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Pope Francis should resign to cancel the prophetic doom on Rome

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 03:20 AM
So the pope's resignation would "Cancel a Prophecy"? I don't think you can cancel a prophecy dude.

posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 03:35 AM
Malachi was not infallible, it was not a dogma, and we don't even know if we deal with the real text written by Malachi or a forgery. If Fatima could be forged that happened in the older generation's lifespan in 20th century, everything could be forged too.

This is my last post and last message to the Roman clergy, if I may say that. If they decide to go their way and play out "prophecies", play out end times etc it is what they are doing, not what I or someone else is doing who just observe from outside.

Here in a series of videos, testimonies and a conference, some within the Vatican have shown OTHER LANGUAGE is possible. To accept ET as reality means also to accept ET help to overcome the hard reality on this planet. Everything else is just buying time and sending the sheeple to their end. People have to have a chance to survive. Because the Second Coming may be after thousands of years, and no one, not even infallible popes, know it. Jesus has a precedence over any pope and any "representative" on earth, so to speak.

With that being said and posted, I am saying to you all good bye, you who contributed to those well known facts for years on internet and who spread them further.

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 11:24 AM

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: Phage

His family name is Von Brown if you don't know even that. He said that asked about the level of technology developed in Germany for so short time, when he was already in American lab. I think the interview is of his student Dr Rosin? or someone else. Anyway, I heard that on youtube by credible person who worked with von Brown.

Is this your only objection to what I wrote? The name of the father of the US space program? Why don't you comment the invention of computer chips, fibre optics, stealth, and a dozen of other modern inventions, that colonel Philip Corso who was in Roswell investigation, said they all came from there?

The normal progress would need decades, centuries, to catch up that pace.

Don't you notice how fast the smart phones outsmart us? Bill Gates said it, they are going to outsmart us, the entire computer tech, in a matter of short time and we should decide should we go that road or not. It is Bill Gates, it is not me. Attack him if you want to.

P.S. Apollo mission had fully developed computer microprocessor 386, of course secret at that time. What you had on the market is another story.

You are wrong about Wernher Magnus Maximilian, Freiherr von Braun. His name was not Von Brown, and never was. The Von Braun family was a aristocratic Prussian family.

He was a fascinating and brilliant man whose interest in rocketry started in 1915, when he attempted to power a toy wagon by firework rockets. The wagon detonated and Von Braun was taken into custody by the police. This was 35 years before Roswell.

Here's a Wikipedia article on him.

Also, the average smart 'phone has a CPU with computational capacity somewhat less than that of an insect. It will be decades before artificial intelligence poses a problem for us, according to Bill Gates.

So, I'm not really worried about being outsmarted by a smart 'phone just yet.

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 03:53 PM

originally posted by: mapsurfer_
So the pope's resignation would "Cancel a Prophecy"? I don't think you can cancel a prophecy dude.

I think that prophecy can be cancelled.

In the book of Jonah, in chapter 3, the prophet Jonah was sent to the city of Nineveh and told them that in forty days, they would be overthrown because of their evil ways. The result of this declaration was that the whole of Nineveh went into a period of repentance, fasting and prayer. When God saw that they had genuinely repented, he did not carry out the prophecy.

Several prophecies to the Hebrews describe the ills that will befall them if they didn't repent, however, they didn't follow the example of Nineveh and so the prophecies were fulfilled.

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 03:58 PM
a reply to: 2012newstart

If Malachi was not infallible, then it sounds like he had failed predictions. If he had failed predictions, then he is not a true prophet, and we can discount him.

posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 04:00 PM
a reply to: chr0naut

Those prophecies carried a condition though - repent or bad thing A. Malachi's prophecy of the popes carried no such things according to my understanding. Similarly, the book of Revelation carries no such condition to avert the end, only conditions on who will or won't be saved in various ways.

posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 04:06 PM

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

Those prophecies carried a condition though - repent or bad thing A. Malachi's prophecy of the popes carried no such things according to my understanding. Similarly, the book of Revelation carries no such condition to avert the end, only conditions on who will or won't be saved in various ways.

