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Bernie Sanders: Veterans Care Is A ‘Moral Responsibility’

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posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: DexterRiley


If the US government can waste 6 Trillion Dollars on making war, then a couple of Billion dollars to help veterans is a small price to pay to help those brave men and women who got screwed up making the military-industrial complex rich.

You overlooked something. The factories for war don't care about the people killed in the wars, the soldiers that fought them, or the enormous debt the American people get saddled with.

All they care about is the profit margin.




posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: jheated5
I've seen some of his voting records and it shows him to be a liar or a hypocrite at the very least...

So perhaps you can cite some specific examples of his voting record that give lie to his campaign. Should be easy, right?



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 09:19 PM
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This is why i as a veteran do not trust Sanders.

"In addition to his civil rights activism during the 1960s and 1970s, Sanders was active in several peace and antiwar movements. He was a member of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Student Peace Union while attending the University of Chicago. Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War; his application was eventually turned down, at which point he was too old to be drafted."



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 09:20 PM
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Well, I guess we will have to vote for him to see if it's a lie just like the ACA. .....
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posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: jheated5

You make claims but show nothing for it. Let's see what you think this damning proof is.

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posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: DBCowboy



Can you name me one candidate in the past 20 years that has been against veterans?

Can you name one that has gone out of his way to make things better for veterans?



Sanders is the chairman to the Veterans Committee? Then he's one of the bastards that has been screwing us over for decades.

So you are clueless on how things work huh? Just because he is the chairman doesn't mean he gets what he wants.


I can't name one politician that has done anything positive for veterans.

And if the Chairman isn't responsible, then I don't know how to draw pictures so you'd understand.

So you support a dictatorship? Where the person in charge just snaps their fingers and whatever they want becomes reality? Like I said you are clueless on how things works in the government.



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: ANNED
This is why i as a veteran do not trust Sanders.

"In addition to his civil rights activism during the 1960s and 1970s, Sanders was active in several peace and antiwar movements. He was a member of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Student Peace Union while attending the University of Chicago. Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War; his application was eventually turned down, at which point he was too old to be drafted."


At least he did apply even though as a conscientious objector unlike that coward Trump who cried I have bone spurs so I can't serve. Many vets who came home from Vietnam joined antiwar protests so are they not trustworthy?



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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Penny,,Penny,,Penny.... love that tar Buster



www.politico.com...

While attending the University of Pennsylvania’s prestigious Wharton School of Finance, Mr. Trump received a minor medical deferment for bone spurs on both heels of his feet,” the statement reads. “The medical deferment was expected to be short-term and he was therefore entered in the military draft lottery where he received an extremely high number, 356 out of 365.
“When the draft occurred, they never got near his number and he was therefore exempt from serving in the military,” the statement continues. “Although he was not a fan of the Vietnam War, yet another disaster for our country, had his draft number been selected he would have proudly served and he is tremendously grateful to all those who did.”


Read more: www.politico.com...



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 09:50 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: DBCowboy



Can you name me one candidate in the past 20 years that has been against veterans?

Can you name one that has gone out of his way to make things better for veterans?



Sanders is the chairman to the Veterans Committee? Then he's one of the bastards that has been screwing us over for decades.

So you are clueless on how things work huh? Just because he is the chairman doesn't mean he gets what he wants.


I can't name one politician that has done anything positive for veterans.

And if the Chairman isn't responsible, then I don't know how to draw pictures so you'd understand.

So you support a dictatorship? Where the person in charge just snaps their fingers and whatever they want becomes reality? Like I said you are clueless on how things works in the government.


You accuse me of supporting a dictatorship because I point out how feckless your candidate and every other lying politician is?

Weak.

Politicians always come out at election time and talk about how much they care about veterans, and after elections, nothing gets done because politicians treat soldiers like toilet paper.

A necessary asset to have, but after it's use, it is something to be discarded.

Keep believing the pandering lies from your socialist.

I'll just focus on the actual truth.



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 10:40 PM
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Exactly. Veterans get treated like crap from the system that was supposed to help us.

The answer isn't more money, it SHOULD BE the threat of getting fired for not doing your job.



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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or the enormous debt the American people get saddled with.
Yep. They leave the American people with the debt for the war. They also leave us with the moral responsibility for caring for those whom they believe to be mere consumables. Just the disposable tools necessary to man their magnificent machines of war.

I'm no bleeding heart mind you. But I find it unconscionable to not provide these veterans all of the benefits that they deserve, especially healthcare. So, if that means borrowing more money to address problems that should have already been figured into the cost of war, then that's what has to be done. We used to call that throwing good money after bad.


If congress wants to balance out the increased spending with cuts to other parts of the budget, I'd suggest starting with their healthcare plan.


-dex



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn


the system that was supposed to help us.


So soon we forget. ...

Veteran Gate



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: ReadLeader

I have to admit that I'm not a Trump fan. I'm not a fan of any of the potential presidential candidates, but Trump says and believes some rather bizarre stuff sometime.

On the other hand, I didn't know that he was such a big supporter of veterans. He's certainly put his money where his mouth is, so to speak. That elevates him a little in my opinion. But I still think he's a maniac.


It's little facts like this that keep me coming back to ATS. Those little tidbits that are glossed over by the MSM because it doesn't sell advertising...

-dex



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:00 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Can you name me one candidate in the past 20 years that has been against veterans?



Sure, John McCain. He consistently fought tooth and nail to reduce veterans benefits and reduce finding for the VA. The man simply hated veterans. There's a lot of pro-weapons manufacturer politicians, but not as many pro-veteran (or pro-active duty personnel) politicians.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Nobody gives a sh*t about veterans! Billionaire trump could've used his money to fund something that can help the vets if he cared - but no, all talk but no action. They're all full of sh*t.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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I'm no bleeding heart mind you. But I find it unconscionable to not provide these veterans all of the benefits that they deserve, especially healthcare.

Sewing up the wounds is just the tip of the iceberg, The psychological stress they endure isn't always, if at all fixable. Only time heals that. For some it never heals. Many of them end it by their own hand.

War is destructive period. Stopping wars is the solution to that problem long term.

I support our troops, too. Bring them home.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:01 AM
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Do you have a source for that, or are you just boo-hoo-ing woe is me?

Who do you think helped fund our vets funerals when Obamas shutdown took place?
cowgernation.com...

$57,000 has been donated to seven organizations that directly benefit military veterans or their families, Forbes found. www.forbes.com...

Any other candidates donate anything to our vets? Please do tell.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:51 AM
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While attending the University of Pennsylvania’s prestigious Wharton School of Finance, Mr. Trump received a minor medical deferment for bone spurs on both heels of his feet,” the statement reads.


Can he remember which foot it was?

On Saturday, during a campaign stop in Iowa, Trump said he had a bone spur in his foot but couldn’t recall which one.

Pressed for details, he told reporters to research his draft records. “You’ll have to look it up,” he said. Later that day, his campaign issued a statement saying he had bone spurs in both of his heels.


No - no he can't :-)

Frankly - I'd prefer a president that can tell the difference between his left and right foot - and remember which one has an owie

I realize that I have some serious pie in the sky issues - I'm readjusting my hopes and dreams even as we speak

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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Oh I haven't forgotten.

Just recently there was a little publicized story about VA execs using relocation funds to the tune of hundreds of thousands to "move" just a few hundred miles.

The system is top heavy and no one is going to fix it.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 09:57 AM
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So far as I remember, no one was fired for the scandal and nothing much was changed. The lines are still as long as they ever were.

So if he was chairman, he didn't do much from that position in any measurable way except make angry noises.



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