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Jackpot-fixing investigation expands to more state lotteries

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posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 08:08 AM
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I'll bet those computers can pick a number sequence that wasn't played to keep the jackpot growing, cheaper than putting a whole new prize up. Here in Michigan the odds of winning the fantasy five are 1 in 575,757. The drawing are every day. I find it hard to believe with all the tickets sold most combinations of numbers aren't bought, yet Ive seen that thing climb for a week or more, pretty slim odds that it isn't won almost nightly.




posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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Of course. Did anyone think otherwise? Conceptually speaking, its rather easy to write a package that generates numbers in a combination that you're likely not to have . It's also conceptually easy to capture the output of that number.

Stop throwing your money away people. If you really want to though, send it to me. I'll personally write you a thank you letter.



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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None of you actually know anything about the lottery and how it works.

I do.

I work for a company that runs the lottery in 37 states of the US.
We are a privately owned company and our customer is the state lottery commission.
In this particular instance the individual named in this investigation works for an organization called MUSL pronounced "muscle". Trust me they have the muscle and they regulate how we operate in multi state lotteries such as Mega Millions.
They dictate times in which we can upload changes to the software in the gaming systems and they must approve the patches or new games that are loaded. This only applies to games such as the "Pic 6 or Pic 5". These are what we call "online games" they are most certainly random, provided the software is running correctly (we pay a lot of money to license random number generators). This individual is part of the organization that is supposed to be the watchdog and he utilized his position to slip in a means of tampering with the game. For our part we go through a LOT of trouble to keep that from happening and we are prevented from playing the game anyway.

Regarding the randomness of the drawings. You need to understand that the gaming system runs multiple games. Each one of them has a different set of controls and rules. The lottery commission uses the system to do the number pics. I honestly do not know for sure if the bouncy balls are used to pic the numbers for the large drawings or not. That is all done by the gaming commission at their HQ which is in a different location than our offices in the states. I would suspect that the balls are still used for effect but no longer actually pick those games. I do know that for years our company did purchase the balls and that they were very controlled for perfection and consistency. This was all certified by third party accounting firms like KPMG and Delouit. Those guys still certify the draws were conducted utilizing the gaming system and that the system, again assuming it has not been tampered with by the watchdog is functioning as it should.

For the scratch tickets. thats a completely different animal. I sit about 100 feet from the two presses that print the most scratch off tickets in the world. We run about 3 billion a month. Yes there is a code and a process regarding how they are produced. The mathematician who figured it out was really not all that special. All he did was figure out how our systems generate the production pattern. The tickets are printed on a press that is about 50 yards long and on rolls of paper that weigh a ton. There are thousands of tickets printed on a roll and each ticket has a bar code on it. For a game the lottery commission will pick art work and a prize and odds format. Our system generates a print run that will maintain those odds and prize formats on each run. Then we print the tickets cut them into sheets and run them through a packing process that bundles and boxes them. We know where every winning ticket is and where it is shipped to. The ticket is worthless until the bar code is validated when the prize is claimed. Sales and marketing play a big part in where winning tickets are shipped. Every retailer is going to get winning tickets but the big sellers will get more. That's just a factor of the shear number of tickets they sell.

Keep playing, you cant win if you dont play!



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: M4nWithNoN4me
Nothing surprises me anymore. Every program, every business, every part of local, state, and federal government, seems to have been infested and ripped off by corrupt, lying rats. Nowadays, it just goes without saying.
"


Well, at least they count our votes accurately at election time.

uh.....



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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I'm really interested in this whole story and I wish it would go viral. I would buy some tickets three or four times a year and I always figured the numbers were picked by the ping pong balls.

I had some faith in the US government before I found out that the CIA was bringing drugs into the country and nobody was ever prosecuted for it. That was when I began to look at the government with less blind faith and more of a critical eye. I think this could be an eye opening event for many of the so-called low information voters (I don't like that term, but I don't have a better one). It could get people to start asking the right questions.

If the numbers are picked by computer, why go through the charade with the ping pong balls? If the games are honest, why not just tell people what is really going on?

If these games are being run by state governments, do you have trust in the integrity of your state government? Especially when there are billions of dollars on the line? When I talk to people one on one, most recognize corruption in their local governments. They know that local politicians become state politicians become federal politicians. It's reasonable to assume these people don't become less corrupt as they move up.

Many people are aware of corrupt practices like Civil Asset Forfeiture, but it doesn't really light a fire for them unless it happens to them personally. Discovering that the lottery isn't entirely on the up and up would affect a lot of people. Hopefully, that fire wouldn't burn out on the lottery, but cause people to take a harder look at corruption at all levels of government. Maybe large numbers of people would start demanding real change and transparency in all levels of government instead of settling for empty promises.

Then again, maybe I'll hit the lottery.


Still, I'll spread the word. It may be a billion to one shot, but at least it won't cost me a buck.



