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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


I must admit my comments were laced with /sarcasm so you might not have picked up my view.
Its simple,

penis=male therefore use the male bathroom.
vagina=female therefore use the female bathroom.
both= hermaphrodite (rare and i think we'll get along as a species just fine if we let that one play out as they choose how they live their lives). i.e. no toilet strategy required.

Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.

I know my fairly simple views are amazingly crazy...

... In fact I am starting to empathise with the species dysphoria crowd so might change my mind and go for the non human toilet strategy for public places.
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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.


I dont accept we 'know' that 'made that way' is real. For every piece of scientific evidence to suggest that nature defines sexuality, I could find one that says it's nurture. My own view is it's probaly a mix of both and i am not willing to speculate on the mix. Thats another thread , probably.

Society doesn't have to get used to anything. It can reject stupid ideas.

Lasting change comes about through agreement and ultimately the majority will decide how society adapts to cultural and natural changes . If the majority decides that transgender bathrooms should become a part of society, or that there are no differences in the sexes meaning we can all just mix as equals in all respects then that is what will happen. If the majority decide these are stupid ideas then they will be rejected.

My view is that in years to come these ideas will be looked upon as stupid. If i am wrong then I will just use my new non-binary or species dysphoria bathroom and be happy - or if it takes too long for those changes then I will just put on a dress when I go to the loo and eye up some ladies. /sarcasm.

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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

I hate to say this, UKTruth, but to equate a child suffering with gender dysphoria that only wants to be thought of and treated like the other kids with you putting on a dress to go perv on women in a bathroom and to species dysphoria clearly shows you have a very poor or little to no understanding of this whole thing.

You are trying to reduce a difficult and complicated multi-faceted issue into simplistic black and white boxes and that strategy doesn't work very well today and will work even less effectively down the road. Change is hard. Learning about and understanding the issues and facts about transgender people is a way to lessen the perceived blow to rigid societal norms and antiquated cultural expectations. One can remain locked in their perceptions, married to their dogma, religion or politics and feel the world is spiraling away out of control because things aren't like they were back in the "good old days" or they can open their eyes and widen their knowledge and not get left behind as our societies and cultures evolve. Which do you want to be?



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.


Lasting change comes about through agreement and ultimately the majority will decide how society adapts to cultural and natural changes . If the majority decides that transgender bathrooms should become a part of society, or that there are no differences in the sexes meaning we can all just mix as equals in all respects then that is what will happen. If the majority decide these are stupid ideas then they will be rejected.



We (USA) are a Republic, not a Democracy. By intent that minorities have same rights as majority.

I can tell you in my near 70 years Force is required for change. I've seen it many times.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: Freija
a reply to: UKTruth

I hate to say this, UKTruth, but to equate a child suffering with gender dysphoria that only wants to be thought of and treated like the other kids with you putting on a dress to go perv on women in a bathroom and to species dysphoria clearly shows you have a very poor or little to no understanding of this whole thing.

You are trying to reduce a difficult and complicated multi-faceted issue into simplistic black and white boxes and that strategy doesn't work very well today and will work even less effectively down the road. Change is hard. Learning about and understanding the issues and facts about transgender people is a way to lessen the perceived blow to rigid societal norms and antiquated cultural expectations. One can remain locked in their perceptions, married to their dogma, religion or politics and feel the world is spiraling away out of control because things aren't like they were back in the "good old days" or they can open their eyes and widen their knowledge and not get left behind as our societies and cultures evolve. Which do you want to be?



The only problem is I did not equate those two things - you did with your response. Don't project your inaccurate interpretations upon my character.

I do not believe that transgenders put on dresses to perv on women. I have every respect for a transgenders right to be who they want to be without prejudice and in some circumstances have sympathy also.

Whilst my final point was sarcastic it does emphasise the kind of chaos that could be created by allowing transgenders to use female bathrooms. For some guys, particular the young, drunk college types, that is exactly what they WOULD do.

In terms of moving with the times, I have no inclination and dont think I ever will to find it acceptable for a male to use a female bathroom. If the world does change to allow that, then all I will do is accept it and not really give it much thought. There are more important considerations to deal with. I also dont think many transgenders really care that much about whether they can use a female toilets in public areas. Has anyone actually asked enough transgenders to know the answer that question?
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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Thanks for your reply, UKTruth.

I'm not offering any sort of rebuttal for your last comments. Anyone with any knowledge or experience with this sort of thing can clearly see where you're coming from so none is required.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.


