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Eating Meat is Unethical

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posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 03:52 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I've yet to clean a Kenai, Copper, or Kasilof River red that didn't have a gut full of fettucinni noodles (roundworms). I've never cleaned a hog that didn't have parasites. You cook the meat and it's all just extra protein.

It is now being studied, the belief that most human ailments are caused by parasites even heart disease and brain diseases. Look into the subject, don't take my quick link to be it. If you handle the flesh and have a cut you could be full of parasites that are actually aging and killing you slowly. If you handle raw flesh and blood (juice):0 and if it is not well cooked the same applies.

According to Dr. Hulda Clark, in – The Cure For All Cancers
Seizures are caused by a single roundworm, Ascaris, getting into the brain.
Schizophrenia and depression are caused by parasites in the brain.
Asthma is caused by Ascaris in the lungs.
Diabetes is caused by the pancreatic fluke of cattle, Eurytrema.
Migraines are caused by the threadworm, Strongyloides.
Acne rosacea is caused by a Leishmania.
Much human heart disease is caused by dog heartworm, Dirofilaria.
And the list goes on.

Here is a quote from Dr. Ross Anderson, one of Americas foremost parasitic infection specialists.
" I believe the single most undiagnosed health challenge in the history of the human race is parasites. I realize that is a pretty brave statement, but it is based on my 20 years of experience with more than 20,000 patients."

Dr. Peter Wina, Chief of Pathobiology in the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research said;
" We have a tremendous parasite problem right here in the U.S., it is just not being addressed."

"In recent medical studies it has been estimated that 85% of the North American adult population has at least one form of parasite living in their bodies. Some authorities feel this figure may be as high as 95%."

Millions of Americans develop parasitic infections and symptoms often go unnoticed or are misdiagnosed. These microscopic creatures are typically picked up through food and water. An infection can lead to serious health problems, including seizures, blindness, pregnancy complications, heart failure and even death.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 03:56 PM
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

This argument doesnt hold up though , to those who butcher their own meat or hunt their own game on a regular basis

I think owning a commercial butcher shop for many years and owning a commercial fishing/processing/fresh fish, smoked shell fish and the whole 9 is a bit more equivalent with what most people eat and not their own like yourself.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:01 PM
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Wormwood and clove oil, friend.

I do have to take exception with some of this, however. Heartworms are carried by mosquitoes, Ascaris' mechanism of infection is via plants that harbor the eggs, Leishmania is transmitted by sand fly bites. None of these are tied to consumption of meat in any way...

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:01 PM

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

they will never transplant a bloody heart of a banana in a person

And genetic similarity to an animal doesn't suddenly make it unethical to eat it, unless you believe it does, which is because ethics are not a concrete thing. Arguing that it's wrong to eat pig because we share some biological functions is your opinion, nothing more. Full stop.

Chimps have been known cannibalize other chimps, apes and other monkeys.
Pigs do the same, though the cannibalism is less common they are omnivores as well and will eat meat.

Animals eat animals. Ethics extends to their treatment before they hit the plate.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:04 PM
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Ummm where the hell are you fishing? Ive found worms maybe 4 or 5 times in all the times ive bee fishing and you just throw the fish away.......

Ummm where the hell are you fishing? Ive found worms maybe 4 or 5 times in all the times ive bee fishing and you just throw the fish away.......

I don't think I have ever fileted a fish and not found worms. But I am a pro maybe you are not seeing them in the flesh.
Almost Every Kind of Wild Fish Is Infected with Worms

I see them I from experience don't need this method

And even then, neither freezing or cooking can keep the worm out of your fish; it just means that you’ll eat dead worms instead. One commercial strategy is to “candle” the fish, which means placing a bright light under a fillet so that shadows from the worms are visible. It’s like a low-tech X-ray. The worms can then be removed or the fish discarded.

Oregon requires that most fish served raw in restaurants be frozen first. But even then, fish that’s been frozen and is served raw—from sushi to ceviche—must be accompanied by a warning on the menu by law.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:09 PM

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Personally I always had to wonder at people who treated a farm animal like a pet and then eat them.

You're confusing respect and proper stock care for "treating like a pet."

??I was responding to this, adults and kids pet the animals they come when called lovingly waiting for a pat a hug a snack believing they are loved just like your dog. Then one morning snuffu!

I know for a fact that livestock is treated like pampered pets

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:13 PM
a reply to: SeaWorthy

You know why humans have had an ever increasing instance of allergies lately?

Maybe because, among other things, we are missing our native parasite loads.

Fleming’s trial in 2008 was the first to infect multiple sclerosis patients with live parasitic worms, also known as helminths, but others were also investigating their therapeutic potential. The field has its origins in the early 1990s. Joel Weinstock, now chief of the division of gastroenterology/hepatology at Tufts Medical Center in Boston, struck upon the idea during a six-hour delay on the runway at Chicago’s O’Hare airport.

“Over the years, people had looked for environmental factors that caused inflammatory bowel disease and hadn’t found anything,” Weinstock says. “While on the plane, I decided to play a game and pretend that it’s caused by the loss of something rather than the addition of something.” It was as if “a light suddenly went off”, Weinstock says, as parasites came to mind. Hygiene does wonderful things, he realised, but there’s always a price for change.

