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Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

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posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Your post made my day. In the midst of what seems to be a shouting match of barbed words, I think your response to me was straight up awesome.

I wholeheartedly agree that extremism in general is the real enemy, and whether one is "liberal" or "conservative" or "religious" or "whatever" in their extremism, it indicates an inflexibility of thought or unreasonableness towards other points of view.

I suppose, if the generality is taken to extremes, that it is possible for someone to be extreme in their tolerance and love of humanity, but they probably live on a mountaintop somewhere while levitating, or are busy quietly tending to the wounded souls around them. At least that's the only kind of extreme I can think of that doesn't end up a negative.



Thank you.

- AB




posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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I suppose, if the generality is taken to extremes, that it is possible for someone to be extreme in their tolerance and love of humanity, but they probably live on a mountaintop somewhere while levitating, or are busy quietly tending to the wounded souls around them. At least that's the only kind of extreme I can think of that doesn't end up a negative.

So extreme that perhaps they'll take themselves out of the human equation?



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope



My beautiful Christian friends who are also Liberals are not, in the author's eyes, REAL Christians. ONLY THE AUTHOR, who is somehow extra blessed, is able to say what a REAL Christian is...and is not. Apparently.
a reply to: AboveBoard

Absolutely right. With this same rationality, ISIS is Islam. Boko Haram is Islam.


Please elaborate on your meaning - it could go a couple of ways. Thanks!



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: Malynn




No pseudo-intellectualism to convey on any of my points? Which are true and accurate. You've got nothing left to say so you spew some nonsense.


Apparently it's "culture", according to you. Then they are lunatics, which is basically meaningless given you don't know a single member of ISIS. Yes, some "lunatics" decide to arbitrarily meet in the middle east to wage war for a caliphate. And apparently these lunatics drew straws to decide which religion to pretend to be. Then you quote the Bible. Nonsense and "pseudointellectualism" at its finest.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien




I do not tolerate unequal treatment from anyone, and that includes Christians and Muslims.


Finally. Thank you. Someone with the balls to say they do not tolerate bigotry, war, terrorism, homophobia, the ill treatment of minorities and women in the name of Islam. You're far more honest than anyone else in this thread.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



Finally. Thank you. Someone with the balls to say they do not tolerate bigotry, war, terrorism, homophobia, the ill treatment of minorities and women in the name of Islam. You're far more honest than anyone else in this thread.

Well thank you. I didn't see anyone here in this thread who said they tolerate them.

Many of us have no love for Christianity and Islam. I, and I am sure many others, wish they would just disappear overnight. However, I, and other liberals, support people's rights to their religions. We will NOT stand by when it comes to abuse and mistreatments. Any person who says he or she is a liberal and supports radical Islam and hates Christians is a liar.

[edit] Let me clarify the last sentence. If a far-right Christian conservative like the author of the article says that liberals (or even far-left liberals) accept or tolerate terrorism and radical Islam then he/she is most likely lying or hearing this from the wrong people.
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posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 05:43 PM
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[edit] Let me clarify the last sentence. If a far-right Christian conservative like the author of the article says that liberals (or even far-left liberals) accept or tolerate terrorism and radical Islam then he/she is most likely lying or hearing this from the wrong people.


And we can apply this equally, without hypocrisy, to far-left liberals who say they are not apologists for radical Islam and do not hate the west, that they are most likely lying, or at the very least insincere.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I would love to know who those liberals (far-left or not) people keep mentioning are. The only person mentioned in the article is Hillary and she didn't even say that she tolerates radical Islam and terrorism.
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posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:11 PM
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I would love to know who those far-left liberals people keep mentioning are. The only person mentioned in the article is Hillary and she didn't even say that she tolerates radical Islam and terrorism.


