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Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:45 PM
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Isn't the whole issue a psychological trait that is well established that seperates conservatives and progs.
That cons like traditional, dislike novelty. progs dislike traditional, like novelty.

This important trait, a type of openess decides if people go to college, if they stay in their hometown, if they go to the big city, etc.

Both sides blinded by an innate bias. Both sides are needed in a society. enough prog to progress enough conservative to prevent societal collapse, to pull in the reins.

At this current point in time both sides have a point. not all muslims are bad but something has to be done about immigration.

In reality immigration needs to be reduced to 250k a year again, instead of 1 million. It is a difference between 425 million at 2100 and 625 million.
Like how currently SS and the USA's finances are a mess after the older generations not fixing it. our generations 80 years from now will be wondering why we failed to give them enough breathing room to even live and why there wages are so depressed.




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:45 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus


Why does the left tolerate radical Islam while waging such a sustained assault on Christianity


First of all - who says the left tolerates radical Islam?

Get your facts straight first. If you can go so far as to identify a radical version of Islam - then that means (one would hope) that you also recognize that there is a moderate Islam

You need for there to be a radical left - but you can't have that without a moderate left

I can't speak for all liberals, but any reasonably intelligent person would absolutely rush to defend innocent people - any people that are being persecuted

Are you willing to say there are no innocent Muslims? No Moderate Muslims? Do you claim that the left doesn't criticize ISIS? Or do you lump all Muslims in with ISIS, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda?

If so, does that make you moderate - or radical?

Are you also saying that any criticism of Christianity is the same thing as persecution?

Do you read anything besides right wing media? If not - how would you really know what the left criticizes or supports?

What the blaze is The Blaze telling you?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I was under the impression this thread was about the left and Islam, not the right and Christians.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



People tend to use generalizations. It's a key component of communication. I was hoping fellow adults might realize this.


Lame, cowardly - and lazy

You said:


You would think that a liberal-mindset would oppose a religion that condemns freedom of religion and freedom of speech, that mistreats minorities, homosexuals and women, but the rhetoric coming out of the left is nothing short of Islamic advocacy.


So, I'm asking you:

Do you believe all Muslims are the same? Do you believe all Christians are the same?

Do you believe all liberals are the same?

Do you agree with all conservatives?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: introvert

This list of "significant violence against LGBT People" on Wikipedia makes me really sad. It's sad because it's way, way to long:

Significan Acts of Violence Against LGBT People (United States)

Are all of them motivated by Christianity? No, I won't make that claim -- but I will say that the Christian influence in this country has created an atmosphere that is intolerant and hostile to gay people. If you read through the whole thing, there are a few directly attributed to extreme right-wing Christians, such as this one:



Ronald Gay entered a gay bar in Roanoke, Virginia on September 22, 2000 and opened fire on the patrons, killing Danny Overstreet, 43 years old, and severely injuring six others. Ronald said he was angry over what his name now meant, and deeply upset that three of his sons had changed their surname. He claimed that he had been told by God to find and kill lesbians and gay men, describing himself as a "Christian Soldier working for my Lord;" Gay testified in court that "he wished he could have killed more ****," before several of the shooting victims as well as Danny Overstreet's family and friends.[129]

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: LesMisanthrope



People tend to use generalizations. It's a key component of communication. I was hoping fellow adults might realize this.


Lame, cowardly - and lazy

You said:


You would think that a liberal-mindset would oppose a religion that condemns freedom of religion and freedom of speech, that mistreats minorities, homosexuals and women, but the rhetoric coming out of the left is nothing short of Islamic advocacy.


So, I'm asking you:

Do you believe all Muslims are the same? Do you believe all Christians are the same?

Do you believe all liberals are the same?

Do you agree with all conservatives?


No.

No.

No.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:51 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko



We know you don't care ...


There are many things I do not care about. I'm probably the most heartless Leftist there is. Not because I don't care, but because I can't do anything about it.



until it becomes a handy political bludgeon with which to try to draw equivalence which you, yourself admit.


I'd like to see exactly where I admitted such a thing. Please oblige?



What policies?