The price might be the surge in cases of asthma and allergies we’ve seen in western countries over the past 40 years. Likewise, rates of autoimmune and immunoregulatory conditions such as Crohn’s diseases, type 1 diabetes, inflammatory bowel disease and multiple sclerosis have been on the rise. Yet in developing countries, such conditions remain rare.

See. We evolved to carry those parasites you have the vapors over, and we no longer do. That part of our immune system still exists and when it doesn't have anything to do, it can get confused and start attacking our own body creating autoimmune conditions.

Not only that, but there is a reason why sushi fish is pretty much exclusively salt water. It's because the parasites in salt water fish are adapted to the internal chemistry of salt water animals. They wouldn't be able to survive in fresh water creatures. That's why as an aquarium hobbyist, you have to learn an entirely different stable of parasites and diseases.

At any rate, those parasites are not well suited to survival in humans for the same reason they won't spread to freshwater hosts. The internal chemistry is too different.

For most else, there is cooking methods that take care of it. You are aware that bugs and worms are the next frontier in protein sources?

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posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:14 PM
This is a little late but I thought it was appropriate given previous posts about bacon. Just brought these home yesterday from my friends smoke house.

I agree with the OP that Dr. Colin Campbell's advice and his book the China Study are very telling. I believe that the diseases he associates with affluent animal protein eating cultures has validity and should be further researched.

With that being said, there is just one flaw. Neither I nor anyone I know would be considered affluent, yet animal protein is the most affordable source of sustenance. Do you know how expensive non-chemically grown fruits and vegetables are? I recently killed, skinned, and butchered a pasture raised hog which netted a little under 200lbs of natural organic protein for $135. This will feed me for almost a year. It nearly filled a large stand up freezer. I saved the bones for my dogs and rendered the fat for soap and cooking trying to use as much of the animal as possible.

Until you can provide affordable organic vegetables, seeds, and fruits then it seems animal protein is more of a thing for the poor. If we are activating free radicals into cancer or fertilizing already existing cancer cells with growth hormones in animal protein as Dr. Campbell suggests then I guess that's the way it is. I can't make money appear. Either way, if Dr. Campbell is right I will die from cancer slower than starvation. Which avenue of death is more painful is subjective and debatable.

Have a nice day.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:21 PM

Swedish "Julskinka" (Christmas Ham)

Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas Everyone!

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:22 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Again with the bacon!

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:25 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I console myself by gnawing on pork ribs and poke chops....nom, nom, nom...

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:26 PM
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

wrong and youre missing a LOT compared to a meat protein based sorry are you a nutritionist? Because this statement is a flat out lie

There are 8 essential amino acids for creating protein all of which are available in vegetables....


posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:31 PM
are we really natural meat eaters or is this just old school mambo jambo propaganda?

first google the china food study. The biggest experiment about diet till date. More than enough evidence. If you want more, than read these links. Our body is NOT design for meat. This was just old B# which persisted till today. Maybe it is time to reconsider this argument. You trust in science after all, right? Than read the links.

oh and also this.

enjoy your meat if you want. But to say that this is our natural diet is ignorant if you take all factors into account. We are creatures of desires and desire for meat taste is not easy to get rid off and why should you, right? everyone dies after all...
Well I don't know for you, but I would like to live more than 100 healthy years. : )

About plants feeling pain?
yes they are feeling it. But we must eat something. Killing an animal or a plant is different. Or are you saying that you would feel the same if you butcher a living animal or if you pluck the plant? Or would you let your kids watch or do the butchering of the animals or rather let them pluck plants?...i thought so. Case closed.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:33 PM
a reply to: UniFinity

I let my son watch me clean the fish I catch all the time.

Wait? Was that not the answer you wanted me to give?

He needs to know where it comes from so he respects what goes in to the tasty fillets on his plate.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:38 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hoped you enjoyed the video and yes i know plants feel too. They have awareness, memory, problem solve, communicate with each other. They even have neurons like the human brain.

Those of animal kindgom are close relations to us and in many respects very akin to us. Their experience of the world is not unlike ours and i feel we should learn to treat them better.

Happy days

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:39 PM
Sigh oh look another veggie...
Look we are doing them all a favour by eating many Sheep and cows would there be If we didn't? not the billions they are in number now.
If they didn't want to be eaten why didn't they evolve to taste like poo? for poison?.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:40 PM
a reply to: DeceptioVisus

Until you can provide affordable organic vegetables, seeds, and fruits then it seems animal protein is more of a thing for the poor.

The funny thing is that is far more expensive., uses far more land and far more toxic to the environment to create meat than it is vegetables.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:41 PM
a reply to: boymonkey74

Good point if Cows wanted to be not eaten they would have bright warning colors like some poison tree frog on them or camo patterned fur or something.

posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:44 PM
a reply to: BASSPLYR

I bet If you could ask a cow about his view on the cow nation they would be happy with their lot.
At the end of the day as long as we strive to give them a decent happy life until their impending doom and don't be cruel n stuff they will be happy as a specie.
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posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 04:44 PM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Unwashed vegetables can contain b12 that is because of microbial activity in the soil. Havin b12 in my diet is no issue. I ferment my own vegetables that then contain vast amounts of b12. Seaweed is another source of b12...

You need to understand your food..

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