I think this thread is a good example. It's not as overt as any other religious apologist, but anyone who diverts the discussion about Christianity, conservatives, when the thread is about liberals and Islam, are guilty of this. Any apologist who insists that "extremism", "culture", Western Imperialism, and not Islam are the reasons for jihad and Islamic terrorism are equally as guilty, when the acts of violence themselves are justified (in video and print countless times) by the very doctrines they are defending.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:18 PM
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I don't think you understand, people are supporting radical Islam by not allowing a national conversation to take place about Islam and who we are at war with and the deeper issues specifically pertaining to the doctrine of Islam, when we start talking about numbers conservatively at 28% who hold extremist beliefs and give material support or sympathy we are talking about a ideology that Feckn needs reform, I am atheist and I grew up in a Christian fundlementalist home I have no love for Christianity other than as a whole Christianity is far more redeemable than Islam, Christianity has had reform its islams turn.

Next we need to get down to the nuts and bolts here, the reason we cannot tell who is a jihadist,and who we are at war with,is because the enemy refuses to put on a uniform, and uses the society's we live in,and they live in, to hide, the enemy is patient and his propaganda machine is in full swing, we are losing the propaganda war. If Islam does not wish to be massed together than a sepperation needs to occur within their society's, they need to force the extremists and jihadist out, the enemy once again will not wear a uniform and fight us,it is a brilliant tactic and they are winning hearts and minds of even liberals through our westernized concepts of freedom and bigotry.

Also we need to have a government, a president who sits down on T.V with a strong presence of mind and explains why we have gone to war, why we have made the choices we have, where we are wrong, what will do to change and explain this situation so that we are not all having the conversation amongst ourselves and drawing conclusions amongst ourselves, that has really yet to occur in any meaningful way and I wait for that to happen. That's my stance.
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posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:18 PM
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It's not as overt as any other religious apologist, but anyone who diverts the discussion about Christianity, conservatives, when the thread is about liberals and Islam, are guilty of this.

You do understand that the OP and the article came from far-right Christian conservatives? They lied to us outright and should not be taken seriously.

Islam and Christianity (and any other religion) are equally threatening.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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They are not equally threatening that is a lie.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:28 PM
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I don't think you understand, people are supporting radical Islam by not allowing a national conversation to take place about Islam and who we are at war with

I suppose Trump is the exception?

Here we are talking and discussing so obviously we are allowed. I understand people's fear of Muslims because of what is going on. So what do you suggest we do?



propaganda machine is in full swing, we are losing the propaganda war.

See the irony?



Christianity has had reform its islams turn

Yes but Christianity, like any other religion, has the potential to be just as dangerous.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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They are not equally threatening that is a lie.

So Islam is the worst religion in the entire history?



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:34 PM
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You missed the point of national conversation and transparent government dialouge evidently, no president currently has the njts to sit up there and define these things because of fear of bigotry and labeling, currently we have yet to see a strong leader with serious presence of mind and intelligence and able to lay this out so that the conversation isn't happening amongst ourselves drawing division, I think trump is not the guy quite frankly I don't see any candidate capable of what I am talking about.

Next wether you like it or not, having such a national conversation is labeled propaganda and in war it happens, is it a negative thing? No, not always we both believe we are right someone has to be wrong. Liberals do not understand war so of course you would think propaganda in the negative ironic connotation.

Stop talking about #ing Christianity and start talking about the radical Muslims who multiply faster than rabbits procreate, based on a failed idealogoy that desperately needs reform.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

YES.



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality



Stop talking about #ing Christianity and start talking about the radical Muslims who multiply faster than rabbits procreate, based on a failed idealogoy that desperately needs reform.

What do YOU propose???



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: TechniXcality



They are not equally threatening that is a lie.

So Islam is the worst religion in the entire history?


Perhaps not the worst, but in this day and age it represent the largest threat to global security and the general well fair of humanity. Once again stop deflecting, and making strawmans



posted on Dec, 31 2015 @ 06:39 PM
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Once again stop deflecting, and making strawmans

LOL deflecting? strawman? Uh ok. You apparently forgot that the OP and talked about Christianity as well. Also you seem to ignore the fact that the OP and the author of the article lied.



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