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BREAKING: Grand jury declines to indict Cleveland policemen in fatal shooting of 12-year-old Tamir R

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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You all defending this child killer are cowards too.




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: Phibes

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: Phibes

Well, here in America it is unlawful to point a weapon at a Law Enforcement Personnel..


So, Phibs, by your definition, yes, why sure. Or Suicide by cop, however you would like to verbiage what happened...
o you don't think the cops could have handled it any different? Like drive off to a safe distance and call for backup vs jumping out of the patrol car and start shooting? Did the thought ever even occur to the cops that it could be a toy gun or bb gun?


In a perfect world, no innocent kids would die. This isn't Utopia.

If you actually look into he facts on this, another person called police about a "person pointing a gun at others in a park", so the police were responding to the scene based on that information alone. Was the cop quick on the trigger? Yup. Too quick? perhaps, but what if you were that cop, and your choice was to shoot, or wait and hope the kid either missed, or had a fake gun.

It's just a sad thing, but if the kid had not altered the gun (removing the orange tip) or had a toy car instead of a toy gun, he might still be alive today. There are cases where the cops did the wrong thing. This one is iffy.

Maybe if people all stopped breaking the laws, the cops would get bored, and there would be no more need to have so many around. (back to that Utopia thing again)



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:23 PM
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Or had the dispatcher mentioned a kid with a toy gun...



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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People frequently ask why "gun violence" doesn't seem to slow down. This is a good reason why. Its kinda hard to tell somone that shooting someone else is wrong when we will allow policemen to do this to a child.

We condone it with our silence.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: network dude

As I said in the other thread on this, legally speaking the cop made a justified shoot.

But the officer was put into an incredibly difficult situation by everybody from his partner to dispatch. He had a literal split second to react to what was a matter of a handful of feet away from him.

I'm glad the officer was not held culpable for the errors of others. His decision to shoot was justified. But his NEED to shoot was created by others.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: network dude


Agreed, Ndude, furthermore,

The law defines a tip about a crime being committed- the callers did not advise that the gun was fake,

"black male on swings, cammo head jacket and keeps pulling a gun out of his pants and pointing it at people"

Code 1 call, signifies great risk to the public's safety... ""the tactics did fit into the active shooter (potential active shooter) policy""



It is indeed a terrible thing, but if you are able to listen to the feed and watch the videos, the officers were in line with thier 'use of force' policy even though there was some negligence - as in many cases, at the end of the day, the officers had to make immediate decisions and act upon it.





posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Agreed and agreed Sham.

should of would of could of, there are a hundred different layers on this ..

So many facts and circumstances (or lack thereof)






posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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And another cop gets away with murder. Big surprise. There is no justice in this country anymore. When it comes to people who kill cops though.... the scales of justice swing the other way almost every time. I wonder why?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: network dude


Agreed, Ndude, furthermore,

The law defines a tip about a crime being committed- the callers did not advise that the gun was fake,

"black male on swings, cammo head jacket and keeps pulling a gun out of his pants and pointing it at people"

Code 1 call, signifies great risk to the public's safety... ""the tactics did fit into the active shooter (potential active shooter) policy""



It is indeed a terrible thing, but if you are able to listen to the feed and watch the videos, the officers were in line with thier 'use of force' policy even though there was some negligence - as in many cases, at the end of the day, the officers had to make immediate decisions and act upon it.


I still think it could have been handled differently.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: pcgamer11

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: pcgamer11 this was a 10000% GOOD shoot


there was NOTHING good about this incident. how is any part of shooting a kid a 'good' thing?




Good shoot as in justifiable. And to me, it was good actually. We all know what this kid was going to be when he got a little older.

Pcg
So minority report justice is acceptable now?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: kimar

No defending...understanding that horrible things can happen for the wrong reasons.

11 kils 8 year old

12 year old kills 11 year old

Doesn't need to be a gun

Another without a gun

These are kids. It is not a gun that did it. It is how they are being raised and educated to the world by the parents or other adults around them.

If my son was shot by these officers I would want their head but that is emotion talking and not facts. Again, it was a tragedy but it could have been avoided.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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BLM started with Trayvon Martin who was proven to be the instigator not the victim.

Then there was Mike Brown where it was also proven that the BLM version was a lie and Brown was the instigator not the victim.

Now this.

If this alleged war on black men by "the system" is really such a crisis, why can't BLM find any better examples to champion?
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Yes, this could have been avoided if the cop wasn't a coward. He shot a 12 year old boy with a TOY gun within 2 seconds.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: ReadLeader
Lets keep our eyes on this one; I am thinking there will be a large outbreak of violence- hopefully not, but remember Ferguson



Remember (or not) the famous Shootout in Cleveland, too. If violence breaks out, it will remind me of when similar racial tensions were politicized, in 1968.

In fact, political operative and disinfo-agent, JEROME CORSI (yes, the same Corsi of World Net Daily), wrote on those events. He claims to be a rabid right-winger these days...but back then he was a progressive and sympathetic to the Black Panthers. While, Dr. Jerome Corsi, PhD, has been busy publishing crass commentary on “lesbos” and “ragheads,” these days, way back in 1969, he and Louis Masotti sensitively wrote the following about Nation of Islam member and black nationalist, Ahmed Evans, in their book, Shoot-Out in Cleveland Black Militants and the Police: A Report to the National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence:


In a sense, however, this book is still incomplete. Fred Evans was convicted of first-degree murder by an all-white jury under an Ohio law that required no proof that he ever pulled a trigger. The effects of that verdict on the black community in Cleveland are not yet clear. Moreover, the circumstances that bred racial violence in Cleveland in the summer of 1968 have not changed significantly since then, and no one can say with confidence that it will not happen again. America itself has not changed in the ways that matter.

It could happen again anywhere.


Oh, I am sure it can and is happening again. BLM reminds me of the political operations of the late 1960s/70s. Yes. Yes, indeed, Jerome Corsi is not the man he pretends to be.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: network dude

At the end of the day, every situation "could have been handled differently" - the only thing we all can go off of is what they are willing to offer us as evidence; Hence one of my opening statements (did they make this public as to be hopeful) pondering if they are hoping that riots will not break out as to the ruling... May they be acting proactive?

IDK, none of us do...




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