Lasting change comes about through agreement and ultimately the majority will decide how society adapts to cultural and natural changes . If the majority decides that transgender bathrooms should become a part of society, or that there are no differences in the sexes meaning we can all just mix as equals in all respects then that is what will happen. If the majority decide these are stupid ideas then they will be rejected.



We (USA) are a Republic, not a Democracy. By intent that minorities have same rights as majority.

I can tell you in my near 70 years Force is required for change. I've seen it many times.



The Constitution of your Republic (which is a form of democracy) does indeed protect individual rights, as laid out in said constitution. It does not grant citizens the right to do whatever they want and cry individual liberty when it suits. It does not grant individuals the right to impinge on the rights of others just because it suits.

All change, beyind violent change, comes when the majority agrees - the fight is getting to that majority.
edit on 29/12/2015 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)

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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.


Lasting change comes about through agreement and ultimately the majority will decide how society adapts to cultural and natural changes . If the majority decides that transgender bathrooms should become a part of society, or that there are no differences in the sexes meaning we can all just mix as equals in all respects then that is what will happen. If the majority decide these are stupid ideas then they will be rejected.



We (USA) are a Republic, not a Democracy. By intent that minorities have same rights as majority.

I can tell you in my near 70 years Force is required for change. I've seen it many times.



The Constitution of your Repblic (which is a form of democracy) does indeed protect individual rights, as laid out in said constitution. It does not grant citizens the right to do whatever they want and cry individual liberty when it suits. It does not grant individuals the right to impinge on the rights of others just because it suits.

All change comes when the majority agrees - the fight is getting to that majority.


Well, you're wrong.

The Constitution grants equal treatment, even to the individual. And that is why Transgenders are winning the bathroom fight.

Change comes when law says it does.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.


Lasting change comes about through agreement and ultimately the majority will decide how society adapts to cultural and natural changes . If the majority decides that transgender bathrooms should become a part of society, or that there are no differences in the sexes meaning we can all just mix as equals in all respects then that is what will happen. If the majority decide these are stupid ideas then they will be rejected.



We (USA) are a Republic, not a Democracy. By intent that minorities have same rights as majority.

I can tell you in my near 70 years Force is required for change. I've seen it many times.



The Constitution of your Repblic (which is a form of democracy) does indeed protect individual rights, as laid out in said constitution. It does not grant citizens the right to do whatever they want and cry individual liberty when it suits. It does not grant individuals the right to impinge on the rights of others just because it suits.

All change comes when the majority agrees - the fight is getting to that majority.


Well, you're wrong.

The Constitution grants equal treatment, even to the individual. And that is why Transgenders are winning the bathroom fight.

Change comes when law says it does.


Equal, yes. Greater, no. Back to the OP, what about the rights of the 6 young girls who are made to feel uncomfortable. You are badly mistaken about your rights if you think your individual rights supercede others'. America is not a country that panders to spoiled brats. I can see that there is a move that way, with stupid concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions, but it will be reversed before the nonsense goes too far.

edit on 29/12/2015 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)

edit on 29/12/2015 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.


Lasting change comes about through agreement and ultimately the majority will decide how society adapts to cultural and natural changes . If the majority decides that transgender bathrooms should become a part of society, or that there are no differences in the sexes meaning we can all just mix as equals in all respects then that is what will happen. If the majority decide these are stupid ideas then they will be rejected.



We (USA) are a Republic, not a Democracy. By intent that minorities have same rights as majority.

I can tell you in my near 70 years Force is required for change. I've seen it many times.



The Constitution of your Repblic (which is a form of democracy) does indeed protect individual rights, as laid out in said constitution. It does not grant citizens the right to do whatever they want and cry individual liberty when it suits. It does not grant individuals the right to impinge on the rights of others just because it suits.

All change comes when the majority agrees - the fight is getting to that majority.


Well, you're wrong.

The Constitution grants equal treatment, even to the individual. And that is why Transgenders are winning the bathroom fight.

Change comes when law says it does.


Equal, yes. Greater, no. Back to the OP, what about the rights of the 6 young girls who are made to feel uncomfortable. You are badly mistaken about your rights if you think your individual rights supercede others'. America is not a country that panders to spoiled brats. I can see that there is a move that way, with stupid concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions, but it will be reversed before the nonsense goes too far.


