Miss Universe 2015 crowning moments horrendous fiasco, why this so weird double Trump?.

a reply to: The angel of light

So this thread was nothing but an attempt to villify trump I guess. I can see your against stopping illegal aliens from crossing the Mexican border. Because your stretching the truth to the point of insanity. Trust me the drug cartels don't care about other mobs and in no way would they allow them to control anything. These crime families fight the Mexican and columbian army do you think they are scared of some mobsters realy??

a reply to: The angel of light

What does any of this have to do with Miss Universe 2015 and what happened? Seems to me you are talking out your arse to make yourself look like you know what you are talking about.

Its simple. It was a HUMAN mistake. NO conspiracy ..... All I can say is wow.....

a reply to: dragonridr

Insanity? Really who said that? why is so important to cover up that? because the truth is so much difficult to diggest and accept isnt it ?

America started to consume massively narcotics during the era of the prohibition in which no Hispanic mafia ever existed in this country and of course it was absolutely unknown on Latin America.

Al Capone traded Heroine and Cocaine since 1920s

It was people like Al Capone the first ones that traded strong drugs, like Heroine or Cocaine into the great American metropolis that was at that time brought from the Far east, not from any point to the south of America, and from Europe, because Cocaine was invented first time in french laboratories.

That occurred when the trade of Opium in China was absolutely controlled by foreighners, British, Germans and of course also American Mafia, and the narcotrafic in America was ruled by a series of alliances of Capone with other mobs, including of course the African American one of Los Angeles.

Even China had a war against those foreign western mafias in a disparate attempt to move away from that terrible destructive force, unfortunately they didn't have the needed military structure to win it, and the consequence was to be forced to tolerate in their own territory entire cities built by Mob and arranged to control the distribution of drugs, Yes, I am talking about Hong Kong and Macau.

Opium Wars in China late XIX century

Opium wars in between China and Western Powers

Narcotrafic in Latin America began to be a trouble when revolutions ocurred in China and Iran, America lost its war in Vietnam and Russia invaded Afghanistan, because those 4 countries were the natural providers of stupefacients and narcotic drugs to the American Mafias that have always controlled traditionally the distribution of Narcotics here.

Before 1959 the principal corridor of access of Drugs to America was not Mexico, but Cuba, that of course ended with the revolution in that country.

Mafia appeared in Hispanic countries when it was eliminated in Iran, China, Afghanistan and Vietnam for the Historic circumstances I have mentioned. We use to think that Pablo Escobar was a Colombian invention, but as a matter of fact he became who he was by the hand of the Boston mafia drug dealer George Hung, who was actually the brain that established the American coc aine Market after many years involved in Marihuana trade to California from Mexico.

a film on George Hung life

George Hung, Cocaine Smuggler

So, the only constant link in the History of the long chain of production, transport and distribution of drugs into America is the same I have already mentioned in my previous post: Italian American cosa nostra, Jewish American mob, Irish American mob, Polish American Mafia, Caldean American mob, Greek American mafia, the Hawaiian Company, the African American Organized crime, etc.

Trump says that the criminality that surround Narcotraffic is typically Mexican, nothing is more false that such statement, it is mirage carefully designed to distract the attention of the American public opinion of what actually it is the real heart of the problem.

America has exported to the rest of the continent a style of tolerance to organized crime that is destruying nations never before had faced such kind of violence, and now we are also going to prosecute refuggees that escaped from such nightmare to our land believing that the great majority of our people is good and has nothing to do with the evil forces that harrassed their nations?

John F Kennedy and Robert Kennedy also believed that the Majority of the Americans are against Mob and their evil methods, but that unfortunately didnt stop the organized crime to eliminate them of the scene.

Mafia Hit man confesses to killing President Kennedy

What Plot killed the Kennedys

James Files plea Guilty of JFK assassination

Rosselli points to Mob in 1960s Kennedys Assassinations

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: apoc36

No conspiracy against Colombia ? Really?

then why we are seeing today the following attacks , that now are posted everywhere in the web, coming fron a
member of the Juror that is adding insults against the first runner up in addiction to all the psychological stress
she has already experienced that night??.

