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Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: introvert




They do express outrage over such things, but it often goes unnoticed.


I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you are right... but please show me where prominent Liberals make such assertions. (You don't have to provide me a specific link but just tell me when/where/who and I'll find it).




I believe that is hyperbole


It's not hyperbole. For example, take that Pizza joint that was NEVER asked to cater a gay wedding, yet was persecuted to the point of going out of business because one employee, when asked by a reporter looking for a story, indicated that the business wouldn't cater such an event. Story here




They do. Have you been listening?


All I can do is copy/paste myself from a few statements ago....

I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you are right... but please show me where prominent Liberals make such assertions. (You don't have to provide me a specific link but just tell me when/where/who and I'll find it).




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: eluryh22

www.forwardprogressives.com...



It's not hyperbole. For example, take that Pizza joint that was NEVER asked to cater a gay wedding, yet was persecuted to the point of going out of business because one employee, when asked by a reporter looking for a story, indicated that the business wouldn't cater such an event. Story here


Equal Application of the Law. Perhaps you should read what you link says.


The owners of Memories Pizza in Walkteron, Ind., became one of the first companies to say they could use the newly passed "religious freedom" law to refuse service to same-sex couples.

Crystal O'Connor, the co-owner of Memories Pizza, told WBND-TV she would serve a gay or non-Christian couple at the restaurant, but would not cater a same-sex couples wedding.


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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: introvert

You just walked into a trap that I didn't set and inadvertently proved the OP's point... as well as a point I had made earlier in this thread.

Just now you focused on the "evils" of a pizzeria against homosexuals and absolutely ignored the atrocities performed by Nation States against homosexuals.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

The person who wrote the article misses a key point, as they are blinded by their own political and religious blinkers, as are many people who simply want to look at labels and not at at key aspects of life.

Those aspects are people and prejudice.

Islam is a religion, and like every other major religion is has its followers, fanatics and flaws.

It is entirely possible to follow Islam and live a peaceful life in conjunction with people of other faiths and nationalities, in the same way that it is possible to follow Christianity, or Buddhism, or be Jewish, or Hindu etc.

However, people interpret religion how they see fit.

The word extremist is derived from extreme for a reason, and extremists do not represent the main body of anything.

The only people who want to make out that is not the case do so out of their own prejudice, and they do so by creating labels and the means to justify that prejudice - be they the extremists themselves, who proclaim that their interpretation is the only way, or those who choose to demonise an entire religion or group of people because they proclaim that there is no difference between terrorists and ordinary people.

And that is what the writer of the article is doing.

Not only that, but then the writer also chooses to apply their own political prejudice to the term "liberal" in an attempt to somehow smear that mindset as well. And they couch that in "reasonable" terms that attempt to appeal to base emotions by using cleverly worded hit pieces, irrationally constructed arguments, stigmata and propaganda. In this case, they are suggesting that "liberal" thinkers romantisice terrorism and extremism. That's a leap of logic that is staggering in its arrogance and absurdity.

I don't hate the Islamic religion, and I don't hate any of the others either.

I DO hate extremists. I DO hate propaganda.

And I think the person who wrote that piece quoted in the OP is an idiot, because he/she is simply another extremist, that cannot see past their own prejudice and is using it to attempt to foster more prejudice.

I think the website it is posted on fosters division with articles and rhetoric like this. It is simply fodder for an ignorant generation that is lost in the signal/noise ration of BS afforded by the internet, pandering to peoples fear and using it further its own aims.
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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 12:29 AM
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Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam
Like who?? the average Lib have no special love for the right-winged suffocating branch of that religion than we do for the Christian branch of the same fundi coin, pls do not confuse our condemnation of Muslim bashing with romanticism and admiration, Libs bash fundies of all kind for a reason, because generally they are unreasonable , you will not hear cheers for Islamic extremist coming from Libs, the attitude of most Libs is... dial it down all of it!
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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: FlySolo
Something everyone seems to forget is 'radical' only pertains to our views. It's not 'radical' to cut off a hand in SA

According to the Qur’an, there is no such thing as moderate Islam.

Jihad is an obligation for every Muslim on earth.

Muslim apologists assure us that Islam is a peaceful religion but history has demonstrated otherwise.

Islam has one goal and one goal alone: to assimilate or to destroy.


Is there any such a thing as a moderate Muslim? Absolutely not, there is no such thing as moderate Islam.

...there is no distinction between “good Muslims” and bad Muslims. Muslims are Muslims and all of them agree with all the tenets of Islam and Jihad is one of them. Jihad is terrorism and every Muslim who says he is against terrorism is lying or he does not know Islam. He is saying this just to fool you. Muslims cannot be against Jihad or they are not Muslims. You have to see through the veneer of deception to see the reality of Islam.

