Miss Universe 2015 crowning moments horrendous fiasco, why this so weird double Trump?.

The Peace of God to All that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

Here it is the complete sequence of the footage of the moments that constitute one of the worst scandals ever occurred in Miss Universe pegeant, when in less than 5 minutes we have two different winners ( Colombia and Phillipines) , both formally declared, crowned and also walked as the most beautiful woman of the Universe.

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This is what Miss Germany expressed openly on the way the situation ran in Las Vegas, she is not satisfied with the result and it seems her voice is not isolated, it was evident that about 90% of the contestants decided to support Columbia, who was originally crowned Miss Universe 2015, and not the supposed last minute winner Miss Phillipines.

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Who was robbed Miss Colombia or Miss Phillipines?

Let us examine the facts to see intriguing facts that project a shadow of doubt in the transparency of this so famous and prestigious Beauty contest.

First let me underline that It is remarkable the self control, calm, composture and serenity exhibited by Miss Columbia Ariadna Gutiérrez Arévalo in one of the most challenging moments of her life and also in a situation that is absolutely shocking to experience.

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I am a fan of Miss Universe since a chid but this time it is difficult to accept that such a mistake was possible and that we are really seeing a fair result.

A sequence of the decisive moments is also running in the web showing what seems to be a change of card of last minute, apparently after an original card was already used to make public the result, this in between members of the jury and the master of ceremony.

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We saw all that the Master of ceremony took enough time to cool himself to give in public the veredict, so how in the world he could made a mistake when he didnt just give the resut but shouted it in such a way to the entire auditory????.

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It is simply unacceptable that Steve Harvey committed a mistake reading the name of the winner when even in the card he showed to the cameras the winner name that supposedly was written there appeared isolated in the right side in bigger fonts.

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The mistake of tonight, corrected about three mins after it was supposedly committed, has all the appareance of a plot finely planned by somebody with a lot of power to humiliate a nation whose second Miss universe defied his racists claims in public.

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I am afraid that Colombia and Latin America have learnt tonight how dangerous, dam, and dishonest Mr. Donald Trump could be, how are his dirty coward and cynical methods not only to insult, but to prepare his revange to whoever dares to defy his power.

This is a painful lesson that all the Hispanic community in America must learn to move us to react firmly against this American Hitler, to do all the best of ourselves to stop this corrupt , megalomaniac and machiavelian man to be the next President of the USA,

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Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

Trump? I blame Obama

The judges were right there and the outcome isn't weird but the human error of the host was

I'd agree us election are all computerized and fixed though

Making beauty pageants way more democratic than what's left of the American democratic republic

a reply to: The angel of light

hahahahahaha are you kidding? You think Donald Trump rigged a miss universe contest to get back at Colombia? Isn't his issue with Mexicans. American Hitler lol I do think you protest to much. He has had an issue with some Spanish tv station Univision I think but to take it out on miss Colombia makes no sense. Even if it was a snub at Latinos its a beauty contest.OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The world will end forever!

seriously ms Colombia who lost took it with more grace then you! She is a true sport and will likely see more fame then the winner.

63 years of Miss Universe and not one winner who wasn't from Earth. This contest is obviously rigged; why does anyone care about it?

a reply to: The angel of light

Correct me if I'm wrong but the runner up is always announced first. As for who was robbed it was miss philipines she had her moment stolen from her I feel very sad for her.

So Trump paid Steve Harvey to do a 'fooled ya' if there ended up to be a latina runner up (which is usually the case unless a latina wins?)?

Would not put it past a comedian/actor doing so and pulling it off as a mistake to spite Univision for refusing to air Miss Universe now that Trump is spewing anti-immigrant outlooks

a reply to: Plantagenet

Hi dear Plantegenet:

Not necesarily, the things are not so simple as you try to portrait, there are many different possible scenarios in which this may happen that are not following the so naive explanation of an error reading a so clear card of results as the one He had in his hands, lets check some.

Again here is the card that Steave Harvey showed to the cameras and that he "mistakenly read".

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Please judge by yourselves how likely is to committ such an error? if the card is really the one he had when he declared Colombia the winner it is quite evident that something else was running in his mind, than to just read it.

Here there are 3 possibilities that are even more feasible than the claim of error he used to explian his attitude.

1) The card he read is not the one showed later, something that is not impossible, if you check the images I have already posted in my first reply, showing a strange exchange of cards with the members of the Jury.