In Jonah there is no mention of a condition. It was "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown". The response that saved Nineveh seemed to be unbidden.

posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 04:13 PM

originally posted by: mazzroth The Anti Christ has to be Obama ( Gay and a Muslim ) the 2 Witnesses are Israel and the Catholic Church both alive and well right now.

Just awaiting the "Wormwood" event and the big die off now.

perhaps the 'wormwood' 'burning like a Torch' has already started .... but we know that end-time event as Fukushima

as far as Hussein Obama, naw, if anything he's setting up the conditions (Chaos) for the AC = Mahdi in the next generation
and Israel nor the Roman Catholic Church can be the 2 witnesses, the end-time Evangelists die in the streets of Babylon


about the thread topic... a prophecy will be accomplished, eventually, through any number of unexpected 'twists and turns' in logic or events...
else wise the prophecy is a False One.... (now there is secret concers that both the Malichy pope list and the 3rd secret of Fatima are both false narratives wrought by the Jesuit Faction in Vatican City seeking to throne their own 'Black Pope ~ as in Dark or Sinister person = not signifying skin tone for the PC adherents out there

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 04:20 PM

originally posted by: mazzroth
The Anti Christ has to be Obama ( Gay and a Muslim )

I don't suppose you have any proof of Obama being a Muslim or being gay?

posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:52 PM
Out of the 266 Popes,

Benedict XVI is the second oldest Pope/Emeritus Pope at 88 years.

The longest surviving Pope was Pope Leo XIII, he passed away at 93.
The third longest surviving Pope was Pope Clement XII, he lived to 87 years.

If Pope Francis resigned in 4 years and 3 weeks from now, he would be the 10th longest surviving Pope out of 266.

Over a year ago, Pope Francis hinted strongly that he would resign, he predicted he would have a fairly short reign. He said clearly that the resignation of Pope Benedict created a new precedent for future Popes.

His idea of being Pope was to dispense of the red shoes, and to open wide the doors to embrace everyone, the outcast, the deformed, and the sinner. One big happy family to be close to the people of the Church.

(Whether he came in as true Pope or came in as anti-PP) Pope Francis did not expect the bomb of prophecy. He underestimated the possibility of schism from the previous Pope.

This was not what Pope Francis wanted, the desirability of being Pope for him, is probably much, very much reduced because of those that reject his dream for the Church.

If Pope Francis resigns, it is because

a) His dreams for the Church cannot be accomplished
b) or he is anti-Pp, and the prophecy reveals something like the "true Pope returns" after the anti-Pp's power is relinquished, while there are developments elsewhere in the world that would clearly be prophetic fulfillment.
c) or he is the true Pope, and the prophecy reveals that the true Pope relinquishes power followed by the election of an anti-PP before the punishment, while there are developments elsewhere in the world that would clearly be prophetic fulfillment.
d) or he is the true Pope, and the prophecy reveals that the true final Pope of the chastisement is elected in the lat hour, after Pope Francis but before the great punishment, while there are developments elsewhere in the world at that moment that would clearly be prophetic fulfillment.

e) or he resigns due to insurmountable obstacles that makes his dreams for the Church an impossibility in these times.
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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:40 AM
a reply to: Phantomfire707

Phantom, your entering discussion makes me answer you, although I have decided not to answer anymore other people who would not know how the German aristocratic families are designated, or who will quarrel for the exact number of the lunar gravity while setting aside Apollo would never make it with the official level of technology we were told about, in anyway, from any point of view. I said that as a necessary background, and not to enter in the Lunar landing discussion that belongs to other threads, at the expense of changing the topic that is about the Popes' role in all that.
For the informed reader, the videos that I posted are not a secret. Vatican was deeply involved and still is.