Is not greater, it's equal.

Same as bathrooms had, by law, to be accessible for the handicap.

The majority of non-handicap does not supersede equal rights/treatment for handicap.

Ick factor does not qualify as a legal argument.


edit on 29-12-2015 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth



For some guys, particular the young, drunk college types, that is exactly what they WOULD do.

That is already illegal and as some people have pointed out that will not stop the perverts. Girls are not stupid and they will be wise to their ways.

It ain't like Porky's



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: UKTruth



For some guys, particular the young, drunk college types, that is exactly what they WOULD do.

That is already illegal and as some people have pointed out that will not stop the perverts. Girls are not stupid and they will be wise to their ways.

It ain't like Porky's


Except the pervets in the new proposed crazy world will not be breaking the law.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.


Lasting change comes about through agreement and ultimately the majority will decide how society adapts to cultural and natural changes . If the majority decides that transgender bathrooms should become a part of society, or that there are no differences in the sexes meaning we can all just mix as equals in all respects then that is what will happen. If the majority decide these are stupid ideas then they will be rejected.



We (USA) are a Republic, not a Democracy. By intent that minorities have same rights as majority.

I can tell you in my near 70 years Force is required for change. I've seen it many times.



The Constitution of your Repblic (which is a form of democracy) does indeed protect individual rights, as laid out in said constitution. It does not grant citizens the right to do whatever they want and cry individual liberty when it suits. It does not grant individuals the right to impinge on the rights of others just because it suits.

All change comes when the majority agrees - the fight is getting to that majority.


Well, you're wrong.

The Constitution grants equal treatment, even to the individual. And that is why Transgenders are winning the bathroom fight.

Change comes when law says it does.


Equal, yes. Greater, no. Back to the OP, what about the rights of the 6 young girls who are made to feel uncomfortable. You are badly mistaken about your rights if you think your individual rights supercede others'. America is not a country that panders to spoiled brats. I can see that there is a move that way, with stupid concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions, but it will be reversed before the nonsense goes too far.


Is not greater, it's equal.

Same as bathrooms had, by law, to be accessible for the handicap.

The majority of non-handicap does not supersede equal rights/treatment for handicap.

Ick factor does not qualify as a legal argument.



Transgenders are not handicapped.
Morally the majority of people find it perfectly acceptible for a handicapped person to have a more easily accessible lavatory.
edit on 29/12/2015 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

I hope you do not imply that transgender people are perverts.

One can not just put on a dress and just waltz in girl's locker room. It doesn't work that way.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: UKTruth

I hope you do not imply that transgender people are perverts.

One can not just put on a dress and just waltz in girl's locker room. It doesn't work that way.


Nope, i wasnt.

So let me get this straight on your second point - are you saying that you have to be a convincing female looking transgender then to go in a female toilet in this new world. The hairy legged, bearded guy in a dress doesnt count?
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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

You seem to think that any guy can just one day out of blue put on a dress and just walk in. Or maybe some guys will take lengths to be convincing just to get in.

Transgenderism is a real phenomenon and takes time for recognition. Transgender kids have been around others and the kids in schools have noticed the persistent gender identification and behaviors that will not change. That is OVER time, not in a short time.

I will let others answer your questions as I am not qualified.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: UKTruth

You seem to think that any guy can just one day out of blue put on a dress and just walk in. Or maybe some guys will take lengths to be convincing just to get in.

Transgenderism is a real phenomenon and takes time for recognition. Transgender kids have been around others and the kids in schools have noticed the persistent gender identification and behaviors that will not change. That is OVER time, not in a short time.

I will let others answer your questions as I am not qualified.


What you seem to be saying is that you have to be a qualified transgender to go into a female bathroom in this future. How will the qualification work? It is important to understand practicalities otherwise it comes across that it has not been thought through and is just a soap box.

The whole basis of the argument seems to centre around individual liberty. How can that argument hold up if a transgender has to prove they are one? Are we talking about ID cards or something? Or a third party vouching for them? What if a transgender is on the road and pops into a local rest stop and knows no-one there? Transgenders range from very feminine looking individuals where you couldnt tell they were a man to men who just like to wear dresses but still look like men. Is one more of a transgender than the other just because they might be more feminine looking? How exactly are you going to seperate the pervert in a dress from the real transgender (whether that real transgender is convincing as a woman or not) ? Are cops going to check every complaint? Are women going to ask for proof if they spot a guy in their bathroom?

