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Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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Shouldn’t liberalism hate Islam at least as much as it hates Christianity?

How can it be explained? Why does the left tolerate radical Islam while waging such a sustained assault on Christianity, despite the fact that Islam far more accurately embodies the stereotypes and strawmen they construct out of our faith? What’s the driving force behind this? Shouldn’t liberalism hate Islam at least as much as it hates Christianity? Shouldn’t it treat Islam with at least as much skepticism? Shouldn’t it be at least as vocal in its protests? At least as vicious in its denouncements? At least as snide in its mockery?

Yes, it should, but it isn’t. Why?


First off, I am not speaking to anyone in particular with this posting so there is no need to be offended unless you are one of the hypocrites to which the author is alluding. I have often pondered WHY liberal apologists are so adamant about defending Islam, a much more barbaric religion, instead of Christianity.

Certainly atrocities have been committed in the name of every religion, philosophy and political belief over human history, but Islam is particularly still rooted in the dark ages in modern times while most people have moved on from killing each other to rhetoric (the U.S. Government excepted).

So why is it the extremist liberals identify so closely with extremist Islam? I have wondered this for a long time. It makes no sense when the extremist Muslims throw gays from rooftops and violate women and people in general on a daily basis. Why then is the extreme left so willing to apologize for THESE Muslims and even identify with them?

While I am not in agreement on every point the author makes, including that Christianity is the one true path, I am in agreement with much of the rest of what he contends AND it helps me understand this aspect of extreme liberalism that has confused me for a number of years.

I think that overall author offers an enlightening perspective on just WHY these two extremist groups get along so well.


1. It enforces the narrative.

Obvious, but it must be mentioned. Liberals have identified Muslims as an aggrieved minority, and this status means they’ll have the Muslim vote, but it also means they can never criticize, or tolerate criticism of, this declared Victim Group.

2. It makes them feel good.

Liberalism is an inherently selfish ideology. It is, as I’ve explained, the worship of the self. Therefore any liberal idea or belief will be adopted primarily to serve the person who holds it. White liberals feel good when they get the opportunity to be knights in shining armor defending brown and black people from the opinions and judgments of other white people. More importantly, it makes them feel morally superior to those other white people, which alleviates some of their white guilt and strokes their ego in the process.

3. It’s all relative.

Liberals don’t believe in rights and liberties for all people, as is evidenced by their immense affection for infanticide. For them, everything is relative, especially human rights. To put it simply, gays have rights here and women have rights here because this is where we live and where they live, and this is what we decided. Other cultures might decide other things, and who are we to judge?


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edit on 2015/12/28 by Metallicus because: Spelling Correction



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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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Not really.

Liberals basically like pointing out the hypocrisy of blindly following Christianity to the ends of the Earth as some kind of "superior" faith in the face of conservatives. It gets them all worked up and tweaked around.

Seems to be doing a good job I might add.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

You would think that a liberal-mindset would oppose a religion that condemns freedom of religion and freedom of speech, that mistreats minorities, homosexuals and women, but the rhetoric coming out of the left is nothing short of Islamic advocacy.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:19 PM
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There's a difference between defending Muslims than defending Islam. Millions of Muslims are secular and moderate. The fact I celebrated Xmas does not make me a Christian



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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That's the media for you. They always use divisive tactics to gain viewers. America has shown to love drama, so drama is what you get.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

For whatever reason, the modern definition of "liberalism" is essentially socialism or, at least, anti-capitalism. It makes no sense but, there you go.

Given that, totalitarian governance (as long as it is perceived to be socialesque) is preferable to freedom since people under the spell of this fallacy generally agree that people cannot be trusted to be free. Islam rings all of those bells.

Mystic is right too that the underlying threat is irrelevant if the circumstance can be used to embarrass incompatible totalitarian ideologies which adhere to different moral requirements even though they are otherwise similar in their anti-capitalist attitudes.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:39 PM
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Because they're NWO and this is their plan to reset. Whether its temporal goal with something else in mind, all the religions duke it out and the phoenix rises from the ashes, OR whether they plan to reset humanity back to the dark ages for hundreds or thousands of years is hard to decipher There may be sides as well.

But this is it.

And for some reason you get put in a thumbs down forum, whereas political correctness is insane. You can't be when facing this.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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Liberals have never been particularly logical or above hypocrisy in their thinking.

It is amazing they will bend over backwards to accept, justify, and rationalize all manner of brutality of Islam. I think it does have to do with the fact they hate Christianity so much that they view Islam as the antithesis irrespective of how the religion treats their victim groups.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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My two cents....