Saying all that, again, let me point your attention to the fact that no one of us, not even the pope, not even Jesus himself, knows of the date of the Second Coming, or the year. If so, they including Jesus do not know of the date/year of the antichrist's arrival. All speculations remain as such, until the event is accomplished. It may take another centuries or millenia.

Having said that as a bottom line, it remains to determine the role of the Roman Church in it. Is she meant to cease her existence with this pope? Or is she meant to have a bigger role than todays, becoming truly "catholic" that from Greek means "Universal, of the entire Universe"?

It is well known fact that other patriarchs of the East bear that title as well. The Constantinople patriarch is called Ecumenical that more or less means the same. The Alexandria patriarch is called Pope. The Antioch patriarchs pretend to be successors of Peter, although they themselves belong to different Orthodox and Eastern churches. Rome is not alone., long before the protestant reformation.

What is the position of the Roman hierarchy on all that? Do they really believe this is the last pope when all prophecies such as Malachi and Fatima (and others) should be played out? Are we talking of fulfilment of a prophecy or of a playing out a prophecy, including End Times prophecies of the Bible? If so, the future of the Roman Church would be grim.

If the Roman Church decides to go beyond the current world crisis, and to become truly Universal, that today would have the meaning of Galactic, then she should do MORE. There is no dogma that forbids it.

You say the next pope may be antipope, or this one/previous ones could be found such. Who can say that? There could be 10, 100 more popes (called whatever) before the End times. There could be different popes (leaders) on different planets as well. And I invite ONCE MORE after so many posts on that topic, the Roman and other top clergy to take my words seriously, to take the topic seriously. Because it is they who will remain offside the moment we have the first public landings. It may happen any given day. And they know that very well. Therefore, because they are not stupid, I have to assume they have a SECRET plan B not announced to anyone outside their circles. Pity! It could be discussed widely after Year 2000 and the majority of people could be convinced that Jesus didn't forbid flying saucers. One of them shone upon Bethlehem stable.

posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:54 AM
a reply to: ketsuko

Every prophecy could be POSTPONED even if 100% true. As we see Daniel's End Time prophecy has been postponed with nearly 2000 years (and please the people who want to quarrel for exact numbers, find a better place to do it). 1980+ years after Jesus' ascension, if we take the year 4BC as his birth year, it could be the year 7BC, there is no unified position of christian scientists on it. Anyway. Daniel has been delayed in the last portion for millenia. That comes to say, every prophecy could. Not necessarily though. We may have the antichrist tomorrow if the rapture is today. Until this day we don't have them.

Moreover, Peter speaks of an event of fire that may be a NEW eschatological event. If you think for a while, Peter's event doesn't leave ground for the antichrist. It doesn't leave space for Jesus' Second Coming, and it doesn't leave space for the coming of the Heavenly Jerusalem as well. Not even the rapture is such, because it is followed by certain events. Peter's event is an event of fire destruction on earth (solar flares?) that may PRECEDE with millenia all end times sequences. If so, and I say IF, then we may be talking of a rescue from planet earth, not a rapture, in timing and means different from what the eschatological writers come to offer us. We may be talking of a SPACESHIP RESCUE froma dying planet (due to solar or other factors, not the least man made) that will precede with millenia the restoration of life on Earth and finally the real End times. This is a hypothesis, and I just share it with you guys. Please accept it as such. I know it might not be true, and that the End times may start overnight. But we don't know.

Does the pope want to play a good character, I believe so? And why should he play a character of end times at all if we are NOT in them yet? Holy scripture speaks of asteroid impacts beforehand and there are none of them by now.

posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:56 AM

originally posted by: 2012newstart
What is the position of the Roman hierarchy on all that?

Hopefully they disappear due to all their covering up and hiding pedophile priests.

Do they really believe this is the last pope when all prophecies such as Malachi and Fatima

Both just made up.

If so, the future of the Roman Church would be grim.

As it should.

posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:36 AM
The Roman Catholic Church may miss its historic chance to turn the page, and to be the first one to do it. Indeed, papal astronomers were the first ones to speak of ET, but you cannot have it done with one-two interviews every 10 years. Pope Francis spoke well of alien beings, but not as often and as convincing as he spoke of the environment for example, or for our personal sins.

