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Jerry Brown Signs Bill Allowing Ilegals to Vote

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posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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www.breitbart.com...


On Saturday, California Governor Jerry Brown signed Assembly Bill 1461, the New Motor Voter Act, which will automatically register people to vote through the DMV, and could result in illegal aliens voting.


Hmm. Should someone's who's not a citizen of our country be allowed to vote?


I have no idea, but California has been going down the tubes the last few years.




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:06 AM
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originally posted by: onequestion
www.breitbart.com...


On Saturday, California Governor Jerry Brown signed Assembly Bill 1461, the New Motor Voter Act, which will automatically register people to vote through the DMV, and could result in illegal aliens voting.


Hmm. Should someone's who's not a citizen of our country be allowed to vote?


I have no idea, but California has been going down the tubes the last few years.


Your title is misleading and I think this topic has appeared on ATS recently.

It has been pointed out that illegal aliens would not readily risk deportation to cast a vote that won't really make a difference. Vpter fraud has always been found to be neglilgible numbers, as in almost Zero.
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Even Breitbart's article title isn't as bad. LOL
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

This was near the end of the article.



California follows Oregon, where Democratic Gov. Kate Brown signed a bill in March allowing the automatic registration of all eligible Oregonians to vote when they obtain or renew a driver’s license or state identification card.


So if they are actually following the same bill then those not eligible will not be registered. I understand there is concern that the filtering will not work, but the article doesn't really explain where the safeguards are or how they may need to be made stronger.




. Should someone's who's not a citizen of our country be allowed to vote?


No.

That is why they need to be filtered and verified. It can be done the same way voter registration is done currently.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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What a wonderful scary headline. That nutty California. But let's look at the issue raised in your 2 month old article a little closer, mkay?


This bill would require the Secretary of State and the Department of Motor Vehicles to establish the California New Motor Voter Program for the purpose of increasing opportunities for voter registration by any person who is qualified to be a voter. Under the program, after the Secretary of State certifies that certain enumerated conditions are satisfied, the Department of Motor Vehicles would be required to electronically provide to the Secretary of State the records of each person who is issued an original or renewal of a driver’s license or state identification card or who provides the department with a change of address, as specified.

leginfo.legislature.ca.gov...

So, unless the DMV provides information documenting the citizenship status of the licensee, they are not included in the automatic registration process. It is not a case of proving they aren't, it is a case of proving they are. It goes beyond the fact that the license card itself is specially marked.

It's pretty damned clear.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:37 AM
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That earthquake needs to hurry up and break that chunk of the country off into the pacific.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:38 AM
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Break. The word is break.
And that's not the way the fault works.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:28 AM
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:40 AM
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Wow, America is mutant on so many levels now, seriously htf is there even a Bill of that nature to exist to bloody sign ??



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:50 AM
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its not like our votes count, money and collusion create leaders and laws, not peasants input.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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OK, but what does anyone want to bet that the people who do the filtering and verifying aren't allowed to ask what a person's legal status is?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 07:40 AM
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originally posted by: scubagravy
a reply to: onequestion

Wow, America is mutant on so many levels now, seriously htf is there even a Bill of that nature to exist to bloody sign ??



Luckily a "bill of that nature" doesn't exist and wasn't signed. Not even by Jerry Brown. The law only allows those eligible to vote to be auto enrolled when obtaining or renewing their license/non-driver ID. It in no way grants voting rights to non citizens.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 07:43 AM
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Nothing like jumping to conclusions based on confirmation bias to add a little swagger to an already hyperbolic thread!



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 07:50 AM
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This thread is either a Chicken Little thread, a knee jerk thread, or a hoax thread.

Here's how California's new voter registration law will work


When people go to the DMV to obtain or renew a driver's license, or to get a state identification card, they’ll be asked for the usual information in such transactions, such as their name, date of birth and address. They’ll also be asked to affirm their eligibility to vote and will be given the choice of opting out of registering at that time. Information about anyone who does not decline registration will be electronically transmitted from the DMV to the secretary of state’s office, where citizenship will be verified and names will be added to the voter rolls.



Is this really “automatic” voter registration?

Not quite. No one who is eligible will be registered to vote without their knowledge. Proponents of the New Motor Voter Act have emphasized how the electronic transmittal of information will simplify the process. Lori Shellenberger, voting rights director for the ACLU of California, called the law “a gold standard for what is an automated voter registration, but not automatic.”



How is this law different from Oregon’s, where automatic registration was first enacted?

The key difference is the timing of the “opt-out” choice. In Oregon, there are no questions about voter registration at the point of service at the DMV. Rather, the DMV forwards people's information to the secretary of State. Those deemed eligible receive a card in the mail that informs them of their registered status and allows them to pick a political party or to opt out of registration.



What about people in the country illegally who are able to obtain driver's licenses in California under a law passed in 2013?

Padilla noted that there is already a separate process for residents in the country illegally to apply for special licenses. Although citizens are currently offered the opportunity to register to vote at the DMV under an earlier federal law, noncitizens are not. That will continue under the new registration process. People applying for the special licenses will not be asked about their eligibility to vote and will not be asked if they’d like to opt out of registration.

“We’ve built the protocols and the firewalls to not register people that aren’t eligible,” Padilla said. “We’re going to keep those firewalls in place."

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: ketsuko

Nothing like jumping to conclusions based on confirmation bias to add a little swagger to an already hyperbolic thread!



I know in some states when the children of illegals come to sign up for state benefits, the people doing the registering are prohibited from asking those questions.

So why would California be any different, especially as it is full of large sanctuary cities, and this state I am referring to is not?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: rexsblues
That earthquake needs to hurry up and break that chunk of the country off into the pacific.


Yeah , let it be its own Central Pacific island country . Far away from the US (of course , in its own it already is)



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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Hmm. Should someone's who's not a citizen of our country be allowed to vote?


Does it really matter when the democratic process is won by money..




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:13 AM
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Should someone's who's not a citizen of our country be allowed to vote?


I've really never grasp the reason why anyone would even choose to make breaking immigration laws as their first act upon arrival in their new country. It seems entirely contrary to a number of points; common sense being the most obvious.

However, there does seem to be an effort underway to dilute (or, pollute) the US electorate to assure that preferred candidates have the votes (to claim) for reaching office.

Times have indeed changed for this nation. The future that lies ahead really doesn't look good no matter who gets elected... or, placed into office. This reinforces my gratitude for living the majority of my life in years when... we thought it was bad but had no idea of what was coming here in the 21st century.

We do now.

Best



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
the people doing the registering are prohibited from asking those questions.

So why would California be any different, .....


When you go to the DMV, you ask for either a dl for legal status or illegal status. If legal status dl, you will be asked "to affirm" your eligibility to vote. (Green card holders are prohibited from voting for POTUS BTW.) If you ask for an illegal status dl, you will not be asked about voting elig info, BECAUSE NONCITIZENS CANNOT REGISTER TO VOTE IN CALIFORNIA.


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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 09:17 AM
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LOL...what a joke. At the very least, read the article you're going to post about. When it comes from a known extremely-biased source (whether 'right' or 'left'), 30 seconds of research might be in order. You could have ended up with a better thread, titled, "Automatic DMV voter registration of citizens eligible to vote causes undue fear among some Breitbart readers."



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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And they know everyone is who and what they say they are how?




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