Breaking the Laws of Physics

a reply to: Nochzwei

Your random time dilating box... that really only makes heat get rejected for a patent?

a reply to: spirit_horse

Is that getting close at all?

No. That has nothing to do with it.

The thing is, there is no way to determine the state of either particle until it is measured. Nor can you select the state of the particle before you send it to the other room (or across the country). Because of this, there is no way to transmit any information.

Sure, when you check the state of one of the particles you will find that the other one will have the same state. But the only way you can actually know that is by getting a phone call from the guys in the other room...at the speed of light...telling you the state of their particle.

No information can be transferred through entangled particles.

So much for the golden future, I can't even start
I've had every promise broken, there's anger in my heart
you don't know what it's like, you don't have a clue
if you did you'd find yourselves doing the same thing too

Breaking the law, breaking the law
Breaking the law, breaking the law
Breaking the law, breaking the law
Breaking the law, breaking the law

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Nochzwei

And it gets you fame, glory, and even a patent.
So, go for it!

Not to mention a nobel prize and enough funding to do anything you want.

Lol, nice one

originally posted by: ErosA433
a reply to: Nochzwei

Your random time dilating box... that really only makes heat get rejected for a patent?

If you are talking about the ark video, I do see time dilation and magical anti gravity there, though am not aware of any patent issues for that box.

was going to start another thread, but this will do
often it is speculated that breaking known laws is dangerous for the universe as the universe is governed by these laws.
inviting everyone to share their views / theories as to why it is dangerous to break known laws, as these laws are generally man made and not universal truths.

originally posted by: spirit_horse

originally posted by: big_BHOY
a reply to: Nochzwei

The laws of physics have been tested by all & sundry and never broken once.

Except that faster than light speed has been proven in the laboratory and as such makes your statement moot. It is only a law until it is broken and particle entanglement in quantum physics and the lab tests proved it.

But by the 1960s, physicists were increasingly convinced of quantum mechanics and its propensity to flout the traditional rules of physics. Entanglement was possible, they said. But not until recently have scientists begun to demonstrate it. Last year, for example, researchers at the University of Science and Technology in Shanghai measured how fast "simultaneous" really is. They set up two entangled photons 10 miles apart, then observed how fast a change of state in one would register in the other. The result, according to their paper, was 10,000 times the speed of light.

Scientists demonstrate 3 way Quantum Communication

Quantum teleportation and quantum entanglement do not prove FTL travel. What they do prove is what Einstein called "spooky action at a distance" many decades ago, and scientists still don't have a good idea of how or why it happens. One possibility is that the two particles are entangled via a microscopic extra spatial dimension.

It's hard to say that ANYTHING violates the laws of physics when you're dealing with quantum physics, as the domain of the very small is, unfortunately, the domain of the "black box," into which visibility is limited.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spirit_horse

Is that getting close at all?

No. That has nothing to do with it.

The thing is, there is no way to determine the state of either particle until it is measured. Nor can you select the state of the particle before you send it to the other room (or across the country). Because of this, there is no way to transmit any information.

Sure, when you check the state of one of the particles you will find that the other one will have the same state. But the only way you can actually know that is by getting a phone call from the guys in the other room...at the speed of light...telling you the state of their particle.

No information can be transferred through entangled particles.

Yep. Here is a link on the no-communication theorum: en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Nochzwei
was going to start another thread, but this will do
often it is speculated that breaking known laws is dangerous for the universe as the universe is governed by these laws.
inviting everyone to share their views / theories as to why it is dangerous to break known laws, as these laws are generally man made and not universal truths.

If it's physically possible to break the law, then it's not a law.

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Nochzwei
was going to start another thread, but this will do
often it is speculated that breaking known laws is dangerous for the universe as the universe is governed by these laws.
inviting everyone to share their views / theories as to why it is dangerous to break known laws, as these laws are generally man made and not universal truths.

If it's physically possible to break the law, then it's not a law.

Quite true, thats why i say these laws are made and as such are not universal truths

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Nochzwei
was going to start another thread, but this will do
often it is speculated that breaking known laws is dangerous for the universe as the universe is governed by these laws.
inviting everyone to share their views / theories as to why it is dangerous to break known laws, as these laws are generally man made and not universal truths.

If it's physically possible to break the law, then it's not a law.

Quite true, thats why i say these laws are made and as such are not universal truths

I see. You're saying that a document written by men describing the laws of physics is subject to human error and may not accurately reflect reality in all its nuance. That is a fair point, and I agree. It's one of the reasons science will never be obsolete, as there is always more to learn.