From my perspective, the only way that liberals "defend" the Islamic faith is that they stay (almost) completely silent to some of the daily actions/behaviors as mentioned previously. (Executing people simply because they are homosexuals. Rabid abuse of females, etc, etc).

To put in context, I constantly hear stories about "homophobia" here in the United States. More often than not, they are stories about what I would categorize as "passive" actions (a bakery refusing to provide a cake to a homosexual wedding and things like that). It appears that, at least to some, the act of refusing to provide a cake is actually worse than state sponsored executions of homosexuals. I believe that, in part, it is because many people:

A) As previously mentioned in the OP, many liberals view any minority (real or perceived) as a "victim" by default. Therefore, they can not bring themselves to look objectively at the darker sides of any particular victim group.

B) It is much easier to attack American Christians or Jews because they are familiar with them and, for the most part, they know that they will receive limited resistance. I'm no sure if people remember the old "art" exhibit called Piss Christ (a crucifix submerged in a bottle of urine), but if they do, I'd ask them to question would the same people that called this art be as forgiving as someone drawing a cartoon depicting Mohammed?

Edit to Add: Just as not all Muslims are bad, neither are all liberals.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: Metallicus

My two cents....

From my perspective, the only way that liberals "defend" the Islamic faith is that they stay (almost) completely silent to some of the daily actions/behaviors as mentioned previously. (Executing people simply because they are homosexuals. Rabid abuse of females, etc, etc).

To put in context, I constantly hear stories about "homophobia" here in the United States. More often than not, they are stories about what I would categorize as "passive" actions (a bakery refusing to provide a cake to a homosexual wedding and things like that). It appears that, at least to some, the act of refusing to provide a cake is actually worse than state sponsored executions of homosexuals. I believe that, in part, it is because many people:

A) As previously mentioned in the OP, many liberals view any minority (real or perceived) as a "victim" by default. Therefore, they can not bring themselves to look objectively at the darker sides of any particular victim group.

B) It is much easier to attack American Christians or Jews because they are familiar with them and, for the most part, they know that they will receive limited resistance. I'm no sure if people remember the old "art" exhibit called Piss Christ (a crucifix submerged in a bottle of urine), but if they do, I'd ask them to question would the same people that called this art be as forgiving as someone drawing a cartoon depicting Mohammed?



Excellent response. Good point about the refusing to analyze victim groups. Liberals love to put everyone in groups and then ignore any negatives about said group. I can see how they do the same with Islam.

To further illustrate:

Blacks. Victims of racism, but let's ignore the high levels of crime within the black community.

Gays. Victims of homophobia, but let's ignore the high levels of sexually transmitted disease among gay men like HIV.

Women. War on women, but let's ignore that women are not the same physically as men. Sure, let's put them in the infantry.

Hispanics. Let's ignore the masses of illiterate hispanics invading our southern border.

You can pick any of their victim groups du jour and see how they love to gloss over some glaring negatives within said group.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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Liberal here. I only defend Islam in that I say just like the Bible, there is as much good stuff as there is bad stuff in the Quran. I get angry with ALL religious extremists, no matter the religion. But here in this country, I see many Christian groups fighting to strip homosexuals of their civil rights, fighting to strip women of the rights over their own bodies, etc.

Family Research Council is a perfect example of a Christian right-wing organization that pretends to complete "unbiased" research studies which just happens to demonize gays. Yes, I know there are extremist Islamic groups who kill gays, but those groups aren't in this country. Family Research Council IS in this country, so I focus on groups like them, and the anti-abortion groups (Center for Medical Progress). I don't see any Islamic groups in the U.S. publicly protesting gay rights or women's rights, but I see plenty of Christian groups in the U.S. protesting same-sex marriage and abortion, so I comment on them.

I am very aware that most Christian folks here in America aren't extremists and I am also aware that most Muslim folks here in America aren't extremists. But there are lots of people saying that all Muslims are extremist if they truly follow their religion - and that's just as false as saying that all Christians are extremist if they truly follow their religion. So when people make those kinds of comments, I call them out on it.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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I'm a proud liberal and I can say that I defend muslims as much as I would defend the rights of everyone to have their own beliefs. I never heard of liberals, outside of TV propaganda, defending RADICAL Islamists but I've heard conservatives defend KKK's.

Then again, conservatives can't grasp liberal thinking AT ALL, so I guess the only thing they can resort to is other conservatives online that also don't understand liberal thinking.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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Well the article is just plain wrong from the get go.

No person of sound mind, liberal or conservative, support 'Radical Islam'.

To say anything different is just political division and rhetoric. That's like saying people who are pro choice also enjoy the killing of babies and WANT women to have abortions.