Abortions policies? How about the push against equal application of the law for homosexuals? How about the language we should speak and the attire we choose to put on our head?



then you are drawing a false equivalence as African Christians are not becoming refugees in large numbers and rushing past the immigration vetting process.


So refugee status should have an impact on how we feel about the atrocities committed against innocent people? Absolutely absurd. I'm beginning to rethink the idea that I am so heartless.



You are simply doing it to try to shame us into shutting up and not pointing out our government has no reliable vetting process in place for the refugees coming here from the ME.


I'm doing it to shame you for your utter hypocrisy and absolute lack of honesty. You just tried to boil-down this issue to a vetting process, while blaming Muslims for their violence.....while forgiving violence by others based on their refugee status.





But I suppose it's cool to you if some of those people happen to be the ones who set people on fire alive and throw others off of building tops for sleeping with the wrong gender.

Or procure illegal firearms and go on shooting rampages against random folks for ... reasons that you will quickly try to reassure us had nothing to do with their religion.


Logical fallacy. Appeal to emotion. Doesn't mean jack.



But please make up a pretty fiction about how this is all about us being super defensive over Christianity ...


It's not fiction. You just helped prove it.



If that's true, then we're simply the pot and you are the kettle.


Either you don't understand what that statement meant, or you need to re-read it. Otherwise you just admitted to your hypocrisy.



I'm not even sure where this came from as my attendance here has been spotty and this is my last post for the evening.


It's easy to find. You said that liberals were trying to suppress religious freedoms. I would like to know what religious freedoms have been suppressed.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

I was under the impression this thread was about the left and Islam, not the right and Christians.


It is, indeed. But the "Right and Christians" aspect is important to highlight the hypocrisy of the Right's argument against Islam. They have no leg to stand on unless they denounce the actions currently being committed by Christians in the name of their book/god, and announce similar actions be taken.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

I was under the impression this thread was about the left and Islam, not the right and Christians.


It is, indeed. But the "Right and Christians" aspect is important to highlight the hypocrisy of the Right's argument against Islam. They have no leg to stand on unless they denounce the actions currently being committed by Christians in the name of their book/god, and announce similar actions be taken.


Absolutely. Do you believe we should hold the same criticism for the left and Islam?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Then what the hell are you really saying?

If you don't believe all Muslims are the same - then you know that not all of them condemn freedom of religion and freedom of speech, mistreat minorities, homosexuals and women

You're being completely dishonest up front so that you can then go on to lump all liberals into the same group and criticize them - even though you just admitted you don't believe all liberals are the same

You do this to impress the conservatives critical of all liberals - even though you know that all conservatives are not the same - and so, not above being criticized themselves


I was hoping fellow adults might realize this.

Does all of that sound like something an adult would do?

You know where all your pats are Les - and you'll evidently crap on your own principles just to get them



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Can you elaborate on these acts?
What is the Christian Church doing that commands us to kill and HOW have YOU possibly survived?
NOT what is in the book ,WHAT IS DONE.
I'm a bad Christian you see ,I don't stone witches.
The one I dated was nice.Her female parts WERE not cold either.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Childish, ridiculous, and stupid.

I never said all Muslims. Not once.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

I was under the impression this thread was about the left and Islam, not the right and Christians.


It is, indeed. But the "Right and Christians" aspect is important to highlight the hypocrisy of the Right's argument against Islam. They have no leg to stand on unless they denounce the actions currently being committed by Christians in the name of their book/god, and announce similar actions be taken.


Absolutely. Do you believe we should hold the same criticism for the left and Islam?


I believe that to be a trick question. You want me to say yes, and I would say just that, but you may try to make the argument that Islam is approached differently by the Left than is Christianity.

That is false.

Both Islam and Christianity are approached in the same way by Leftists, but it is not perceived that way because the Right Wing Christians have a persecution complex that does not allow them to recognize that. They must play the victim.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

I was under the impression this thread was about the left and Islam, not the right and Christians.


It is, indeed. But the "Right and Christians" aspect is important to highlight the hypocrisy of the Right's argument against Islam. They have no leg to stand on unless they denounce the actions currently being committed by Christians in the name of their book/god, and announce similar actions be taken.


