
We are also the only species that can write and hold a cup which makes the comparison redundant. Animals like milk and they drink it if they find it in a bowl, I have seen dogs, cats, ducks and goats drink cow milk. Animals cannot access milk by themselves, that's the only reason why they don't drink it. Milk has helped our evolution and in a way it allowed our ancestors to 'convert' grass into fats and proteins, which are essential.
originally posted by: anonentity
You are right a great deal more study needs to be done. But the anecdotal evidence has a strong suggestion that the effects of dairy consumption are cumulative in many ways. We are just talking hormones here, but their is strong evidence it upsets insulin production, and very strong evidence that the type of fat in Dairy, will coat the cardio vascular system quite quickly leading to elevated blood pressure, it also un coats the system quite fast as well, so if you are on blood pressure medication, and give up Dairy, after ten days , your Blood pressure will drop significantly and might be too low, if your still taking the pills.l
Meta-analyses suggest a reduction in risk in the subjects with the highest dairy consumption relative to those with the lowest intake: 0.87 (0.77, 0.98) for all-cause deaths, 0.92 (0.80, 0.99) for ischaemic heart disease, 0.79 (0.68, 0.91) for stroke and 0.85 (0.75, 0.96) for incident diabetes. The number of cohort studies which give evidence on individual dairy food items is very small, but, again, there is no convincing evidence of harm from consumption of the separate food items. In conclusion, there appears to be an enormous mis-match between the evidence from long-term prospective studies and perceptions of harm from the consumption of dairy food items.
The consumption of milk is associated with an increase in the level of high density lipoprotein cholesterol (good cholesterol) and with a reduction in blood pressure.
Results from early studies suggested an association between dairy products and higher cardiovascular risk (CR). Considering that dairy products are rich in saturated fatty acids (SFA) and that a consistent association between higher SFA consumption and plasma cholesterol concentrations had been shown, these results were considered evident.
However, several later investigations dispute such an association between consumption of dairy products and greater CR, and even find the association between dairy intake and hypercholesterolemia to be inconsistent.
Moreover, recent meta-analyses have reported an inverse relationship between dairy consumption and CR, and a favorable effect on lipid profile has been suggested.
Despite numerous studies, the effect of genetic variation has not been investigated in depth to explain the heterogeneity of results and provide better balance in the recommendations. Recent work suggests that variations in the lactase gene could be of importance in this relationship.
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Milk also opens up the gut so we can uptake proteins that are not be ready to be uptaken
originally posted by: PeterMcFly
a reply to: rickymouse
Milk also opens up the gut so we can uptake proteins that are not be ready to be uptaken
Interesting affirmation. Do you have solid evidence on this? I would like to further investigate.
Since more than a decade, I closely follow someone with MS and have good info also from all her friends also having MS. And despite the fact that initially I found the theory about guts permeability as being nonsense, now I think it is undeniable, too much similarities among many peoples with MS.