And to be fair, the only kind of Christianity that liberals tend to crap on, is the radical kind. So, it's consistent if you ask me.

Such a twisted view.

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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Yes, we wonder when you go so far to oppose the hypocrisy that you import that ideology openly. I guess you need actual oppressors of women and gays to really work against.

One wonders what you will do when they start openly raping women here who dare to walk out in the streets without a male protector provocatively dressed (where provocative means with an uncovered head and ankles, nevermind cleavage) and tossing our own gays off of rooftops just for being gay (nevermind daring to speak up about issues).

Will you then fight I wonder because you will have dispatched with us long before ... or at the very least have taken away our right to self defense.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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We didn't say support. We said sympathize with.

You dare not criticize it and you openly defend it, even when it engages in things far worse than anything we would do today or have done since ... well, I think the crusades is usually the default equivalence position of choice.

Make no mistake, this is the fruit of moral relativism. You draw the equivalence and make one look no better or worse. You have no direct comparison, not truly.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

Shouldn’t liberalism hate Islam at least as much as it hates Christianity?
Yes, it should, but it isn’t. Why?


Let me try my hand at this
So first answer to this question: Yes (well, hate may not be the right word, but close enough. dismiss, criticize, etc)



First off, I am not speaking to anyone in particular with this posting so there is no need to be offended unless you are one of the hypocrites to which the author is alluding. I have often pondered WHY liberal apologists are so adamant about defending Islam, a much more barbaric religion, instead of Christianity.

Liberals aren't islam apologists.
Progressives are, but progressives are not liberals, they are anti-liberal cultists hiding in the ranks of liberals. (a bit like radical religious are hiding in the ranks of conservatives)
As far as why liberals may be more vocal about christianity, well, in the west (where liberalism is strong), that is the major religion and what is the common experience, but yes, all religions should be treated the same. Islam is the bottom barrel religious oppression and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. They deserve no sympathy, its a gross social outcome wherever islam is established.
Christianity has merits and flaws, but end of the day, I dont care what a person practices or believes in personally..only issue is when its pushed into the public in regards to laws, tax dollars, etc..then its a problem in a secular society.


So why is it the extremist liberals identify so closely with extremist Islam?

They dont. extremist liberals at best will become people like Dawkins, making sure to laugh loud and hard at all religions.
Why do Progressives? fair question.
My pet theory is that progressives are basically anti-western. If you research their dogma, they are creating "safe spaces" in universities, meaning censorship and the idea of segregation. Women in media being covered up, and a moving away from specific religions while propping up others. a thought police with real world consequences.
I see them as snakes. this is a conspiracy board, feel free to push that further.
progressives are gross.
Horseshoe theory here, they are so extreme left that they dont register anywhere near where the liberals (classic sense) stand. Laugh loudly at them whenever possible.




Obvious, but it must be mentioned. Liberals have identified Muslims as an aggrieved minority,

Progressives have. a liberal see's muslims not as a nationality, but a religion, and if we are going with minorities of religion..gonna go with wiccan as the need to be protected

As far as middle eastern nationalities..meh, they're more of them than white people by far (if we include india). they dont qualify as a minority under any sense of the word.



2. It makes them feel good.

Progressives do this not to feel good, but to feel superior. The irony of course is that the logic is inferior.


Liberalism is an inherently selfish ideology.

Then you dont understand liberalism.

Classical liberalism is a political ideology that values the freedom of individuals — including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and markets — as well as limited government. It developed in 18th-century Europe and drew on the economic writings of Adam Smith and the growing notion of social progress.

Progressives have taken this and turned it upside down. progressives are anti-liberal

Stopped here as the rest was just a bunch of nonsense really. classic liberalism is a great ideology that seemingly should be the staplemark of any advanced society. progressive anti-liberals that are acutely anti-western, anti-liberal are muddying the waters and have been increasingly so in the name of "social equality and justice"...which makes no sense. you cannot enforce social equality, social dynamics are fluid and will manifest in a million ways individual to tastes...equality for social progress only means legal framework to allow people to be who they want.

Anyhow, just felt the need to split a hair.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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I could easily ask why "conservatives" continually invent red herrings as reasons for spreading hate.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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Even when asked the question, they still resort to criticizing Christianity. Maybe it's pathological.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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SaturnFX

Thanks for bringing the true definition of liberalism to this discussion.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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How about this.

Posters who keep making threads sourcing extremist sites ---- are supporting extremism.

And what is the ideaology of most of those sites? Right Wing, Conservative, Christian.

So, after researching your source, this article is just another extremist hit piece.

And completely ridiculous.


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