This what the Colombian contestant has posted publically about the incident:

Instagram of Miss Colombia Ariadna Gutierrez

After the storm comes the calm. I want to thank each and everyone of you who have sent messages of support and strength. Every one of you has become an incredible human being in my book and I am the most fortunate and thankful for having the support not only from one country but from the whole entire world. Your destiny is written for you. And my destiny was this. I was able to bring happiness to my country after becoming Miss Universe for only a couple of minutes... Today because of that COLOMBIA and the LATIN COMMUNITY are being talked about in every corner of the world. I also want to congratulate the Philippines for their new Miss Universe 🙏🏼. The happiness that you must be feeling must be incredible. Life continues and in the future we will find out why things happen the way they happen. Thank you all for your LOVE SUPPORT and KINDNESS. ❤️

Pls check:

www.usmagazine.com...

Now, compare those comments with the openly diffamatory comments given by the Miss Universe judge Perez Hilton in so much irresponsible way by to Good morning America.

Miss Universe Judge Perez Hilton in Good morning America:

"I don't know if the people at home could see this, but Miss Colombia was being straight-up diva bitch," Hilton said of her alleged behavior. "[She was] rude to her translator. She was giving the most awful side-eye, throwing major shade. . . . Miss Colombia was not happy with the pace or the way that the translator was translating."

He wasn't the only one who noticed.

"She came across not just to me, but several of the other judges [as] bitchy and arrogant

Miss Universe Judge Perez Hilton Slams 'Diva Bitch' Miss Colombia

Perez Hilton finished saying that Mr Harvey didnt do his job, well it is clear that it is not only him but even this Judge who is showing an incredible incompetence, agressivity and lack of respect never seen before in any version of Miss Universe pegeant in History.

Who in the world decided that this guy, Perez Hilton, that uses such a extremely insulting profane language to express himself has credentials good enough to be Judge of any serious and respectful pegeant??

Now, there is a video circulating in the web, that shows clearly an exchange of cards that there is no way to explain in the moments the decission was changed.

Pls check,

www.youtube.com...

This video is even replicated in Yahoo news:

es-us.celebridades.yahoo.com...

There is a lot of contrast in between the serene and so much professional attitude of Miss Colombia and the one of her enemies in the pegeant organization that are giving a show of incompetence that is embarrassing.

I would suggest Miss Ariadna Gutierrez to file out a legal suit against the Miss Universe pegeant organization not only for the psychological distress this has caused to her, her family too, but for the campaign of insults, exaggerations, and harrassment against her.

es-us.celebridades.yahoo.com...

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: apoc36

No conspiracy against Colombia ? Really?

then why we are seeing today the following attacks , that now are posted everywhere in the web, coming fron a
member of the Juror that is adding insults against the first runner up in addiction to all the psychological stress
she has already experienced that night??.

This what the Colombian contestant has posted publically about the incident:

Instagram of Miss Colombia Ariadna Gutierrez

After the storm comes the calm. I want to thank each and everyone of you who have sent messages of support and strength. Every one of you has become an incredible human being in my book and I am the most fortunate and thankful for having the support not only from one country but from the whole entire world. Your destiny is written for you. And my destiny was this. I was able to bring happiness to my country after becoming Miss Universe for only a couple of minutes... Today because of that COLOMBIA and the LATIN COMMUNITY are being talked about in every corner of the world. I also want to congratulate the Philippines for their new Miss Universe 🙏🏼. The happiness that you must be feeling must be incredible. Life continues and in the future we will find out why things happen the way they happen. Thank you all for your LOVE SUPPORT and KINDNESS. ❤️

Pls check:

www.usmagazine.com...

Now, compare those comments with the openly diffamatory comments given by the Miss Universe judge Perez Hilton in so much irresponsible way by to Good morning America.

Miss Universe Judge Perez Hilton in Good morning America:

"I don't know if the people at home could see this, but Miss Colombia was being straight-up diva bitch," Hilton said of her alleged behavior. "[She was] rude to her translator. She was giving the most awful side-eye, throwing major shade. . . . Miss Colombia was not happy with the pace or the way that the translator was translating."

