Pope Francis should resign to cancel the prophetic doom on Rome

There are two pending prophecies: that of Malachi the prophecy of the popes, and that of Fatima. Malachi envisions destruction of Rome under the pontificate of the last pope that appears to be Francis in the list of popes.

Fatima has been discussed a lot. What we have as official text of 3rd secret, published in year 2000, is at best private vision of Lucia, but is NOT a part of the original trilogy given to the 3 children. It is a vision not wording of Our Lady as it should be. Volumes have been written on the topic by cardinals and priests deeply involved in Fatima-gate. The secret should have been released by year 1960 according to heaven's plan, and it is still not.

What could be potentially so dangerous, a taboo not to be spoken of for decades, in the information age, in the space and nuclear age? Just don't tell me it is the antichrist in the catholic ranks. Antichrist is spoken of since the time of apostle Paul.

The official version of Fatima includes not only destruction of Rome, as Malachi says, but also martyrdom shooting of a pope, cardinals, bishops, priests and laity on some mountain (or hill).

The idea that the Church should follow Jesus Christ on the Cross and be crucified (exterminated) is well established among certain fundamental circles, but it is NOT AN OFFICIAL DOCTRINE MUCH LESS A DOGMA. Instead, Jesus Christ gave His life for his Church, to save His Church. There is no commandment for the Church to have to be liquidated in the last times, in order to resurrect. This is something new idea never found in the Gospels. Instead, Jesus said on several occasions in the Gospels for the end times: "But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man. (Luke 21:36)"

If pope Francis doesn't find strength to continue the uneasy reform, stuck by reluctance of bishops to move a finger about it or for other reasons, taking into account his advanced age and not perfect health, he may simply resign for that reason. A deeper reason would be, in such a way he would cancel Malachi's prophecy that is not a dogma either. (the list ends with him) He will clear the way for a new Fatima interpretation and a new pope to try his chance in it.

There is a third reason as well. After starry show of "baptizing Martians" and hosting an exoplanetary science conference, seems the pope stops at the maximum length he could allow himself to go. Why didn't he use again the "beings of the universe" phrase from a homily, into his encyclical Laudato si? Why didn't he speak similar of those beings in the landmark speech in the UN? He stopped short of what was widely expected by him. Perhaps, he never meant to go any further than that, and that was a big advance too. Big, but not enough in today's fast changing time.

It is a final time to acknowledge what president Medvedev did on 12/12/12 that there are extraterrestrials among us and the first secret contact already occurred. There is transfer of technologies that allow the post-industrial revolution to be a fact. 3D printing and the rest are examples how hundreds of years advance come to earth in an instant. All of that is good.

But where is the good use for the Church, for the 1 bln + flock most of which lives in poverty?

I don't see any motivation among the clergy to go forth that way and to tell the people there are trillion stars in the Milky Way created by God, some of them may host our brothers, others may host even "angels" higher beings known from the Bible. That those brothers and sisters may come and help us with new tech to eliminate the hunger and curable disease. No one talks about that.

The Church(es) expect the science, the science expects the politicians, the politicians expect the ET to make the first move. And we all wait and wait, until the next Syrian crisis makes the expectations of the worst case scenario pretty realistic. Please understand, that ONLY ONE ATOMIC EXPLOSION in Rome, Washington, Paris, or Syria itself, will open the irreversible barrier before a very different future from the above rosy one.

Isn't it better a bold new start, coming exactly from the Vatican? Actually this is the only move that will make the Roman church continue to be the leading congregation of Christians tomorrow, even beyond the planet Earth.

If it is not done, the events will come upon us as a thief in the night. Young Enthusiasts will jump into ET ships and will make the difference regardless the outdated positions of clergy and parents. They will be the new humanity gathered and formed in 3 days or 30 years. Don't know how long is granted the chance of planet earth to survive peacefully and without planetary cataclysm. We have to act now. We don't have the luxury of time to lose another 3 years in waste disputes of marriage issues, already decided in sister-churches the Orthodox.

How about giving God's kingdom to a people that bear its fruits in due time? Isn't it applicable also to the competing Churches of Jesus Christ on Earth who all pretend for holiness and sticking to tradition? Think about that before making your judgment on my thoughts. They are just thoughts and suggestions that I share with you my friends. Much more is needed. Actions from officials are needed "to escape all those things".