2) He intentionaly did the wrong thing to later humilate Colombia following a machievalian plan somebody else made, a part with enough power to influence in his actions.

3) He knew something about a plot against The Colombian contestant and tried to save the night, but was finally overthrown by the judges. This last case scenario even put him more in the role of look like hero than of villain.

Of course you or anybody else can eat the explanation he gave, but one thing is what he said with words and one other very different with his body expression.


Thanks for your replies.

The Angel of Lightness

Trump wasn't in control of it. He sold the rights to it months ago so he had no control over any of it.

a reply to: mOjOm

Really Dear mOjOm? that is what he has said publically, but there is enough evidence that points in another very different direction.

Let me explain you why?

The Eric Trump foundation website reveals Mr. Laurence Glick, Vicepresident of of Strategic Development for The Trump Organization was appointed Co-President, Trump Entertainment, by Donald J. Trump, to identify viable television programming and projects in conjunction with William Morris Endeavor Entertainment, LLC, the current owners of the Miss Universe pegeant Contest.

That gives us an idea of how distant is Donald Trump of what happened Yesterday at Night in Las Vegas, Nevada. This of course besides the well known influence he had in that city, given the fact that he owns casinos that move a lot of money there.

Pls read:

www.erictrumpfoundation.com...

No body is denying here that It was said in the media, which is generally known in many occasions to be biased by economic interests, that Donald Trump sold Miss Universe contest on September of this Year.

Neverthelss, it seems all what have actually occurred is just an operation of Making up of his investments on that corporation in order to let him to continue either profiting or still controling or influencing anonymously it, so smartly removing the apparent obstacles that prevented it to continue being promoted in the Hispanic Tv.

Trump does need to be so evident to do this, to think that should be to understimate him, after all he is clearly a business animal, of the same genre of JR Ewing.

Pls read:
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Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: dragonridr

No Dear dragonridr, check the footage of the 2014 crowning night, the one in which Paulina Vega, also Colombian, was the winner, the order was Miss Universe before the first runner up.

Pls check:

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Now, if you check previous versions of this contest you can verify that the Miss Universe title winner is normally anounced before the first runner up, that has been the protocol for years in the crowning ceremony, and the card showed in Cameras suggest the contrary.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Why is this a subject here??? Seriously? This is Enquier and Daily Mail fodder.

a reply to: The angel of light

Fine. I'm not really going to argue about it. I don't really care. Even if it was some secret plan of Trumps to ruin it, I don't care that much. In fact, if he secretly sabotaged it, it wouldn't even surprise me that he'd sink to that level. But I don't think he did. I think it was just a mistake and I feel bad for Miss. Columbia too actually. She handled it with style though and I think that says a lot about her.

a reply to: mOjOm

Well dear mOjOm,

What Miss Colombia Ariadna Gutierrez-Arevalo did Yesterday at night is not less brave and admirable than what Paulina Vega did, being Miss Universe, to be able to confront and publically critizise the openly racist statements used with so much cynicism and opportunism in the mediocre antihispanic rhetoric of Donald Trump in this 2015.

Both women have shown to the world why Colombia is a country in which women always have demonstrate great character, apart of their unquestionable beauty.

Many people use to refer to Colombia remembering its great men, like the authors Gabriel Garcia-Marquez, Alvaro Mutis, Jorge Isaacs, Porfirio Barba-jacob, Guillermo Valencia or Jose Asuncion Silva,
Great Politicians and Statemen as the two ASO General Secretaries Alberto Lleras-Camargo and Cesar Gaviria-Trujillo, or the two Presidents of the General Assambly of the UN Eduardo Zuleta-Angel and Indalecio Lievano-Aguirre, or its great biologists or physicians like Rodofo Llinas, Manuel Elkin Patarroyo, Alfonso Caycedo, Jose Ignacio Barraquer or Francisco Jose de Caldas, but Colombia has had, as well, women of great merits since centiuries ago.

What Mrs Ariada Gutierrez and Mrs Pauline Vega showed at so much young age to the world in this 2015 is part of a tradition of leadership of Colombian women that can be traced back to Great writers like Sor Josefa del Castillo y Guevara, Clara Mercedes Arango, Margarita Mejia, PIlar Quintana, Carolina Sanin, Gabriela Arciniegas, Heros of the independence of that country like Policarpa Salavarrieta, Antonia Santos, Manuela Saenz, or the coragous politicians like the Cacica Gaytana, an aborigin Queen that confronted fiercely the conquest of the country by the spaniards, or the Ministers like Esmerald Arboleda, Maria Stella Sanin, Clara Emma Mejia and Noemi Sanin.