He wasn't the only one who noticed.

"She came across not just to me, but several of the other judges [as] bitchy and arrogant

Miss Universe Judge Perez Hilton Slams 'Diva Bitch' Miss Colombia

Perez Hilton finished saying that Mr Harvey didnt do his job, well it is clear that it is not only him but even this Judge who is showing an incredible incompetence, agressivity and lack of respect never seen before in any version of Miss Universe pegeant in History.

Who in the world decided that this guy, Perez Hilton, that uses such a extremely insulting profane language to express himself has credentials good enough to be Judge of any serious and respectful pegeant??

Now, there is a video circulating in the web, that shows clearly an exchange of cards that there is no way to explain in the moments the decission was changed.

Pls check,

www.youtube.com...

This video is even replicated in Yahoo news:

es-us.celebridades.yahoo.com...

There is a lot of contrast in between the serene and so much professional attitude of Miss Colombia and the one of her enemies in the pegeant organization that are giving a show of incompetence that is embarrassing.

I would suggest Miss Ariadna Gutierrez to file out a legal suit against the Miss Universe pegeant organization not only for the psychological distress this has caused to her, her family too, but for the campaign of insults, exaggerations, and harrassment against her.

es-us.celebridades.yahoo.com...

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

You need to watch the video there is no way for them to exchange anything hes still 15 feet away. I guess you don't realize there is a stage there. And look closely what the woman is holding its a pamphlet and it remains in her hand the whole time.

I didn't realize columbians were such poor sports. Sad when they can't accept the loss with grace like their representative did. But in the end its just a beauty contest not the world cup. And its a little disturbing that columbians can't see it was a mistake and are making silly arguments over something which degrades wemen in the first place. Beauty contests are nothing more than shallow representations.

a reply to: dragonridr

Hey Dragonridr,

It is clear that you don't understand the point at all, and have no idea where is this criticize coming from, this is not lack of ability to face defeat, but a very justified claim for respect to the dignity of the girls that have spent work, resources, time, effort , discipline to show the best of themselves in a show that in the long run contributes to the fame of an organization.

The words posted by Miss Colombia in Instagram are extremely straight forward, there is no way to miss interpret them, she was not claiming to get the crown back, she is not arguing with anybody, she has posted an extremely conciliatory message, she even have congratulated Miss Phillipines.

Pls read:
www.thewrap.com...

www.msn.com... out

In response to her kindness a judge of the peagent has called her Bitch, if you are acostumed to call names to women in such a way or you consider perfectly natural and acceptable such behavior in these events let me point that I dont think it is decent, its extremely insulting and of course is completely unacceptable.

No organization functionary has the right to destroy the reputation of any person that compete in their event in such a way that at the end of the day following such comments Miss Columbia became object of a proposal of a Pornographic studio!!

Ariadna Gutierrez is a not a Prostitute, she is a fine and well educated girl, she does not deserve to be treated as it by Perez HIlton in the way he perhaps treat the women that do not want to sleep with him.

Hilton has showed today the manners of butcher, his words against Miss Gutierrez are in the most insulting level that a man can refer to any woman, his attacks to her are the ones of a bumpkin. He is openly doing verbal bullying against her.

This Thread was not opened to deffend nationalistic positions, the claim here is for ethical behavior, is to give a battle in defense to the human dignity, moreover in respect to any woman.

All the judges of the pegeant had the opportunity to react immediately and stop Harvey if this was really a gaffe, but not , they decided instead to remain in silence for 5 minuntes and waited until the Colombian was formally crowned and also walked to support then such a humiliation. That shows not only lack of professionalism, or even competence but absolute absence of protocols.

Miss Venezuela principal Mr. Osmel Sousa today has revealed about the event in las Vegas, that Mr Harvey never attended the multiple rehearsals of the final moments of the show, another person was in his place.

www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve...