The picture may change overnight or in 3 days of light. Then others will take decisions instead.

boy is he gonna get it..... I'll explain real quick


God says there's a man imitating Him on a gold throne here on Earth....

a reply to: 2012newstart

Pope Francis should resign to cancel the prophetic doom on Rome

No.
No he should not.

ETA: I considered elaborating on why for a second, but really, just no.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

Kazakhstan seems like a nice place to be, wonder who the Sun God will be, huff and puff..

originally posted by: Anansi
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Kazakhstan seems like a nice place to be, wonder who the Sun God will be, huff and puff..

Hmmm....so Borat will be the new Pope or the antichrist ?

WHether Kazakhstan will be a better place for this or next pope...I don't know. At least it will be more secure in terms of islamic terrorists.

The delayed secrets, including extraterrestrial presence on earth, transpire from everywhere. Here is a Show on leading Russian TV channel with the presence of Vladimir Putin in the audience (6:17) laughing at the jokes with extraterrestrials

Shall we have a Russian Disclosure with all following consequences for the world, instead a Vatican religious disclosure to explain things match with Bible? Perhaps both disclosures have their place. Let Christian N1 do not delay anymore. If he can't do it, let he allow someone else to do it instead. Too much time was lost after Year 2000 when all should be done, instead of that stupidity called loudly "Fatima 3rd secret". How can we believe anymore those guys with millions after retirement? It is just absurd.

Let Francis do something more. He did a lot, but it is not enough.
Or let he simply resign for health reasons and allow post-Malachi pope to be elected. Better not one among the current college of cardinals. Choose someone who have watched and enjoyed Star Wars and who does not think the Dark Side should be much more evil than shown on the movie... as Osservatore Romano wrote. Did the pope read the Vatican main newspaper? He said he didn't watch TV and didn't read internet. Still being the person most broadcast on every occasion. I like the man, but I expected much more in those almost 3 years papacy from the last pope in Malachi's list. Hope not the last Catholic Church leader. Because then we have to redefine what it means Catholic leader and Catholic (Universal, Cosmic) Church. Perhaps it is not exactly the meaning established in the Middle ages.

Antichrist-next pope? Wasn't it called Benedict - Palpatine, and Bergoglio - antichrist, too? Some people want the antichrist, but it is better to make the transition to post-earth society, peacefully, and to expect the end times with clear conscience of fulfilled service to our Lord Jesus , when He finally comes.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Pope.... yeah, not a fan.

Here is a good documentary.

Prophecies can be cancelled?
Like a dinner reservation?

I thought they were more of a done deal. "This is what's going to happen." Not very impressive if people can just cancel them.

a reply to: Phage

I suppose so, what with alternate timelines. 5th dimensional possibilities, with prophecies being manifestation attempts to solidify a specific timeline.

The whole temporal awareness/manifestation situation is a doozy.

Thank goodness for time travel.


/sarcasm off

Its too late now, Damascus is pretty much a ruinous heap ( www.news.com.au... ) we have the last Pope and now all we need is for all the armies of the World to meet in Meggido for it to be the last shin dig !. The Anti Christ has to be Obama ( Gay and a Muslim ) the 2 Witnesses are Israel and the Catholic Church both alive and well right now.

Just awaiting the "Wormwood" event and the big die off now.

In a nutshell, this is what your own bible says. If the prophecies come to pass, you have a real prophet/prophecy. If they do not, you have a false prophet/prophecy. Unless the prophecy came with stipulations, there is no changing it, if it came from the mouth of god.

So if you believe in these superstitions, you may want to go back to your own bible and read what it says about the rules of prophecy. Not what the church says it says. Hint: Book of Jeremiah.

originally posted by: Phage
Prophecies can be cancelled?
Like a dinner reservation?

I thought they were more of a done deal. "This is what's going to happen." Not very impressive if people can just cancel them.

When they do not come true they just cancel them, and the gullible that believe such false prophets just go "Oh, ok, here is more money"!

a reply to: 2012newstart

"But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man. (Luke 21:36)"

This verse does not suggest one may escape the events to come. It challenges one to avoid losing faith amidst or due to the events, so one may stand before the Son of Man.