The myth of peaceful Muslims

The problem is that it is difficult to establish which Muslim condemns terrorism and who approves it. What we call terrorism to a Muslim is holy Jihad and Jihad is a pillar of Islam. No Muslim can be against Jihad. If you oppose Jihad you are no more a Muslim.

Jihad means waging war against the infidels to make Islam dominant. This, according to the examples set by the Prophet of Islam is done through ambush, raids and killing unarmed civilians, looting them and even raping their wives and taking them as slaves. You and I call these terrorism, Muslims call them Jihad. But Muslims play with words. They condemn terrorism but can’t condemn Jihad.

The myth of peaceful Muslims



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 01:13 AM
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According to the Qur’an, there is no such thing as moderate Islam.

Jihad is an obligation for every Muslim on earth.

Muslim apologists assure us that Islam is a peaceful religion but history has demonstrated otherwise.

Islam has one goal and one goal alone: to assimilate or to destroy.


And according to the Bible there is no such thing as moderate Christianity..really??.. Onward Christian soldier really??
C'mon man . one can post any vid to make a point.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid
According to the Qur’an, there is no such thing as moderate Islam.


No.

According to your particular viewpoint, carefully spoon fed to you by sections of the media with an agenda and those who would wish to cause division there is no such thing as moderate Islam.

1.5 billion muslims in the world not killing anyone and going about their daily business (but occasionally being killed by the same extremists you fear) says otherwise.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 01:43 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
American Muslims get defended by me when Christians want to imply they don't have the same rights under the Constitution as we all do.


And by gosh, that happens all of the time..



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

In reality, Steven Anderson probably has more in common with Islam than he does true Christianity.

There is a very good reason for this as well:


I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents. Many deacons and Sunday School teachers are now inside the Baptist movement teaching doctrines of Rome. You need to read the following articles so that you can watch for the signs that you too have an hireling planted in your church by the Vatican.

LINK



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 01:57 AM
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1) A nation without borders is not a nation. And throughout history all nations which have adopted lax border policies along with mass migrations of lower tiered cultures, have almost always degraded for it...economically, culturally, scientifically, educationally.
2) Radical terrorists wish to harm Americans.
3) Radical terrorists have openly expressed verbatim that they will use our border weakness and our lax vetting policy via refugees to infiltrate Europe and America


Those 3 things are called facts. Facts don't care if you are a Liberal, Conservative, middle of the road...whatever.

Now....what are you going to DO with those facts?



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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 02:02 AM
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a reply to: neformore

Those 1.5 billion Muslims are not Islam.

The same is true of all other cults and false religions.

This is the only way these groups can function...

If the lower ranks were aware of the true agenda, the facade would quickly collapse.


"The real Muslim Brotherhood is not the fanatical sheikh with his equally fanatical following, nor is it even the top mullahs and ayatollahs who lead entire movements of such madmen; Khomeini, Qaddafi, General Zia are exquisitely fashioned puppets.

The real Muslim Brothers are those whose hands are never dirtied with the business of killing and burning. They are the secretive bankers and financiers who stand behind the curtain, the members of the old Arab, Turkish, or Persian families whose genealogy places them in the oligarchical elite.....and the Muslim Brotherhood is money. "

Muslim Brotherhood- Illuminati Tools

"The Muslim Brotherhood has acted as a clever technique to recruit agent-provocateurs for the Illuminati. The lowest ranks may sincerely believe they are defending Islam, and confronting "Western imperialism". However, these various terrorist groups, through representing different factions, are part of a single network serving the same Illuminati cause."

The Masonic Origins of The Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabis



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 02:13 AM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: Spider879

In reality, Steven Anderson probably has more in common with Islam than he does true Christianity.

There is a very good reason for this as well:


I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents. Many deacons and Sunday School teachers are now inside the Baptist movement teaching doctrines of Rome. You need to read the following articles so that you can watch for the signs that you too have an hireling planted in your church by the Vatican.

LINK


Ok so there's a lot of " FAKE" Christians that preaches brim stone and fire but real Christians are like U DO U BRO or YOLO But all Muslims are Brimstone and fire and so they are real..look you have this guy Steven Anderson and you have a person like Martin Luther King, you Christians that wash the feet of the poor and feed the hungry, and you have Muslims who feed and clothe the poor, You have ISIL Muslim extremist and you have KKK groups that used Christianity as their prop.
I know quite a few Muslims and non is batsiit insane any more than my Christian relatives would approve of the KKK types with their crosses.
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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:04 AM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I do stand by what I said. At no point was I, like you and others in here, attempting to speak about anyone else. I was speaking about Muslims and Islam. I was speaking about liberals and leftists. I label them as such because that is the labels they themselves choose, and that is what they are.