So with all respect the only great pretty arrogant Divas we watched that Night through the TV were Mr Harvey and now also Mr Hilton, that believe they either don't need to rehearse at all an act that is going to be transmitted to the world or can humiliate infamously and harrass anybody under their authority.

One of the Judges even used that time, instead to react against the supposed mistake, twitting calmy and prettey relaxed: "The winner is Colombia", it was the former Miss Universe Olivia Culpo

Pls read: elvocero.com...

We know that none of the contestants representing the other almost 80 countries present in the pegeant voted for Miss Phillipines, this was disclosed by Miss Germany, who is not Colombian at all. She has tried to move on from the controversy in the last hours when she saw the way Miss Colombia decided to accept the facts, but her words will remain for eons in the History of beauty contests!

www.etonline.com...

You have qualified an entire nation that clearly you don't know at all as poor in their way to affront a so shocking situation, well anybody can see that the treatment of Mr Hilton with respect to Miss Gutierrez is absolutely miserable, his ignorance in matter of decorum is astonishing.

Hilton is clearly lying while saying that nobody among the judges voted Colombia, no body is able to reach the very finals of Miss Universe pegeant without votes from them, he is absurdt, rude and pathetic!.

Fortunately for the ones of us that still believe in virtues that define beauty, I know you are not among us, this week Miss World from China had an extremely clean and well done show, all the time inside the rules of mutual respect and moreover protocol, and I am glad for that, it saves the week in this subject, it is great to see that Miss Spain Mireia Lalaguna became Miss World in a crystalline event.

The Colombian girl in Miss world was not among the finalists, but that is not what it matters here, what really counts is none of the girls in the competion at Sanya was exposed to the horrendus fiasco we saw happening in Las Vegas. Definitively China will show standards of quality control in the production of Miss World that are astronomically distant of what we saw with this Miss Universe pegeant 2015.

Now, I am not born in Colombia but I love America enough to present in the name of the millions of respectful gentlemen that in this country still believe in all what is beautiful and clean an apology to Miss Gutierrez in the name of the entire country for this horrible mess she lived here, please give us the opportunity at future to show you that what Harvey and Hilton did this week are extremely poor examples of our culture.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: dragonridr

Hey Dragonridr,

It is clear that you don't understand the point at all, and have no idea where is this criticize coming from, this is not lack of ability to face defeat, but a very justified claim for respect to the dignity of the girls that have spent work, resources, time, effort , discipline to show the best of themselves in a show that in the long run contributes to the fame of an organization.

The words posted by Miss Colombia in Instagram are extremely straight forward, there is no way to miss interpret them, she was not claiming to get the crown back, she is not arguing with anybody, she has posted an extremely conciliatory message, she even have congratulated Miss Phillipines.

Pls read:
www.thewrap.com...

www.msn.com... out

In response to her kindness a judge of the peagent has called her Bitch, if you are acostumed to call names to women in such a way or you consider perfectly natural and acceptable such behavior in these events let me point that I dont think it is decent, its extremely insulting and of course is completely unacceptable.

No organization functionary has the right to destroy the reputation of any person that compete in their event in such a way that at the end of the day following such comments Miss Columbia became object of a proposal of a Pornographic studio!!

Ariadna Gutierrez is a not a Prostitute, she is a fine and well educated girl, she does not deserve to be treated as it by Perez HIlton in the way he perhaps treat the women that do not want to sleep with him.

Hilton has showed today the manners of butcher, his words against Miss Gutierrez are in the most insulting level that a man can refer to any woman, his attacks to her are the ones of a bumpkin. He is openly doing verbal bullying against her.

This Thread was not opened to deffend nationalistic positions, the claim here is for ethical behavior, is to give a battle in defense to the human dignity, moreover in respect to any woman.

All the judges of the pegeant had the opportunity to react immediately and stop Harvey if this was really a gaffe, but not , they decided instead to remain in silence for 5 minuntes and waited until the Colombian was formally crowned and also walked to support then such a humiliation. That shows not only lack of professionalism, or even competence but absolute absence of protocols.

Miss Venezuela principal Mr. Osmel Sousa today has revealed about the event in las Vegas, that Mr Harvey never attended the multiple rehearsals of the final moments of the show, another person was in his place.

www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve...

