Bernie Sanders Goes After Trump Supporters

a reply to: Habit4ming

But it doesn't do as much for the economy as Trump's plan. Trump's plan would see the highest economic growth and add the most jobs as per TaxFoundation.com

anyone who uses the "loophole(s)" is trying to indoctrinate. They are not really loopholes, they are tax laws. Tax laws are written by an elected body and signed by an executive. IF you don't like the tax laws, then blame both parties unless you are saying that all the favorable tax laws were written by one party when they controlled all of the electrical body/bodies and the executive branch of said government.

One needs to look up Sanders record on voting for taxes to know where he really stands. Obama's first 2 years when the democrats controlled both houses and the president. Take a look at the tax laws that were passed or not changed to see where they really stand on the issue.

Heh, tax code...

Tax codes are created to benefit the people who create them. Just like how the legal system is a cottage industry for lawyers.

One would think in a civilized and intelligent society, we'd have a system of government wherein everyone could understand the tax code due to its simplicity, and represent themselves in court due to how simple the legal system is.

Nope. Who makes new laws and tax codes? Politicians. And what do politicians do for a career a lot of the time before entering politics? Law. A lot of politicians are lawyers. Gotta keep updating statues and laws to keep the system confusing and the legal field needed! Gotta keep the tax code constantly changing to keep it favorable for those at the top!

The system is rigged to favor those who can get into political power. Once you're in those halls of power, you can prop yourself up further by passing sweet legislative deals that benefit you and people like you.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Aazadan

The US federal budget proposed for 2015 was 1.1 trillion

$3.8 trillion

www.whitehouse.gov...

a reply to: dismanrc

Under single payer healthcare you still have private companies competing, but there's only one entity making purchases. Defense contractors already function under what is effectively single payer and they do fine.

As for Europe, they're still paying a smaller percentage than we are, taxes or out of pocket makes no difference as you're still spending the money.

a reply to: Aazadan

You do realize Trump wants a single payer system with private competition on the back end right?

In any case single payer systems fail because the government controls the negotiations. Canada has been struggling for a decade and has moved to private firms to help offset their failings.

www.torontosun.com...

www.huffingtonpost.ca...

Edit: Trump raves and raves about Canada and Scotland's Single Payer systems.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Aazadan

The US federal budget proposed for 2015 was 1.1 trillion

$3.8 trillion

www.whitehouse.gov...

Umm did you actually read that?

How much is 1,159 billion requested?

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: dismanrc

Under single payer healthcare you still have private companies competing, but there's only one entity making purchases. Defense contractors already function under what is effectively single payer and they do fine.

As for Europe, they're still paying a smaller percentage than we are, taxes or out of pocket makes no difference as you're still spending the money.

How do you figure DoD contractors function under single payer system? I was a contractor and many of us had NO insurance under the company. I did under my company, but I worked with a lot that did not. They hired them as subs and they where responsible for ALL taxes, health care etc. The company just payed them a lump sum.

a reply to: dismanrc

When I was in my research position I was also a contractor for the DoD. What he means is the DoD takes in the money for payroll and then gives it out to contracting companies who then contract positions needed. Not in a healthcare sense of the word, just in a handling the money sense of it.

a reply to: Vector99

It lists the budget as 3,901 with receipts (federal income) of 3,251 and the spending as 1,159 (in billions) but that is only for appropriated spending. Mandatory spending is another 1,127 for a total of 2,286 and then you have our other payments (Federal financing and debt) which include a quarter trillion in debt payments (all interest) in the amount of 1,453 1 for a total of 3,739.

So Obama praises his work in 2015 about not having a budget deficit (3.7 out with a 3.9 budget) but doesn't mention that we gave ourselves another .5t loan and added it onto our federal debt moving us to 18,775,084,981,440.