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Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Let's be frank. Progressives long ago co-opted classical liberalism by taking on the tag of liberal until people started to get wise. Even so, liberal is still a damaged brand. I'd say classical liberal myself.

A libertarian wouldn't have anything to do with radical Islam like the ones over in the ME who are busy burning people alive, crucifying folks, tossing gays off of roof tops, beheading people and other nastiness. They are free to believe that stuff should be done, free to tell you that's what they'd like to do ... not at all free to violate your rights by actually doing so.



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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Even when asked the question, they still resort to criticizing Christianity. Maybe it's pathological.


And it didn't take long for some to resort to implying that all Muslims rape women and throw gays off of buildings.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Then it should be easy for you to argue against it's points, instead of dismissing it outright.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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Show me one post on ATS or indeed this thread defending Radical Islamic Extremism and/or Terrorism.


I'll wait.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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True "Liberals" are the Libertarians...and by Libertarian....I don't mean Gadsen Flag waving Glenn Beck fans..

There are no more Liberals on the "Left" anymore...

"Progressives" (Regressives)....check
"Leftists"....check
"Socialists"....check
"Statists"....check
"Collectivists"....check

"Liberals"......NOPE



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: greencmp

Let's be frank. Progressives long ago co-opted classical liberalism by taking on the tag of liberal until people started to get wise. Even so, liberal is still a damaged brand. I'd say classical liberal myself.

A libertarian wouldn't have anything to do with radical Islam like the ones over in the ME who are busy burning people alive, crucifying folks, tossing gays off of roof tops, beheading people and other nastiness. They are free to believe that stuff should be done, free to tell you that's what they'd like to do ... not at all free to violate your rights by actually doing so.



True but, it is necessary to understand the term correctly whenever we inspect its use historically.

For instance, many people think that Nazis were anti-socialist because they were anti-liberal. As you can see, to fail to make the clarification completely confuses any such discussion.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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And it didn't take long for some to resort to implying that all Muslims rape women and throw gays off of buildings.


Homosexuality is a sin punishable by death in some Islamic countries. Do you agree with this?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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It is simple. Liberals think that Islam is their best bet to destroy Western civilization so that they can re-build it as a Liberal Utopia.

They used to think that the USSR was their best chance until it folded in the 90's. Some factions in the 90's went for Communist China (Clintons) until they realized that it would take too long if ever. So now they have hitched their wagon to Islam.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

Blacks. Victims of racism, but let's ignore the high levels of crime within the black community.


You're ignoring the high levels of poverty in the black community....


Gays. Victims of homophobia, but let's ignore the high levels of sexually transmitted disease among gay men like HIV.


Not sure what your point here is? that HIV infects more homosexuals than heterosexuals doesn't mean they're a problem or that they're immoral...


Women. War on women, but let's ignore that women are not the same physically as men. Sure, let's put them in the infantry.


Then let them decide what they can do with their own bodies...


Hispanics. Let's ignore the masses of illiterate hispanics invading our southern border.


The US is an immigrant nation.

So basically you've inadvertently highlighted some of the worst things about the US...



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Show me one post on ATS or indeed this thread defending Radical Islamic Extremism and/or Terrorism.


I'll wait.



I take it my request will be ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative of hating liberals and progressives?


Not surprised.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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I'm a liberal, and I do no such thing. Guess that means you are *gasp* ... wrong again.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Show me one post on ATS or indeed this thread defending Radical Islamic Extremism and/or Terrorism.


I'll wait.



I take it my request will be ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative of hating liberals and progressives?


Not surprised.


This thread is not about radical islam or terrorism, nor about threads regarding Radical extremism or terrorism.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Show me one post on ATS or indeed this thread defending Radical Islamic Extremism and/or Terrorism.


I'll wait.



I take it my request will be ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative of hating liberals and progressives?


Not surprised.


This thread is not about radical islam or terrorism, nor about threads regarding Radical extremism or terrorism.


Yes it is.


From the OP themselves...
"So why is it the extremist liberals identify so closely with extremist Islam? I have wondered this for a long time. It makes no sense when the extremist Muslims throw gays from rooftops and violate women and people in general on a daily basis. Why then is the extreme left so willing to apologize for THESE Muslims and even identify with them? "



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: Blazemore2000
I'm a liberal, and I do no such thing. Guess that means you are *gasp* ... wrong again.


You may not...but your only representative entity, the DNC and the Democrats...do....in large


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Liberals have never been particularly logical or above hypocrisy in their thinking.

It is amazing they will bend over backwards to accept, justify, and rationalize all manner of brutality of Islam. I think it does have to do with the fact they hate Christianity so much that they view Islam as the antithesis irrespective of how the religion treats their victim groups.


It's actually the other way around. Have you ever noticed when you argue with a liberal they show you graphs, statistics, studies and facts? Sure, you can blow them off as "biased" or whatever -- but that's the liberal mindset -- facts and logic.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are ruled by "gut" instincts -- chiefly among these being fear. It's projection from the conservatives that the liberals are all full of emotions. Nope, it's actually the complete opposite. Conservatives don't want to appear weak, however, so they turn the tables and blame liberals for the things they see in themselves they don't like.

Look around, watch liberals debate and argue -- you'll see far more graphs, studies, statistics from a liberal than you ever will from a conservative.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I will concede that.

Granted, there are unlikely any threads on the subject. Yet entire books have been written about this strange relationship between the left and islam, which is arguably very right-wing.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

If all liberals talked and thought like Bill maher, i might be a liberal.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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Is "Liberalism" itself, not a Secular Religion of sorts these days....to begin with?

Something to ponder.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I don't think "liberals" attack Christianity in any way. I think they attack the anti-American/anti-freedom individuals who claim to be Christians, but really only use Christianity as a shield to attempt to impose their views and beliefs on others.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I will concede that.

Granted, there are unlikely any threads on the subject. Yet entire books have been written about this strange relationship between the left and islam, which is arguably very right-wing.


Yes it's Middle Eastern Conservatism, like the "Christians" in Africa.
Religion plays a bit part.

It's why Far right conservatives in the US are told to step back in line so often...
Contrary to defending and apologising for it, they see where it can lead.


But then liberals & progressives tend to have superior foresight compared to the right wing.



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