So with all respect the only great pretty arrogant Divas we watched that Night through the TV were Mr Harvey and now also Mr Hilton, that believe they either don't need to rehearse at all an act that is going to be transmitted to the world or can humiliate infamously and harrass anybody under their authority.

One of the Judges even used that time, instead to react against the supposed mistake, twitting calmy and prettey relaxed: "The winner is Colombia", it was the former Miss Universe Olivia Culpo

Pls read: elvocero.com...

We know that none of the contestants representing the other almost 80 countries present in the pegeant voted for Miss Phillipines, this was disclosed by Miss Germany, who is not Colombian at all. She has tried to move on from the controversy in the last hours when she saw the way Miss Colombia decided to accept the facts, but her words will remain for eons in the History of beauty contests!

www.etonline.com...

You have qualified an entire nation that clearly you don't know at all as poor in their way to affront a so shocking situation, well anybody can see that the treatment of Mr Hilton with respect to Miss Gutierrez is absolutely miserable, his ignorance in matter of decorum is astonishing.

Hilton is clearly lying while saying that nobody among the judges voted Colombia, no body is able to reach the very finals of Miss Universe pegeant without votes from them, he is absurdt, rude and pathetic!.

Fortunately for the ones of us that still believe in virtues that define beauty, I know you are not among us, this week Miss World from China had an extremely clean and well done show, all the time inside the rules of mutual respect and moreover protocol, and I am glad for that, it saves the week in this subject, it is great to see that Miss Spain Mireia Lalaguna became Miss World in a crystalline event.

The Colombian girl in Miss world was not among the finalists, but that is not what it matters here, what really counts is none of the girls in the competion at Sanya was exposed to the horrendus fiasco we saw happening in Las Vegas. Definitively China will show standards of quality control in the production of Miss World that are astronomically distant of what we saw with this Miss Universe pegeant 2015.

Now, I am not born in Colombia but I love America enough to present in the name of the millions of respectful gentlemen that in this country still believe in all what is beautiful and clean an apology to Miss Gutierrez in the name of the entire country for this horrible mess she lived here, please give us the opportunity at future to show you that what Harvey and Hilton did this week are extremely poor examples of our culture.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

Actually I thought she showed dignity that was until I read the post you put up. Odd that she should put question marks in her response as if she doubted the fact miss phillupines was the winner. Making ne rethink my opinion if her. However that aside my post was about how columbians themselves are handling this. Trying to make it out to be a racial issue. And posting videos with wild claims that happened on alive stage. I don't consider Steve Harvey to be a lier in fact quite the ipisit have a lot of respect for him. So I find it funny when he apologized trust me he screwed up. Mistakes happen however others want to turn this into some kind of vendetta. In your case against trump who has nothing to do with the pageant and others racist as if Hispanic wemen has never won beauty contests. My god they lost for once it must be a conspiracy

a reply to: dragonridr

Excuse me Dragonridr, with all respect, you can't deny the public attacks from Donald Trump, who was the only owner of the Miss Universe Pegeant until less than six months ago, against the previous Colombian Miss Universe Paulina Vega.

He even requested her to resign, just because she said that it was so much unfair the irresponsible racial statements of Mr Trump against the Hispanic community in America.

The reaction of the Colombians is not exaggerated it is simply the logical consequence of such so aggressive Anti Hispanic Crusade of this Republican precandidate. Colombians are among the Latin Americans with highest intellectual level, so when Trump started his attacks against the Mexicans they were smart enough to guess that he will cover so soon all the Hispanic community with it.

Mr Trump didnt stop in to attack all the Mexicans and Miss Universe 2014, he also has attacked in this campaign Mrs Carly Fiorina, Univision, the Muslim community and also the wife of Mr Jeb Bush, just only since she is Mexican American.

So please don't come here to blame the people to react toward extremely suspicious situations, when a lot of abnormal and irregular things have occurred in the country along this last six months against entire ethnical groups and also against women, coming always from the same source.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness