Breaking the Laws of Physics

Laws of physics also known as Natural laws act as a barrier for revolutionary science. Any device that does this is not patentable anywhere. Why is this so? Is there a watchdog entity that keeps tabs on individuals that allegedly break the natural laws? If so, which particular govt entity is that.?
Though it is a fact that over the years lot of inventors have gone missing, or die under questionable circumstances.
Just wondering what are your views on this subject.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Laws of physics also known as Natural laws act as a barrier for revolutionary science. Any device that does this is not patentable anywhere. Why is this so?

I think your first sentence answers your first question.

The laws of physics exist. To have a patent for a device you must prove that it can work. If you can't prove it can work (even in theory) you can't get a patent. No patents for devices that break the laws of physics means that there are no such devices.

a reply to: Nochzwei

if you have a device that can do supernatural things, you first need to prove that it does, then how it works. the scientific community aka university professors, researchers are the peers that test these new ideas.

Weird thing about laws of Physics is that if you break them and prove did break them the laws change accordingly and you never broke them and just proved them.

a reply to: vjr1113

I'd imagine a lot of these inventors who went missing just decided to go quiet after their scam was found out

If you find you can shoot a bullet faster than the speed of light then you publish your work along with all the data to allow anyone to be able to check and replicate the experiment as many times as they want and if it does mean whats known as a 'law' is wrong then it gets updated.

a reply to: Nochzwei

You can use all the broken bits.

Nothing goes to waste.

You just pile them all up and it's called Science Fiction.

a reply to: Nochzwei

It has less to do with natural laws and more to do with national security.

The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 (not long after Roswell coincidently), allows the President to define "defense agencies", of which, are granted the power to work with the Patent and Trademark Office to identify and prevent any technology or inventions from being released that could pose a risk to national security. If someone submits a request for a patent, and it falls into a category that is identified by very specific criteria, it is "flagged" and sent to the defense agencies for review. If the agency feels it is a threat, they will issue a secrecy order to the inventor or filer of the patent. Sometimes, it might be more than just a secrecy order, where people might be employed under a non-disclosure agreement. It really depends, but it boils down to this - if something has proven to violate natural laws, and could result in new or modified technology that would cause the US to lose it's competitive edge in any given area (economically, militarily, etc.) - they will confiscate it and block it from the public.

As of 2014, there are 5,520 secrecy orders issued, which is the highest it has been since 1994. That's an awful lot of inventions or technologies, some are understandable like cryptography or weaponry, but others are probably questionable.

~Namaste

a reply to: Nochzwei

The laws of physics have been tested by all & sundry and never broken once.

If you have a working device or prototype that can do this & can be verified, then you will get a patent. Not to mention with the inevitable technological spin-offs waiting round the corner will be offers of many many billions from all around the world.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Laws of physics also known as Natural laws act as a barrier for revolutionary science.

What makes you claim they act as a barrier?

Any device that does this is not patentable anywhere.

Sure about that? Care to list some working devices that break the laws of physics that are not patentable?

Is there a watchdog entity that keeps tabs on individuals that allegedly break the natural laws?

Exactly which individuals break these laws?

Though it is a fact that over the years lot of inventors have gone missing, or die under questionable circumstances.

Care to list the ones that have gone missing? Care to list the ones that have died under questionable circumstances?

Judas Priest:



or Sybok in Startrek 4 saying: "I am not yet through violating starfleet regulations!"

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Laws of physics also known as Natural laws act as a barrier for revolutionary science.

No, they don't. Natural Laws have been discovered, not dictated. They act as a signpost that says, "Don't be stupid." We may not fully understand Natural Laws, which means we can "go beyond" our former understanding, like Quantum Mechanics in the face of Newtonian Mechanics, but it does not follow that any have been "broken." Most "revolutionary science" isn't.

"If so, which particular govt entity is that.?
Though it is a fact that over the years lot of inventors have gone missing, or die under questionable circumstances. "

The USPTO is the #1 place where new law breakers are discovered. But natural laws aren't breakable. And, anyway, it is actually all agencies. They all work together to restrict technologies. As others have said elsewhere, and you have clearly learned yourself, no technology is released until they figure out exactly how to use it to hurt the huddled masses. They have more control over us than you think.

About the inventor deaths, close to correct; the best inventors are set up to have "accidents." I don't think many go missing. Do you have a reference for that? As to what fraction have legit accidents, and what fraction were killed but set up to make us think they had accidents, that is up for debate. The mediocre inventors are left alone and the stupid ones are featured in order to give the impression that all inventors are idiots.

But I think this is also true of all brilliant yet naive good people, even musicians, like MJ, Marilyn Monroe, JFK, etc. Compare to Galileo, or Giordano Bruno, who they did indeed kill. Nothing has changed.

originally posted by: big_BHOY
a reply to: Nochzwei

The laws of physics have been tested by all & sundry and never broken once.

Except that faster than light speed has been proven in the laboratory and as such makes your statement moot. It is only a law until it is broken and particle entanglement in quantum physics and the lab tests proved it.

But by the 1960s, physicists were increasingly convinced of quantum mechanics and its propensity to flout the traditional rules of physics. Entanglement was possible, they said. But not until recently have scientists begun to demonstrate it. Last year, for example, researchers at the University of Science and Technology in Shanghai measured how fast "simultaneous" really is. They set up two entangled photons 10 miles apart, then observed how fast a change of state in one would register in the other. The result, according to their paper, was 10,000 times the speed of light.

Scientists demonstrate 3 way Quantum Communication

On the surface, these rules seem logical, like a common sense way to prevent fraud. But they can be, and no doubt have been, used to suppress technologies and devices which would upset the big corporate and/or financial applecarts. Look at Tesla and all his revolutionary ideas and inventions. Humans were half an eyelash from burying his alternating current technology in favor of exponentially less efficient direct current, just because some very rich men used their fortunes to influence the media and some government agencies & officials. Sounds familiar doesn't it? For the super rich, exerting that kind of influence is easier and more common now than it has ever been. I understand we can't give every single person who claims to have invented a time machine, anti-gravity tech, teleporter, or other dubious device equal consideration to something like a very practical tool. But I don't think any idea or invention should be dismissed outright or precluded from consideration.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Laws of physics also known as Natural laws act as a barrier for revolutionary science. Any device that does this is not patentable anywhere.

Bull #! I have been issued a patent (USPTO # 8887745) for my synthetic tornado invention who's operation demonstrates a violation of the second law of thermodynamics.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

I have never been issued a secret order of any kind!

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Laws of physics also known as Natural laws act as a barrier for revolutionary science. Any device that does this is not patentable anywhere.

I guess it would depend on who is defining "Natural Law". A man named Joseph Westley Newman invented a machine known as Newman's energy machine that he claimed produced more energy output than the machine required to run (i.e., over-unity or 'perpetual motion').

His patent application was rejected because the USPTO insisted the machine 'apparently contradicts the first law of thermodynamics'. But Newman claimed the excess energy was, in fact, generated by the conversion of mass into energy (E=mc2). He appealed the decision but was denied. He did, however, get patents in India, Mexico, South Africa and Spain.

He died in March of this year at the age of 78 (I don't know the cause of death, but at that age natural causes would be a good bet).

It is interesting to note that the only invention that the USPTO requires a working prototype of is anything that claims perpetual motion. Anything else only requires sufficient plans (blueprints) to convey the theory of operation to those that can understand it.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Laws of physics also known as Natural laws act as a barrier for revolutionary science.

What makes you claim they act as a barrier?

Any device that does this is not patentable anywhere.

Sure about that? Care to list some working devices that break the laws of physics that are not patentable?

Is there a watchdog entity that keeps tabs on individuals that allegedly break the natural laws?

Exactly which individuals break these laws?

Though it is a fact that over the years lot of inventors have gone missing, or die under questionable circumstances.

Care to list the ones that have gone missing? Care to list the ones that have died under questionable circumstances?

Common sense would tell you to google.
Sigh! They don't make them like they used to, do they?

Just wondering, if he made any product and market it.
a reply to: Shadoefax