You are absolutely correct that Christians should denounce those who perform atrocities in the name of Christianity. It is also true that Muslims should denounce those that perform atrocities in the name of Islam... and here in lies the difference in the state of global affairs.

In Western Nations there have been no genocides against those of the Islamic faith in recent history. However, in more than one Middle Eastern nation there has been and continues to be atrocities being perpetrated by self declared Islamic States (I don't mean ISIS, I mean nations that self identify as Islamic).

Womens Rights in Iran:
Women REQUIRING their husband's permission for certain things. Everyone being under the scrutiny of Morality Police.

LGTB Rights in Saudi Arabia:
Homosexuals or Trans people suffering Capital Punishment (among other fates).

If I may go back to the Original Post... Where is the outrage from self proclaimed "Liberals" at the actions taken not by random "bad apples" within a group... but by actual self proclaimed Islamic National Governments that do these things? Why is it that people that slightly hesitate to accept (while don't denounce) gay marriage are instantly labeled homophobes, yet the same people slinging those accusations say so little (if anything at all) about parts of the globe where governments that are recognized by Western Nations perform such horrors on a daily basis?

Why is that?
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope


I never said all Muslims.

You want to show me where you say that Islam is separate from Muslims? Where is it exactly that you pointed out that not all Muslims are bad?

You're not exactly being ambiguous:


You would think that a liberal-mindset would oppose a religion that condemns freedom of religion and freedom of speech, that mistreats minorities, homosexuals and women



How do you explain the videos of jihadists using passages in the Quran to justify their atrocities? Just recently, the leader of ISIS said those who do not support ISIS are not true Muslims. How are you so sure they do not represent Islam?



Islam is not simply what the nicer muslims say it is. Islam is the faith in the revelations of Muhammad, as codified in the Quran.


Are you being moderate in your views of either Islam, or the liberals that stand up to defend them? The only way your criticism could possibly make sense is if you believe that Muslims don't deserve to be defended and that liberals are completely wrong to do so



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:23 PM
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a reply to: introvert



I believe that to be a trick question. You want me to say yes, and I would say just that, but you may try to make the argument that Islam is approached differently by the Left than is Christianity.

That is false.

Both Islam and Christianity are approached in the same way by Leftists, but it is not perceived that way because the Right Wing Christians have a persecution complex that does not allow them to recognize that. They must play the victim.


It's not a trick question, I promise.

Islamism is the biggest issue facing the west today. Why can't we focus on it?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Islam isn't separate from Muslims. Muslims practice Islam. I would never say such an absurdity. But I would also never assume a set of beliefs is a people, which is equally ridiculous.

Write a thread on me if you want me as your topic.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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Where is the outrage from self proclaimed "Liberals" at the actions taken not by random "bad apples" within a group... but by actual self proclaimed Islamic National Governments that do these things?


They do express outrage over such things, but it often goes unnoticed.



Why is it that people that slightly hesitate to accept (while don't denounce) gay marriage are instantly labeled homophobes


I believe that is hyperbole.



yet the same people slinging those accusations say so little (if anything at all) about parts of the globe where governments that are recognized by Western Nations perform such horrors on a daily basis?


They do. Have you been listening?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:35 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert



I believe that to be a trick question. You want me to say yes, and I would say just that, but you may try to make the argument that Islam is approached differently by the Left than is Christianity.

That is false.

Both Islam and Christianity are approached in the same way by Leftists, but it is not perceived that way because the Right Wing Christians have a persecution complex that does not allow them to recognize that. They must play the victim.


It's not a trick question, I promise.

Islamism is the biggest issue facing the west today. Why can't we focus on it?


Because it's not the biggest issue we are facing today. Our economy, trade policy and foreign policy is.

While we focus on what other people are doing in their own countries, our's crumbles around us.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:40 PM
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But I would also never assume a set of beliefs is a people, which is equally ridiculous.


You would (and have) make an argument based on your belief that liberals are their beliefs and Muslims are their beliefs - both of which are wrong

All liberals are wrong because they defend an entire group of indefensible people

You want to use your generalizations as some kind of absolute


Write a thread on me if you want me as your topic.

No need to try and deflect - you either stand by what you've said here or you don't

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