Students protest transgender invasion of privacy

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Phage

If they have no right to privacy, then anyone can walk into the room. They have no right in a school locker room.

It'll be interesting to explore case studies about privacy rights in high school locker rooms.

Tell all the boys in all the high schools they can now walk into the girl's locker rooms and have a seat. The girls have no right to privacy, like you said.

a reply to: 123143

Actually, no. Having a penis doesn't make you biologically male outside of typical observation. Having one X and one Y chromosome makes you male.

You really aren't in a position to talk. Maybe I am brainwashed (somehow I managed to brainwash myself by personally interacting with homosexual and transgender people with no prior bias, I guess?).

But how do you know any better?

At most, we both have opinions. I believe mine is correct. You, yours. But don't you dare try to say that I'm brainwashed before you look in the mirror and say "Well, maybe I am too. Maybe we're all brainwashed."

Really? Society is crumbling because we're trying to be accepting of people who are different rather than crucifying them for their mere existence? It's not because of corporations and corrupt politicians ruining everything?
Guess I missed the memo.

a reply to: DBCowboy

They get to choose their locker room.

How does using the communal locker room which matches more closely your gender identity grant a greater level of privacy?

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
We live in a world full of prudes, people are raised and shamed on there body from such a young age.

Its funny to see the oh my gosh the pc police is evil crying over a change room.

Actually it's the PC Police saying the girls have to get over a boy changing in their locker room.

If a man flashed these girls, the police would find and arrest him. If a man or woman showed these girls a porno magazine, the police would arrest him or her.

But since a same-aged boy can go in and flash his penis, the girls have to grin and bear it.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Tell all the boys in all the high schools they can now walk into the girl's locker rooms and have a seat.

Has anyone suggested this?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

They get to choose their locker room.

How does using the communal locker room which matches more closely your gender identity grant a greater level of privacy?

Great point.

There is no such thing as privacy in that situation.

a reply to: Phage

This really isn't a discussion about privacy. If it was, we'd be talking about how absurd it is that children are forced to change in front of other children, same sex or otherwise, and that privacy is actually kind of terrible when it comes to high school locker rooms.

What this is actually a discussion about, is how some people don't like other people being different to them, and they think it's really really bad and shouldn't happen ever. Also, cooties, probably. I mean, ewww!
Oh, and their weird assumptions that all transgender people are really just perverted boys who want to stick their dick in teenage girl's faces.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

But since a same-aged boy can go in and flash his penis, the girls have to grin and bear it.

You think that this person is going to be flashing the girls?

Pretty sure that if that occurs it will not be tolerated any more than a boy flashing on the football field would.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: 123143

It's an emotional issue because it must be an emotional issue, surely you understand that? Logically speaking, there doesn't need to be a distinction between the male and female locker rooms to begin with. It's asinine and arbitrary, there's no actual reason for it besides a frayed version of 'privacy'. (And logically speaking, privacy is meaningless as well.)

You appear to believe in the "Penises here, vaginas here" approach, but the issue with it is that it's nowhere near so black and white.



Does this person belong in the boy's locker room? Serious question. Which room do they go in?

We could actually keep the separation-by-sex-organ if we disassociated them from gender identity, but like that's ever going to happen in this society.

It *IS* an emotional issue. You are making it an emotional issue right now. You are showing us picture and trying to appeal to our emotions.

If this is a guy, he will test male by his DNA. His bone structure will be male. Under the shower when all the make-up washes off, he'll look male. If he still has a penis, he needs to keep it in the boy's room or go to a private room.

a reply to: Umvericomb92

Poe?
I'm thinking Poe. Have a star!

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

In response, I am following the laws of nature. You are not.

When I speak of brainwashing I refer to people who blindly accept what happens in society whether or not it is appropriate.

The Romans in the last days of their Empire put the stamp of indifference on the sexual practices of their fellow citizens. Anything and anyone was fair game. It was a free-for-all.

Do you really think it's a good idea to blur the lines as is happening now? Wouldn't it be more dignified to say that as a person in transition I would like separate accommodations?

Don't you think the heterosexual girls deserve equal respect in their bathrooms and locker rooms?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: 123143

You don't think those adolescent girls are uncomfortable?

If you had been paying attention instead of just reacting, you would have noticed that I said that I can understand them being uncomfortable. Several times.

Do you think that some of them may be uncomfortable undressing in front of other girls? Some of whom are likely to be lesbians?

If there is no right to not feel uncomfortable, then the next step is to minimize the discomfort.

1 boy who thinks he is a girl being uncomfortable undressing in front of other boys is less than 10 girls who are uncomfortable seeing a boy undress in front of them.

And even less discomfort is to have this boy who thinks he is a girl undress in a separate room.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Please go and reread the first four words of my post. I literally say "It's an emotional issue"

What about her breasts, though? I guess those don't "count" as sex-associated body parts.

Still, what you have managed to do is convinced me that no matter what I say or do, I will not convince you. Ignorance, truly, as they say, is bliss.

a reply to: 123143

Don't you think the heterosexual girls deserve equal respect in their bathrooms and locker rooms?

Yup. How are they losing any respect?
I don't don't suppose there were any lesbians allowed in the locker room before all this came about, were there?

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Abysha

*clap* *clap* *clap*

This is the real issue that a lot of people seem to be ignoring. Forcing the communal shower time to begin with is a terrible and honestly sort of twisted thing. I think being uncomfortable about having transgender people there is only natural, an understandable thing. Change is uncomfortable, as a species we like to take the easy path, but a lot of people's reactions to the situation are otherwise disgusting. They seem to be viewing the children as nothing more than animals or sub-human.

No, we recognize them as emotionally immature and confused by their natural and new hormonal changes and as a society have found that separate changing rooms are a way to minimize the confusion and self-image issues.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

They get to choose their locker room.

How does using the communal locker room which matches more closely your gender identity grant a greater level of privacy?

Before all of this, the transgendered individual would have been assigned to the locker room that matched genitalia.

The transgendered felt uncomfortable.

So their rights to privacy were acknowledged and respected.

Yet, when the teenaged girls voiced complaints. . . . . . suddenly, they have no expectation to rights.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

And even less discomfort is to have this boy who thinks he is a girl undress in a separate room.

I will not concur that it is simply a matter of a "boy who thinks he is a girl" but you understand that you are simply requesting that all of them have private dressing rooms and showers, right?

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Teikiatsu

How can you be the "wrong" gender? It's literally impossible. I think what you mean to say is that their physical characteristics and your perception of what those physical characteristics should cause them to act like (in your opinion) are mismatched.

I can say 'You have a Y chromosome. You are therefore male.' That is not perception, that is human biology.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The transgendered felt uncomfortable.

You believe that the person involved feels comfortable in either communal locker room?