The Pope cannot avoid the prophecy by resigning, ultimately losing faith in his role and duties due to fear of the actualization of the coming judgement. In doing so he would not be able to stand before the Son of Man. The Pope would not do this, if he is indeed righteous and faithful. If he is not righteous and faithful and resigns, he may in fact be the false prophet, or simply human and fallible.

If the prophecies are true, they've yet to be clear through focus, and therefore are not settled on the when and how, but still may be settled on the fact they will come to pass...if the prophecies are true.

The Pope may be the last Pope, but we will not know for certain who and when until after the fact. Everyone's faith will be tested, is being tested, and has been tested. There is still time, as Hell has not broken loose yet.

If it is true prophecy, it will happen no matter what the Pope does or does not do. Trying to avert it may only seek to bring it about.

If it is not true prophecy, then it will not happen no matter what is done to try to bring it about.

Did Malachy ever make any other prophecies and what was his track record with those?

If pope Francis doesn't find strength to continue the uneasy reform, stuck by reluctance of bishops to move a finger about it or for other reasons, taking into account his advanced age and not perfect health, he may simply resign for that reason. A deeper reason would be, in such a way he would cancel Malachi's prophecy that is not a dogma either. (the list ends with him) He will clear the way for a new Fatima interpretation and a new pope to try his chance in it.

Perhaps the pope dances to a different beat. Vision Of Pope Leo XIII....

The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasted to Our Lord:"I can destroy your Church."
The gentle voice of Our Lord:"You can? Then go ahead and do so."
Satan:"To do so, I need more time and more power."
Our Lord:"How much time? How much power?
Satan:"75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service."
Our Lord:"You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will."

a reply to: 2012newstart

Just a small point, but one that is pertinent in the assembly of paradigms from which the OP was developed:

3D printing is not extraterrestrial in origin. It is a natural outcome of computer controlled machinery and existing manufacturing methods.

Additive processes to construct objects have existed for millennia (consider a potter building up an urn by laying up thin cylinders of clay, or of a house built up of bricks). 3D printing is exactly this process on a smaller scale.

Perhaps if you had a bit more of an idea of the engineering involved in the processes, you would not have made such an assumption.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Did Malachy ever make any other prophecies and what was his track record with those?

He never made these!

Given the very accurate description of popes up to 1590 and lack of accuracy after that year, historians generally conclude that the alleged prophecies are a fabrication written shortly before they were published. The Roman Catholic Church also dismisses them as forgery.[1][2] The prophecies may have been created in an attempt to suggest that Cardinal Girolamo Simoncelli's bid for the papacy in the second conclave of 1590 was divinely ordained.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: 2012newstart
is at best private vision of Lucia, but is NOT a part of the original trilogy given to the 3 children.

So it was just made up later! Ok, that makes more sense.

There is transfer of technologies that allow the post-industrial revolution to be a fact. 3D printing and the rest are examples how hundreds of years advance come to earth in an instant

Except none of these technologies just appeared, there is a clearly followed logical progression. No "hundreds of years advance come to earth in an instant"!

Remember, all because you do not understand this technology nor could be bothered to research its progression does not mean it came from aliens!

I vote Borat for God!!! All hail The green bikini!

Ive stopped caring, when you make most of the puzzle, you burn it and hope no one else will ever see it.. Its all in your mind!

originally posted by: mazzroth
Its too late now, Damascus is pretty much a ruinous heap ( www.news.com.au... ) we have the last Pope and now all we need is for all the armies of the World to meet in Meggido for it to be the last shin dig !. The Anti Christ has to be Obama ( Gay and a Muslim ) the 2 Witnesses are Israel and the Catholic Church both alive and well right now.

Just awaiting the "Wormwood" event and the big die off now.

Your post was sarcasm, right? (If not, this is your our. Just say it was, and we'll all pretend to believe you.)

I mean, how ridiculous do you need to be to believe the Bible mentions the Antichrist as being Muslim, when Islam didn't even come into existence until centuries after the Bible? And if it mentioned the AntiChrist being gay, there would be millions of evangelicals pointing that out non-stop.

Any chance you care to share how you obtained secret knowledge of Obama being a gay Muslim, when nobody else seems to kow that?

You seem to feel almost all of the end-times have been fulfilled based on a fantasy version of what's really going on. I guess that's too be expected from someone who is anxiously awaiting Armageddon.