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: korath
I'll bet those computers can pick a number sequence that wasn't played to keep the jackpot growing,

That is more then possible.
They know a winning ticket has been picked before anyone has turned it in.
For a computer to select numbers that have not been picked before a drawing Is easy as pie.
More people also throw their money at the jackpot the bigger it gets.
As you said it makes the payout smaller.



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: machineintelligence

What a crock! I wonder if they choose the broke couple living in a travel trailer on purpose, and if that's why those winners are broke within a year or two of winning millions (because they have to split or share it)...



posted on Dec, 24 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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I also like the stories about all the winning tickets that go unclaimed. Odd how so many people misplace their winning ticket and the state keeps the money after they expire in a year, or were they ever really sold in the first place?



posted on Dec, 24 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: korath
I also like the stories about all the winning tickets that go unclaimed. Odd how so many people misplace their winning ticket and the state keeps the money after they expire in a year, or were they ever really sold in the first place?


Human beings can be highly disorganized animals.
I've lost a few tickets before and of course in my mind those were most likely winning tickets. Haha
They also rub easy like cheeply printed sales recites.
Spill something on them and their near ruined..
Considering their profit I find that quite lame.
I did notice once a near by state had better printed tickets so this seems state to state.



posted on Dec, 24 2015 @ 10:36 PM
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originally posted by: korath
I also like the stories about all the winning tickets that go unclaimed. Odd how so many people misplace their winning ticket and the state keeps the money after they expire in a year, or were they ever really sold in the first place?



It's called, you scratch my back and I'll load your back with a sh... load of money.



posted on Dec, 24 2015 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: OverYonder

originally posted by: korath
I'll bet those computers can pick a number sequence that wasn't played to keep the jackpot growing,

That is more then possible.
They know a winning ticket has been picked before anyone has turned it in.
For a computer to select numbers that have not been picked before a drawing Is easy as pie.
More people also throw their money at the jackpot the bigger it gets.
As you said it makes the payout smaller.



This happens around all major American holidays.



posted on Dec, 24 2015 @ 11:34 PM
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a reply to: rockintitza state give an iou for my lottery i will be going to jail for giving the official his change



posted on Dec, 25 2015 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: Dragoon01
They dictate times in which we can upload changes to the software in the gaming systems and they must approve the patches or new games that are loaded. This only applies to games such as the "Pic 6 or Pic 5". These are what we call "online games" they are most certainly random, provided the software is running correctly (we pay a lot of money to license random number generators). This individual is part of the organization that is supposed to be the watchdog and he utilized his position to slip in a means of tampering with the game. For our part we go through a LOT of trouble to keep that from happening and we are prevented from playing the game anyway.

Regarding the randomness of the drawings. You need to understand that the gaming system runs multiple games. Each one of them has a different set of controls and rules. The lottery commission uses the system to do the number pics.


Guess I should be more accurate here. I know for a fact in Keno that the machines will pick numbers that are less statistically likely. I've sat and recorded a bunch of games out of curiosity and then analyzed them. I can't say that what you're doing is using purely random numbers but I have my suspicions. I know that pretty much all gambling organizations pay a lot of money for very good random number generators but I'm still pretty sure that some randoms are weighted. It probably makes a lot of sense to make a jackpot less likely until hype for it can build and more people play.


Keep playing, you cant win if you dont play!


A strange game, the only winning move is not to play.



posted on Dec, 25 2015 @ 03:34 AM
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a reply to: LSU0408

How about this for a coincidence: Couple win lottery draw for second time in 2 years

How lucky is that to win a million pound lottery 2 years in a row?



posted on Dec, 25 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: machineintelligence
a reply to: LSU0408

How about this for a coincidence: Couple win lottery draw for second time in 2 years

How lucky is that to win a million pound lottery 2 years in a row?



And did they give the second winning to their church? Like to find out if they did.



posted on Dec, 25 2015 @ 08:22 AM
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The whole thing is a scam, the store I work at sells tons of scratch off tickets and MAYBE when I'm working, once or twice a week somebody comes in with a 100 dollar winner. There are smaller winners as well, but they rarely go past the twenty dollar mark. Most times the "prize" is the same amount you paid for the ticket, but that lets the lottery claim there are millions of prizes to be won.

At least the daily 3 digit has specific odds of winning, place a dollar straight bet and your odds are one in a thousand to win 500 dollars in Michigan. I can't remember the last time anybody won 500 on a dollar scratch off. Of course one in a thousand sounds more feasible, but picture it like this, if a city block has seven houses on each side, that's 28 houses per block, divide a 1000 by that and it's more than 35 city blocks. next time your looking at a map, circle that many blocks and those are your chances of picking the right house at a dollar a pop. Silvers about 15 bucks an ounce, buy that instead.



posted on Dec, 25 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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Is everything rigged.


