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Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? - NPR Story

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posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: amazing
Only because all three religions can trace their roots back to Abraham in some way. He is the father of all three religions.

This cannot possibly be true because they contradict each other.


If two beliefs directly contradict each other, both of them cannot be true, no matter how "tolerant" we become. This means it is false to say that every religion is true, or that every religion leads to God. When people make such claims they show that they have not taken the time to study the world's religions, because a brief reading of the sacred texts of only a handful of religions quickly reveals contradictions on the most fundamental levels.

They could all be false, but they can't all be true. Are any of them true? This is the most important question anyone can ask. Recognize religious contradictions. Embrace them. Test them. Seek the truth.

Contradict: They Can't All Be True

Would the Abrahamic religions contradict each other if they all shared the same source?
For example, their theological understanding of Jesus of Nazareth.

Judaism contradicts Christianity [1], Christianity contradicts Islam [2], and Islam contradicts Judaism [3].

[1] Judaism: (1) Jesus of Nazareth is not the Jewish Messiah. (2) Jesus of Nazareth is not God.

[2] Christianity: (1) Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah. (2) Jesus of Nazareth is God.

[3] Islam: (1) Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah. (2) Jesus of Nazareth is not God.

In truth, it seems to me, both Christianity and Islam presuppose the theological truth of Judaism, and then they contradict it, and then attempt to rationalize it, or justify it. Why is there so much difficulty between the Abrahamic religions?

www.quora.com...


But it doesn't matter if all three religions contradict each other. The contradictions and differences were added later by the leaders of each religion to "make their religion better and different than the others".

All that is meant by Abrahamic religions and that they all come from Abraham is that he influenced them all. He influenced and in a sense created all three of them. The problems with each of those three religions can be traced to Abraham.




posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: rexsblues
If you only knew how real god was, you'd realize why he doesn't exist at all.

The God Presence beyond the Universe is real.

He is constantly messing up the Archon's plan to create the 7 Year Tribulation which is why the Bible has so many contradictions.

Lucifer and Yahweh are simply glove puppets creating endless suffering.

What do the Archons and Draconians live off ? Fear; which is why they both constantly get their elite 'mud monkeys' to create endless wars.

Just wait for next February and beyond. Its going to be so much fun when the evil Demiurge unleash their programmed hell on Earth.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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No..one promises milk and honey at the end of one's life the other promises virgins....so ..NO



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: usernameconspiracy

You're on to something, profound! We as a creation. Don't make a god.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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I don't believe there is a hell, but if there was, there would only be one person there. Abraham.

God..."You little ^%&*(^*@#$% Look what you did! Billions dead and those fools still believe in Christianity, Judaism and Islam! It will take centuries to undo the damage you caused!"



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: amazing
Only because all three religions can trace their roots back to Abraham in some way. He is the father of all three religions.

This cannot possibly be true because they contradict each other.


If two beliefs directly contradict each other, both of them cannot be true, no matter how "tolerant" we become. This means it is false to say that every religion is true, or that every religion leads to God. When people make such claims they show that they have not taken the time to study the world's religions, because a brief reading of the sacred texts of only a handful of religions quickly reveals contradictions on the most fundamental levels.

They could all be false, but they can't all be true. Are any of them true? This is the most important question anyone can ask. Recognize religious contradictions. Embrace them. Test them. Seek the truth.

Contradict: They Can't All Be True

Would the Abrahamic religions contradict each other if they all shared the same source?
For example, their theological understanding of Jesus of Nazareth.

Judaism contradicts Christianity [1], Christianity contradicts Islam [2], and Islam contradicts Judaism [3].

[1] Judaism: (1) Jesus of Nazareth is not the Jewish Messiah. (2) Jesus of Nazareth is not God.

[2] Christianity: (1) Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah. (2) Jesus of Nazareth is God.

[3] Islam: (1) Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah. (2) Jesus of Nazareth is not God.

In truth, it seems to me, both Christianity and Islam presuppose the theological truth of Judaism, and then they contradict it, and then attempt to rationalize it, or justify it. Why is there so much difficulty between the Abrahamic religions?

www.quora.com...


What you're saying is very interesting but that doesn't explain the origins. They contradict each other but they also are very similar. Its hard to not group them together as Abraham religions.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Abraham's seed are indeed, "as many as the stars in heaven". God kept his "word". Because he, can not lie. But Abraham failed in his unbelief. Thus creating, this world/mess of who is who, who is "chosen" and who is not?
Abraham was told, by God, how it will/would be. But he (Abraham) took Haggar ...because of his failure to believe.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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I assume most people are aware of the major differences, right?

Christians believe Jesus was the Son of God and died to save us all from our sins. Believe in him and you are saved.

Muslims believe Jesus was just a prophet. Allah was a greater prophet. The only way to be saved is dieing for the cause and following all their mumbo jumbo rules.

Jews believe Jesus was a prophet, but they still wait for what they deem the real Son of God to come to Earth and save us.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: Rapha

The "bible" has no "contradictions". Just your limited ability to understand. Or your ability to be "willingly ignorant".
The bible will stand.! Word for word! If you, or I, stand for it or against it.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: Jahari

This is not coincidental.

Counterfeits can only succeed when they appear to be identical.

Religion is a counterfeit, but counterfeits always point towards a genuine.

The stealth agenda behind them is to discredit and keep you away from the genuine.


Now, passing counterfeit money is a crime, causing inconvenience, loss and disappointment to the victim. But counterfeit religion is even worse. It’s deceptive, because it looks so much like the real thing. But sooner or later, it will catch up with the person who tries to pass it off as genuine religion. And when that happens, people get hurt; especially the people who know genuine religion. They often get turned off on all religion, and want nothing more to do with it.

Counterfeit or Genuine

When the Secret Service trains its members to recognize counterfeit money, they begin by studying and learning the genuine article. They study in great detail all of its protections, its paper and markings, and the very smallest details to ensure they know the “real thing” better than anything. A bank teller deals with money all day long and he or she can get a good feel of the currency and know the “real thing” from experience and handling the bills on a daily basis.

We begin by finding the genuine article by looking at the name…one that honors its founder and creator. As Christ pointed out to Peter, in Matthew 16:18, Christ is the founder…any other is an imposter/man-made/counterfeit.

Counterfeit Religion



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: usernameconspiracy
I so agree.

You can't find God in any religion, even with an electron microscope.

Religion is by man's hands, and has man's fingerprints all over it.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Rapha

The "bible" has no "contradictions". Just your limited ability to understand. Or your ability to be "willingly ignorant".
The bible will stand.! Word for word! If you, or I, stand for it or against it.





Sorry, but I'm not even sure where to start. The bible says that pi=3, claims that there was a world-wide flood (nope, no proof), almost ignores the Hittites (one of the major superpowers of the Middle East), claims that Solomon's kingdom was a major player in the area (sadly the archaeology does not confirm this) and has huge holes in it (what happened to the early church in Jerusalem, led by James?). It's a collection of bronze and iron age fables collected by religious politicians.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: rexsblues
If you only knew how real god was, you'd realize why he doesn't exist at all.

The God Presence beyond the Universe is real.

He is constantly messing up the Archon's plan to create the 7 Year Tribulation which is why the Bible has so many contradictions.

Lucifer and Yahweh are simply glove puppets creating endless suffering.

What do the Archons and Draconians live off ? Fear; which is why they both constantly get their elite 'mud monkeys' to create endless wars.

Just wait for next February and beyond. Its going to be so much fun when the evil Demiurge unleash their programmed hell on Earth.


you do realize that back then there were "storytellers"...fiction writers as it were. the level of ignorance back then was on a massive scale. people that could tell a good story were rewarded with food, and a bed for the night



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
But it doesn't matter if all three religions contradict each other. The contradictions and differences were added later by the leaders of each religion to "make their religion better and different than the others".

All that is meant by Abrahamic religions and that they all come from Abraham is that he influenced them all. He influenced and in a sense created all three of them. The problems with each of those three religions can be traced to Abraham.

Who told you this and why do you believe it?

I am 100% confidant that what I have said is true.

I am also 100% confidant that your sources are wrong.

Why? Because I researched this myself.

And when I say research, I'm talking literally thousands of hours spent.

Can you say the same?



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

You're right! God has never felt the need to hide from us. But we have always hid from him. Through "religions". Adam said, " I hid from you because I was naked" and god asked, "How did you know, you were naked"? Is it because you ate of the tree, I told you not to eat?"

None of us will outlawyer, God. Not anyone.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: amazing
But it doesn't matter if all three religions contradict each other. The contradictions and differences were added later by the leaders of each religion to "make their religion better and different than the others".

All that is meant by Abrahamic religions and that they all come from Abraham is that he influenced them all. He influenced and in a sense created all three of them. The problems with each of those three religions can be traced to Abraham.

Who told you this and why do you believe it?

I am 100% confidant that what I have said is true.

I am also 100% confidant that your sources are wrong.

Why? Because I researched this myself.

And when I say research, I'm talking literally thousands of hours spent.

Can you say the same?




I'm pretty confident myself with my own research. Being raised in a Baptist church...spending years in a Methodist church and reading all kinds of books on Religion/Christianity/Spirituality/History/Philosophy.

I continue to read to this day. I'm hoping to finish reading seven to 8 books by the first week of January. (not all religios or spiritual)

I realize that there is much room for debate/discussion and argument, as we're doing here. And it's a good discussion.

My research and personal experiences have led me to the following conclusions.

1. The Bible is fallible and although inspired by (in my opinion) a real God, has been bastardized by man and our corrupt leaders like Constantine and Paul.

2. Christianity, Islam and Judaism can be traced by to Abraham. There is a direct line/link back to Abraham for all three religions.

3. Christianity, Islam and Judaism and therefore Abraham, are really the children of Sumer and the Sumerian religions and creation stories.

Therefore, if we've both researched yet come to different conclusions, who is correct and might both of us have some valuable insight to offer each other?


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posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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do they?




39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701

Profound. Just, profound! You have understanding.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: rexsblues



www.npr.org...



Whatever you imagine God to be, God is other than that."


And yet they gave their man Muhammad reverence as the Last Prophet; something doesn't smell right.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

You're right! God has never felt the need to hide from us. But we have always hid from him. Through "religions". Adam said, " I hid from you because I was naked" and god asked, "How did you know, you were naked"? Is it because you ate of the tree, I told you not to eat?"

None of us will outlawyer, God. Not anyone.


If he/she/it/whateva is not hiding he (you get the drift) is doing a very poor job. There is absolutely no evidence, whether tangible or otherwise of this deity ever existing. If your proposed "God" entity is invisible, inaudible, incorporeal, immaterial, exists outside of the universe, is timeless, not observable, immeasurable, does nothing and leaves no evidence for it's existence...then that pretty much satisfies the exact definition of "Imaginary" or 'Myth".



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