Francisco de Orellana was quite right when he decided to call this land, in his historic discovering trip of XVI century ,along the Putumayo and the Amazon rivers, the Amazonas Kingdom, intrigued by the great authority and charisma of the women of the country, after he realized that they were the ones ruling the prehispanic societies and not the men.

Pls read:

www.eldoradocolombia.com...

it was the great personality and tremendous sense of dignity of the Colombian women what Donald Trump miscalculated when he dared to launch his weird campaign against the Hispanic community of America.


Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: GrantedBail

That is a very interesting question Dear GrantedBail, I actually launched the thread in the General Conspiracy forum, it was not my decision to had it in this particular forum.

The only reason that can come to my head right now to try to understand why it was moved to this place is perhaps that the what happened Yesterday at night more than a human error reading a results card look as the action of somebody out of his mind.

Why I am so straight forward in to say this? Well, Miss Phillipines as any other person deserves respect, but the way she reacted when she was informed about the supposed error says more than any word, her expression of skepticism was absolutely overwhelming, but moreover she knows very deep in her mind that she is far to be the most beautiful woman of the contest, and please dont even mention the possibility that she is the most beautiful of the world.

Her modeling skills, her English fluency and her extraordinary ability to tranform herself through means of make up and colored contact lenses are far to be attributes to surpass the beauty of Miss Colombia and even let me say of a lot of other contestants in Las Vegas, if you feel I am so much brutal to say this just check how she actually looks at natural, without any cosmetic resources:

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Miss Phillipines has excess of sofisticate qualities to be awarded Miss Actress, Miss illusion, Miss Popularity, Miss Cosmetology or Miss artificiality but it is lack of respect to many other girls in that contest to crown her Miss Universe 2015. Beauty is a much more natural talent, not this convergence of tricks to arrange a person.

Who lost more with this terrible fiasco of Las Vegas 2015 ? it was not Miss Colombia beauty contest by sure, it is of course the credibility of Miss Universe Pegeant, that is the sad balance of this incident.

I think your question is focusing a very important aspect of this thread, there is no really American Electoral politics madness here, there are many really serious aspects in this discussion that deserve to be considered with sensate analysis and deep meditation.

i respect the decision taken to bring the thread here, although I dont understand it, and I sincerely hope that Donald Trump does not have power to influence in which forum this discussion must appear in ATS.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

At first I wondered if it was intentionally done to add extra drama to the ending. Having seen the card on closer inspection, it could have been a genuine mistake. Look at the way the card was designed. From a graphic design point of view, the layout and wording is awful.

The winner is usually in 1st place, the card shows on the left side (the more prominent side the brain will look at for information) shows 2nd runner up then 1st runner up in smallish text, but what stands out to the eye is not the words runner up, but the numbers 1 and 2. Yes there is very large text bottom right, a place the eye would look last on a page, not saying 'winner' but just the title of the contest, which could have been dismissed as just the title of the contest and nothing more. Additionally the winner is printed in the same small text as the runners up, which due to being dwarfed by the text above, becomes even less significant to the eye and is almost ignored. Add to the mix the lighting, which is designed to highlight the person on stage, not the card face, the tension in the room and possible nerves of the presenter who is also trying to build up the suspense.

Think about it, if you had a product to sell, wanting that product to be the one thing that stands out to the reader, you would never put it in the bottom right corner in small text size below dwarfing other informational text and in the same font and colour as other less important text. So, I would say the fault lies with the card design/designers. Now whether the card was deliberately designed that way, is another question.

I am amazed of the implications you made in your OP and the effort you put into this.

But seriously ...there was a lesson to learn that evening? oO

I did learn from your thread that the event even took place ... and the thought that Trump could be interessted in manipulating this is ...far fetched? Is this really that big of a deal (for women)?

ATS sinking to new lows when we are discussing beauty pageants

I wonder what else we can blame on Trump....
Instead of calling him a racists, lets start blaming him outright for racism as a whole!
People are getting crazy

a reply to: The angel of light

I am afraid that Colombia and Latin America have learnt tonight how dangerous, dam, and dishonest Mr. Donald Trump could be, how are his dirty coward and cynical methods not only to insult, but to prepare his revange to whoever dares to defy his power.

So what was the beef between Trump and Colombia?