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Capitalism is not the only American way.

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: KEACHI

I'm not for pure socialism/communism, not at all. I'm for a government that's ran by the people, for the people.

Every adult in the nation voting on things would be the best thing I could think of. Some democracies even have the idea that kids should be able to fire teachers and the like if the kids don't feel they are being taught very well - It actually had some success. There's obviously going to be some drawbacks, like respect to minorities and such when it comes to voice of the majority, but right now.. It's the voice of a few men in washington.




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: BrianFlanders

Giving ALL the power to ALL 300 million people is not the same as giving all the power to the three branches of the government like we currently do.


Yeah. It's at least as bad. If not much worse. How would you like to be ruled by internet consensus? To have your entire life decided by the people who think in memes? That's basically what you get with rule by majority. Just because there's millions of them doesn't mean they're right.

Frankly, most people are stupid and don't give a damn about anyone unless they can identify with them somehow.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko




This is what a free market allows for and what capitalism at its best does. It lets innovators figure out how to supply what people want.


You forgot to mention some of the consumers who have been beaten over the head with advertisements so many times that are are rendered senseless. Evian is Naive backwards. There are Dog grooming products that are exactly the same as human grooming products but more expensive...and for dogs!

Capitalism works...but it has it's drawbacks such as monopolization and quarter wit impulse consumers.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: greencmp




It is a product of purposive action on the part of governments.


Governments dont act in a vacuum; they are beholden to special interest groups; the priveleged class, the monopolists, granting special concessions subsidies, patents, rights to protect the interest of the status quo.


From your very own Mises.org...
mises.org...



Not all economists were fooled by the "natural-monopoly" theory advocated by utility industry monopolists and their paid economic advisers. In 1940 economist Horace M. Gray, an assistant dean of the graduate school at the University of Illinois, surveyed the history of "the public utility concept," including the theory of "natural" monopoly. "During the 19th century," Gray observed, it was widely believed that "the public interest would be best promoted by grants of special privilege to private persons and to corporations" in many industries.[24] This included patents, subsidies, tariffs, land grants to the railroads, and monopoly franchises for "public" utilities. "The final result was monopoly, exploitation, and political corruption."[25] With regard to "public" utilities, Gray records that "between 1907 and 1938, the policy of state-created, state-protected monopoly became firmly established over a significant portion of the economy and became the keystone of modern public utility regulation."[26] From that time on, "the public utility status was to be the haven of refuge for all aspiring monopolists who found it too difficult, too costly, or too precarious to secure and maintain monopoly by private action alone.


Awesome, you get it!




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthropeAnyone can develop the skills, a lifestyle, and secure a future on his own accord.


Sure. Unless you're old, sick, handicapped, uneducated, out of luck or simply stupid or clumsy. Starting in the 1930s, America's relative poverty rates have consistently exceeded those of other wealthy nations. So, yeah, pull the wool over your own eyes once more, while proclaiming the biggest lie ever told: "Anyone can [..] secure a future on his own accord."



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Yeah. It's at least as bad. If not much worse.

It's decentralized power. It can't be worse.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Edumakated

Where's the proof that Americas economy is better than switzerland?


Um, the US is the largest economy in the world at 18 trillion in GDP. Switzerland is like 700 billion. Switzerland is also barely the size of NYC, so to compare it to the entire US economy is a bit of a stretch. It is also ironic you pick Switzerland which is very capitalistic and given a large part of their economy is banking which is the very antithesis of progessives.

While these small European countries with some socialist tendencies look good on paper, you can't necessarily extrapolate their success to the US. They have smaller homogenous populations with limited immigration and less individualistic cultures. They also depend on the US to play the world's police force so they don't need nearly as much military expenditures.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: LesMisanthropeAnyone can develop the skills, a lifestyle, and secure a future on his own accord.


Sure. Unless you're old, sick, handicapped, uneducated, out of luck or simply stupid or clumsy. Starting in the 1930s, America's relative poverty rates have consistently exceeded those of other wealthy nations. So, yeah, pull the wool over your own eyes once more, while proclaiming the biggest lie ever told: "Anyone can [..] secure a future on his own accord."


America's "poor" live better than many in the middle and upper classes of some nations. Our poor are in the world's 1%. Being poor in America means you still have a car, flat screen TV, decent sized apartment, cell phone, public schooling, air conditioning, Jordan tennis shoes, clothing, etc.

Our poor compared to the rest of the world is a joke. Poor is living in a favela in Brazil. Or working to sugar cane fields in Dominican Republic.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: ForteanOrg




Sure. Unless you're old, sick, handicapped, uneducated, out of luck or simply stupid or clumsy. Starting in the 1930s, America's relative poverty rates have consistently exceeded those of other wealthy nations. So, yeah, pull the wool over your own eyes once more, while proclaiming the biggest lie ever told: "Anyone can [..] secure a future on his own accord."


