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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Revolution9
One could almost say that the state education system is using this psychologically to collectivise students and exercise so great a power to even have them disrobing publically and exposing themselves willingly just because the state says it is normal behaviour. It is not normal behaviour.
Taking a break in between tasks. I swore I was just going to be a lurker today, so much for that promise. Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, by the way.
First I have to disagree that it is not natural behavior to go naked in public. Ask any child, "before", they were forcefully prevented from running around in the raw, what feels natural; clothes or no clothes?
I am not an official nudist, but I live in the woods, and I can tell you, nothing feels as good or as natural as taking a God shower and air drying, as you walk around nude outside. That is why many people enjoy the guilty pleasure of skinny dipping, and many walk around their homes with as few clothes as they can get away with.
Wearing clothes is a societal expectation in our countries. There are tribes were clothing is an option. I am almost as old as dirt. We had gym classes and the girls undressed, showered, and re-dressed among each other and it was not because the State made it mandatory, and there were no spectators filing in to watch a bunch of skinny, naked girls, or boys in the locker rooms.
I am sorry you had an unfortunate experience, but some of the responsibility of that event has to fall on your shoulders as well. I am sure it was more than a shock for the owner to find a naked intruder on his vessel when he returned. What if the person coming back to the boat was his young daughter?
I am sure if you can step back from the situation a bit and look at it from the side of the owner of the vessel, you can see why he was so angry. You know that you meant no harm, and was just taking advantage of what you thought was an opportunity. I am sure being an intruder on his boat was a problem in itself, being naked just compounded the problem. The owner didn't know you or your intentions, so some may say the owner showed much restraint.
Children and nudity is quite natural. I think it says a lot about us as a society when children are being taught that nudity is perverse, and that they have to fear being seen in the body they were born in. It says a lot and it is a little more than disturbing.
Again, may your holidays bring you joy.
originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: Gryphon66
I'm all in favor of this.
Yet, at the same time, I find out desperate clutching at threads to cover the sin of our bodies pathetic.
I find it sad that children, adults, and teenagers are anything but comfortable in their own skin...and that thanks to religious doctrination, whether we adhere to that thought process or not (just like circumcision), we are still saddled with the practice.
Flesh.....we all have it. Silly that it's so damned taboo.
originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: ketsuko
Where you blame society, I see it as human nature. Something that is both instinctual and hormonal.
We are far too busy anthropomorphizing ourselves into some holy, angelic creature...rather than the base animals that we are at our core.
So bang away on your "it's societies fault" drums...
I thoroughly disagree.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: TrueBrit
That's about as close to a happy medium as we're going to find.
Though getting that into a budget for school construction is going to be dicey, to say the least...though I might be selling the voter short on this issue.