It's fine getting behind a broad principal, though I disagree with this one, but it does not appear that this has been properly thought through in the level of detail that is needed.

The only workable solution would appear to me to be a 3rd bathroom, but who is going to pay for that? Every location has to have another toilet? Can small bsuinesses afford remodelling costs? Maybe the burden is on the tax payer? Then what happens when some other group wants their own toilet?
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posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
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Hermaphrodites are genetically tested to show the dominant gene, the doctors just do not go around cutting organs for the heck if it.

More often than not one organ is fully formed while the other one is not.

In rare cases the two organs could be functional but like I said is rare.


What percentage of babies born in the US are hermaphrodites having sexual characteristics of both male and female?

In general: 0.033% to 0.05% of babies are born hermaphrodites.

While researching this question I was seeing numbers from .01% to 1% depending on classification from a true hermaphrodite where it is impossible to say which side they are closer to people who have characteristics of both (but can pass as one).


www.answers.com...





Oh come now we both know Doctors dont always follow procedures and Answers is not a reputable way to find information. its liek Wikipedia...useful but not when you want the actual truth.

And the genetic testing will not always show what actually pops out. Seem to remember a guy who wa s a genetic girl before and th e parents expected a girl. Point is mistakes ar e made mor e often than not. Doctors kill mor e people a year than cars if i remember correctly.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth
What about those people who consider themselves neither male nor female? Should we have a bathroom for them too?


Do you have a source article on these people? And their personal views on the situation?

Just curious.


Now, whether they want their own toilets or not I don't know, but one of them might do and I do not think we have asked them all. Better to be safe than sorry.


But, that is the question in this thread.

We already know there is a complexity and variety in the creation of a living being.


Transgenders have every right to consider themselves the opposite sex, they just don't have the right to tell everyone else how to think, and they don't have the right to make young people of the opposite sex feel uncomfortable by using their bathroom whilst they are in a state of undress in there.


Your ideas don't sound crazy, but we are an evolving species.

It was once believed seizures were being pocessed by the Devil. We evolved by science, knowledge, and understanding.

Same with homosexuality. Today we know its inherent. There is enough knowledge and scientific indicators to know "made that way" is real, even if we don't have exact answers. There is a lot of things science doesn't have exact answers for.

Transgender is real too. But, it's fairly new in coming out of the closet. The closet door is now ooen. And it's going to stay open. Which means Transgenders are now openly part of everyday society and situations like bathrooms has to be solved.

Society will just have to get used to it.


Lasting change comes about through agreement and ultimately the majority will decide how society adapts to cultural and natural changes . If the majority decides that transgender bathrooms should become a part of society, or that there are no differences in the sexes meaning we can all just mix as equals in all respects then that is what will happen. If the majority decide these are stupid ideas then they will be rejected.



We (USA) are a Republic, not a Democracy. By intent that minorities have same rights as majority.

I can tell you in my near 70 years Force is required for change. I've seen it many times.



The Constitution of your Repblic (which is a form of democracy) does indeed protect individual rights, as laid out in said constitution. It does not grant citizens the right to do whatever they want and cry individual liberty when it suits. It does not grant individuals the right to impinge on the rights of others just because it suits.

All change comes when the majority agrees - the fight is getting to that majority.


Well, you're wrong.

The Constitution grants equal treatment, even to the individual. And that is why Transgenders are winning the bathroom fight.

Change comes when law says it does.


Equal, yes. Greater, no. Back to the OP, what about the rights of the 6 young girls who are made to feel uncomfortable. You are badly mistaken about your rights if you think your individual rights supercede others'. America is not a country that panders to spoiled brats. I can see that there is a move that way, with stupid concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions, but it will be reversed before the nonsense goes too far.


Is not greater, it's equal.

Same as bathrooms had, by law, to be accessible for the handicap.

The majority of non-handicap does not supersede equal rights/treatment for handicap.

Ick factor does not qualify as a legal argument.



Transgenders are not handicapped.
Morally the majority of people find it perfectly acceptible for a handicapped person to have a more easily accessible lavatory.


Yeah, I know -- it seems to be the generic response -- "handicap not the same thing".

But, when it comes to Equal Treatment, it is exactly the same thing.

How do I know? Because my mom was handicapped before the Disability Act that FORCED Equal Treatment.

If you think people accept and treat the disabled equally out of the kindness of their heart --- think again.



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