The public contact (to be distinct by the secret contacts that have already occurred) coul dhappen any given day, as easy as depicted by that wallpaper of Moscow
It doesn't have to be in USA or the West, or it may be on multiple places most likely.

Do the cardinals believe they will be the first welcome onboard only because they will benevolent the aliens to kneel before them for blessing? Isn't it a little bit absurd for people who hided secrets in the entire 20th century instead of speaking them out? The moral shock of a Church who knew and hided the truth will be immense. Now we have the leaked diary of St John XXIII and he speaks of personal contacts with aliens, on one occasion landing of craft in Castel Gandolfo in the presence of cardinal Capovilla his secretary at the time. (now 98+ years old).

Those are things that circulate internet and are available for every thinking person who tries to find more about the Vatican involvement, or just by passers. Those are not things invented by me or any other frequent poster in forums. Those are things leaked for purpose. Including the interview of Bob Dean posted several posts before. You can't possibly have the name of Centro Inteligencia Vaticana involved in radio broadcast as the one created to gather every bit of info of Aliens visiting earth, and to say nothing of the sort happens and those clothed in red and purple know nothing. At least they have to deny it publicly, after it has been posted publicly online. No one denied it of course. Much more likely, it is they themselves who make those leaks to prepare the population for the inevitable truth. Only the pace is very slow. It is so slow it makes the release of that truth irrelevant at the proposed time of its release. Because the events will be over us and we the people will have the right to decide by ourselves. We were NOT helped by popes and cardinals, or other churches' clergy, in that process. Perhaps those of us who survive the current crisis, won't be grateful or even merciful towards shepherds who abandoned the flock when needed most. The buying time attitude that apparently is manifested by the current hierarchy, has to mind other goals. Such as: to let the first wave ET ships come and go, and to ally with the SECOND WAVE that might consist of opposite characters ET. (I will avoid further polarization talk, that is a work done by specialists such as Dr Michael Salla).

posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:48 AM
It is prophecy
That means it has to happen
It cannot not happen
I can't stop it no one can

I am waiting for the Pope to speak of the
End times as predicted by Nostradamus
But not many will listern to it

I do know that ten Russian soldiers will be sent to kill the Pope one of them will not
Want to do it

The Pope will be sent to his death by the Council because of his too good attitude

Communism has crept into the church
And has slowly corrupted it

Soon a great schism will affect the church
This has to do with the tonsured ones
They will be deprived of their vestments

The Pope will flee Rome and the British leader
Will howl all night when the Pope changes countries
He will be fleeing an invading Russian army
And will be captured by these men where
The town that has two rivers that meet
Lyon in France
He will be taken to the top of the hill and
Used as target practice
They will also bring followers to the Pope
And execute them if they refuse to denounce the church
Not sure about the aliens you speak of
But If I called you crazy I would be seen as a Marxist stooge
God says we should not call anyone a fool

Sit back and enjoy the ride
You can't stop this
no one can
God has it all sorted
Do not fear the horror you will witness
This is his will

The prophecy of Fatima and Nostradamus
Are so alike it s not funny

posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 05:10 AM
a reply to: piney

the Russian involvement, or the Muslim involvement? I don't contemplate a Russian march across Europe in our days though.

Thanks for the prophecy that you obviously make as well. No one knows who is "more right" if there is such a thing.

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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 05:19 AM
a reply to: 2012newstart

From what I know tampering with god's plan is big no no

Not to mention direct intervention to stop you

posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 06:12 AM
a reply to: VanGcouverite

We have more prophecies made centuries ago. One of them is Mother Shipton's that clearly speaks of a dragon sweeping the skies (Nibiru?)

There are a lot of prophecies referring to popes and also to kings in the last days. A French end times king is envisioned that will rule 50+ years before the antichrist, a very popular topic in the Middle Ages.