And it looks like I was right about telegraphing your little generalization argument from the very beginning. We use generalizations in adult conversations. Get over it.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:30 AM
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When the vocal Christians stop attempting to paint all Muslims as the same as terrorist fundamentalists and stop helping spread the fear I will stop sticking up for people I know and love.
Not sticking up for Islam (as bad as any religion) but the people.
Stop being so afraid Christians and stop attempting to make others afraid.
Why are you all so afraid?.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:33 AM
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a reply to: Murgatroid

I know Muslims who are moderate.
Had a drink with one last night
(yes it was wine).
Many I know are not as devout as you are to your club.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:38 AM
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The United States has bred the tendency for the younger generations to become selfish, starting with the baby boomers. Everything is about money, materialism, fun, reality tv, social networking, celebrities and so on. Everyone thinks they need to be special because their honey boo boo mama's keep telling them it's the most important thing. All that is glorified is being rich and successful by means of tv, social networking and celebritism. People thus, lose sight of the importance of good education and fulfilling hobbies/outlets in life and become more stupid, ignorrant, bored and looking for any revolution to fight for. They are so withered and dead inside they are looking for anything to feel like they are 'apart' of. So I feel that's why they sympathize more. They are quite ignorrant to the fact that The Koran does direct Muslims to cut down non-believers. It is a violent and sadistic religion and one of the youngest mainstream religions. I'm not saying mainstream Christianity is guilt free because it's not. It's responsible for the slaughter of millions of innocent people too. None of these main stream religions show they have acceptable fruits as the 'true people of the true God.'


...a reply to: Metallicus



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:48 AM
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Such click bait. And all liberals are christian is that right??? Hahaha I am an athiest but get down with the human race. Don't catergorize me. You are so ignorant. You place people in columns without recognizing that most "humans" are versatile. You are just all screwed up on what is placing this country in peril. I just look at your posts and find you to be ignorant.


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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:52 AM
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(Facepalm)
I am a liberal who was brought up a Christian and whose studies of Christianity actually turned me into an atheist. To me all religions are based on the same flawed premise. However, I don't go around shouting that every religious person is a moron. My atheism is a personal thing and I reserve the right to defend my personal views. I also defend the right of everyone else, Christian, Muslim, or follower of the Great Spaghetti Monster, to have freedom of religion.
I am not a fan of Islam. I regard it as deeply misogynistic when practiced in many countries in the Middle East. That said, I know a lot of Muslims and they are sane, moderate, secular Muslims, who often bemoan the fact that the crazies get all the headlines and therefore project a flawed version of Islam. This has made me temper my own views of Muslims and has also made me aware that you cannot paint all followers of religion with the same brush. There are also extreme Christians out there who are just as extreme and insane as Islamic fundamentalists.
I therefore point and laugh at ALL fundamentalists who spout ridiculous religious theories.
So this is my point. I'm a Liberal. I don't hate Christianity - why would I? I hate fundamentalists. If people on the right wing are stupid enough to think that fundamentalism is solely the preserve of the Muslim community then I can see how they might be equally stupid enough to make the mistake of thinking that Liberals hate Christians.
Oh and that's another thing I'm against - morons who make bigoted statements. I'm guessing that this thread plummets the depths of teh derp.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 05:56 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: tothetenthpower

We didn't say support. We said sympathize with.


That's the same thing, why would you even attempt to say otherwise? You're just using double speak.


You dare not criticize it and you openly defend it, even when it engages in things far worse than anything we would do today or have done since ... well, I think the crusades is usually the default equivalence position of choice.


Again, you confuse yourself. Nobody defends or sympathizes with Radical Islam.


Make no mistake, this is the fruit of moral relativism. You draw the equivalence and make one look no better or worse. You have no direct comparison, not truly.


What does that have to do with anything? You're still spouting off that I support or sympathize with RADICAL ISLAM.

Where are these posts of mine? Where are they of the ATS community in general? They don't exist.

What you consider sympathy or collusion is just people standing up for the vast majority of Muslims who do not want radical Islam as part of their lives.

For your to even accuse people of this, is intellectually dishonest. Unless you actually believe that all Muslims and terrorists.

( but you see, I won't make that assumption about you as it would be ad hominem and doesn't actually further the conversation.)

Good job pointing out that one side would rather paint the ENTIRE other side as all the same.

~Tenth

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