Yes.
Scratcher games that can reduce the amount of payouts by
increasing the amount of losing tickets being sold. One would only
be wise to assume everything is rigged, even after the odds are against
you. Charity commercials that sing the blues to cameos of abused and
unloved doggies. White bearded old men whining about hungry children
instead of bring'n em a sandwich. TV evangelists! THE WORLD SUCKS.
Those who don't know are likely victims.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: OverYonder

originally posted by: korath
I also like the stories about all the winning tickets that go unclaimed. Odd how so many people misplace their winning ticket and the state keeps the money after they expire in a year, or were they ever really sold in the first place?


Human beings can be highly disorganized animals.
I've lost a few tickets before and of course in my mind those were most likely winning tickets. Haha
They also rub easy like cheeply printed sales recites.
Spill something on them and their near ruined..
Considering their profit I find that quite lame.
I did notice once a near by state had better printed tickets so this seems state to state.



The reason those tickets are "cheeply" printed is because yes it is in fact cheeper to print on Thermal paper than normal bond with printer ink.

Let me let you in on another little aspect of the business. My company contracts with the State Lottery commission to run an online lottery. The State actually pays us a portion of the sales, then they get a portion and the winners get a portion. The State is not responsible for ANY aspect of infrastructure to run the games. Thats what our company doews. So we build the terminal machines, we supply them with a means of communication ( that costs us at least 25 million dollars a year nation wide) and all maintenance and support for the machines and retailers. So yes, we build the terminals as cost effective as possible and that means Thermal paper. Its not about cheating customers out of a win its about our company margin.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Dragoon01
They dictate times in which we can upload changes to the software in the gaming systems and they must approve the patches or new games that are loaded. This only applies to games such as the "Pic 6 or Pic 5". These are what we call "online games" they are most certainly random, provided the software is running correctly (we pay a lot of money to license random number generators). This individual is part of the organization that is supposed to be the watchdog and he utilized his position to slip in a means of tampering with the game. For our part we go through a LOT of trouble to keep that from happening and we are prevented from playing the game anyway.

Regarding the randomness of the drawings. You need to understand that the gaming system runs multiple games. Each one of them has a different set of controls and rules. The lottery commission uses the system to do the number pics.


Guess I should be more accurate here. I know for a fact in Keno that the machines will pick numbers that are less statistically likely. I've sat and recorded a bunch of games out of curiosity and then analyzed them. I can't say that what you're doing is using purely random numbers but I have my suspicions. I know that pretty much all gambling organizations pay a lot of money for very good random number generators but I'm still pretty sure that some randoms are weighted. It probably makes a lot of sense to make a jackpot less likely until hype for it can build and more people play.


Keep playing, you cant win if you dont play!


A strange game, the only winning move is not to play.



You are confusing games. Keno is not always a progressive game. Progressive games build the jackpot if no one wins. Keno at least in some states is a stand alone play with a chance to win a set prize. The draw to Keno is that its played multiple times in a day so you have multiple chances to win. Keno is what we call a Video product because we typically produce some form of animations to show the winning numbers.
the large multi-state lotteries are progressive games and they build if no one wins the jackpot.

You may see Keno build its jackpot in some places because its ran a bit different than a lottery Keno game.
I dont want to get into the great depth of gaming lore here but basically in a state that does not have casino gambling the games can appear to be all "state" games. In fact some states allow "gaming" that is heavily regulated and taxed by the state but is ran by a group of operators who we sell gaming machines and systems to. They will put the games in bars and pubs or gas stations and rest stops typically. Some of those are ran like progressive games but thats really up to the operator and not our call. I can assure you however that the systems are designed to run truly random numbers. I could tell you the name of the RNG's that we use but thats not a good idea for corporate security. Keno is ran on a different gaming system than a Pick 5 or Pick 6 game because like I said its what we call a Video product and not an Online product.



posted on Dec, 29 2015 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: korath
The whole thing is a scam, the store I work at sells tons of scratch off tickets and MAYBE when I'm working, once or twice a week somebody comes in with a 100 dollar winner. There are smaller winners as well, but they rarely go past the twenty dollar mark. Most times the "prize" is the same amount you paid for the ticket, but that lets the lottery claim there are millions of prizes to be won.

At least the daily 3 digit has specific odds of winning, place a dollar straight bet and your odds are one in a thousand to win 500 dollars in Michigan. I can't remember the last time anybody won 500 on a dollar scratch off. Of course one in a thousand sounds more feasible, but picture it like this, if a city block has seven houses on each side, that's 28 houses per block, divide a 1000 by that and it's more than 35 city blocks. next time your looking at a map, circle that many blocks and those are your chances of picking the right house at a dollar a pop. Silvers about 15 bucks an ounce, buy that instead.







I know that people in Michigan are winning more than 500 on scratch tickets. We developed the Michigan lottery player loyalty site.

www.michiganlottery.com...

We also print those scratch off tickets.
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