You hold a poor view of people if you believe them to be unable to achieve self-sufficiency due to the hurdles life throws at them. Even worse, you hold a poor view of people if you believe bureaucracy is the answer.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: glend

Do you have a link for those stats?

Fascinating info. Thanks for sharing it.


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Before the Libyan invasion I was communicating with a black African Libyan via youtube and asked him about Gaddafi and he replied he was very much loved by all Libyans. Gaddafi told the Black African people that it was really their land and he would make sure that they were looked after. He also promised that all people would have a home before he purchased his mother a home and kept that promise. I am not sure if he was as good as all the stories Ive heard but it certainly makes one think, if he was a terrorist, then what does that make our leaders!

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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Yeah. It's at least as bad. If not much worse.

It's decentralized power. It can't be worse.


Why not? Lynch mobs were all about decentralized power.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Why not? Lynch mobs were all about decentralized power.

Because we are not talking about lynch mobs.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: freakwars
a reply to: M5xaz

to all the rest of you:

please read some Marx. You might learn that socialism isn't what the capitalists taught you to think it is.



Marx ? Seriously ?

to all the rest of you:

Read a history book. Pay particular attention to the vast open air prisons/Gulags created by Marxists, such as the East Block and North Korea.

Read about Stalin and the tens of million of his own countrymen he killed.

Marxism - when 100 + years of mass murder and human misery is just not enough....
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: deadlyhope


That we could certainly emulate, even do better than other countries when considering adopting aspects of socialism.

We already do, most people are just in denial about it. Modern cities are the biggest social engineering projects on a mega scale.

Most people who decry socialism, can't live without programs like public works, public schools, Public transit, mail delivery, police, fire…

So cry freedom and don't call the fire department the next time your house catches fire. When your car breaks down from hitting all the potholes the road workers didn't fix, you'll have to walk to work instead of taking the bus. Your kids will stay home because you can't afford privatized schools. And the cops? Forget about 911, theres no policing available.

Oh, and forget about applying for unemployment or welfare, those offices are closed.


Schools, public works, police and fire services are NOT a product of socialism.

The first organized fire brigade was under Augustus in Rome, ~2000 years before Engels or Marx were even born.

Did you miss the train. Rome was national socialist, too. So were the Nazis. So is the US. Rome had cities, too. And a senate, stadiums, capitol domes, fluted pillars and yes, social welfare.

"Communism" is the term applied to the "evil" Soviet style of government. They called themselves the USSR, United Soviet Socialist Republics. They weren't republic-ans.

News flash, neither is the US today.

Mega condensed population centers called cities are global. The international banks and corporations run things now. Its all socialist , but like I said earlier some people are propagandized to see differences where there are none.


I think what you are looking for is a dictionary:

so·cial·ism (sō′shə-lĭz′əm)
n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

Neither in Rome nor in the US are the ``means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government`` nor were /are they in a stage between capitalism and communism.

You are the one making up propaganda for an ideology that has inflicted millions with death and misery, and trying to attribute to socialism the common sense present in ordinary society and institutions.

Google `charity` and `hospital` to name but two. Their origins are from anything but socialism.
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posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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You ever notice all socialist ideas require taking from others by force? If their ideas were any good, you wouldn't need tyranny to implement.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
You ever notice all socialist ideas require taking from others by force? If their ideas were any good, you wouldn't need tyranny to implement.

You ever notice that all governments require taking from others by force?



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: freakwars
a reply to: M5xaz

to all the rest of you:

please read some Marx. You might learn that socialism isn't what the capitalists taught you to think it is.



Marx ? Seriously ?

to all the rest of you:

Read a history book. Pay particular attention to the vast open air prisons/Gulags created by Marxists, such as the East Block and North Korea.

Read about Stalin and the tens of million of his own countrymen he killed.

Marxism - when 100 + years of mass murder and human misery is just not enough....


Again, if you actually bothered to learn something about Marxism, you might learn that it's not what the capitalists tell you it is.



posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
You ever notice all socialist ideas require taking from others by force? If their ideas were any good, you wouldn't need tyranny to implement.




originally posted by: daskakik

You ever notice that all governments require taking from others by force?


That's why the majority of governments are Left Wing.

All Authoritarianism is Left Wing.

Nothing else "works" does it.




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: freakwars

Marxism has been a total failure.

It's a banker's dream.




posted on Dec, 28 2015 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: freakwars

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: freakwars
a reply to: M5xaz

to all the rest of you:

please read some Marx. You might learn that socialism isn't what the capitalists taught you to think it is.



Marx ? Seriously ?

to all the rest of you:

Read a history book. Pay particular attention to the vast open air prisons/Gulags created by Marxists, such as the East Block and North Korea.

Read about Stalin and the tens of million of his own countrymen he killed.

Marxism - when 100 + years of mass murder and human misery is just not enough....


Again, if you actually bothered to learn something about Marxism, you might learn that it's not what the capitalists tell you it is.


Again if you actually bothered to read HISTORY, you might learn that your Marxist utopia has failed EVERYWHERE it has been tried, and with homicidal results



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