Well, I just don't know. It may all start tomorrow and we may have the end time at the age of our children's children some 60 years later.

What is illogical to me, or contrary to God's plan if you will, is the attempt of certain circles, not only but especially in the Vatican, to make up prophecy. It manifested in the changing texts of Fatima, as I already wrote about. It is a big sin, or is it? I am not pope to tell what is a sin, yes?

About Malachi, he included antipopes in his prophecies as well. If this pope is indeed the last one, it means the end of that hierarchical structure or at least the name "pope" (others have it too). Having in mind the Vatican people know many times more than we do, it is strange their lack of interest to move a finger and their buying time. As if they know in advance the day when the earth will be wiped out, and already have tickets for underground or above ground rescue. It is a shame we have to talk of Fatima 3 at the end of 2015 when that should be made crystal clear at the end of the Cold War. Seems the Red October is not the only thing the Vatican people are concerned about. Knowing more than us, they are also more RESPONSIBLE for the future generations. They today's children who survive, won't be mersiful to today's clergy and its historic heritage, even if God forgives them in the last hour.

posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 06:31 AM
I think Phantomfire did a great research on prophecies of the Great Monarch in one of his threads. I am not that good in that. But the fact there is a pending prophecy of a monarch with lifespan of 50+ years, makes nonsense the expectation of a soon to come Great Trib etc.

On the other side, the Muslims have their own eschatology although not valid for us, and their own expectations for end time scenarios. I am not going to talk what it is from their perspective (Tom Horn has a recent interview about that). We may try to connect them with the image of the final beast, or otherwise to match with our expectations of prophecy. Anyway, it is a number of events that can't happen in a year or two.

Let alone the Revelation 12 War in Heaven - Space (Latin word Cielo means both heaven and sky) that would take quite a time. Star Wars show that example. We can't have it in an instant. Many theorists even say it is already a done thing. How, if no one of us have seen it? Is it a prophecy to be done in dark? What purpose of it then? It is no more valid than a saga, if we assume it already happened (preterism) or it will happen in invisible way and no one could prove it. Isn't it strange what the Vatican newspaper said about the latest Star Wars, it wasn't evil enough, the characters of the evil personages.

The bottom line is we are not spectators we are actors at least on personal level where everyone has his/her free will to decide. And we must know the truth that should be said in 1960 (Fatima 3). Several popes misused their authority to hide events that may befall the earth pretty soon, taking into account the timing now should be much closer than back then. Whether it is 2017 or 2016 as Malachi Martin pointed out in an interview in 1997? There were so many date settings that all failed. This one may fail too. But we must know the truth. Let those RESPONSIBLE be not surprised if tomorrow the majority of people prefers another edition of the truth, edition that did not pass thru the censorship of those people...
d others. It may be shocking such a revelation but it is not something to be labelled the secret of the century, because it is not secret. I doubt Our Lady said any of these. These are made up substitutes that fill in the public space for lack of the real stuff.

It seems some people WANT and even help the prophecy to happen on Rome, for their own plans. They may want to restore the Church in Jerusalem, for example. Or anywhere.

Why otherwise the top Vatican men would popularize to mass media in the landmark year 2000 a version of Fatima that is not the true version, that envisions exactly that, destruction of the city and martyrdom of the (last) pope? We know it is not the true text, although it could be a private vision of Lucy (which one "Lucy", is the next question).

So where is the point to hide the original text of a prophecy that is APPROVED AS SUCH by the Catholic hierarchy, and the 2 little seers are beatified? The point is, if you hide something really important.

Will the papacy make it thru? I doubt the people who make it thru would ever return to that kind of church, if they have been lied so blatantly on their existential threat. Hope I am wrong and we hear confessions of texts in the next weeks.

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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 07:48 AM
a reply to: 2012newstart

You really need to go back and answer the questions in response to your posts -on the below linked thread; you' re doing the same thing here again, huge walls of text and much unanswered
1000's of years of generational and cultural belief systems shoved down the throats

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