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Adolf Hitler And The Freemasons

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posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 04:28 AM

Hitler's criticism of prussianism seems to be inspired from the image of the "weak" kaiser Wilhelm II, and his sympathy for parlamentarianism (which Hitler despised above all else). The original foundations of prussian social ordering, rule through fear of death, were taken over as one of the central doctrines of naziism...

posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 04:54 AM
I understand what you are saying and to a point agree but it's also like saying that Ayatollah Khomenie inherited his way of ruling by fear from the Shah of Iran.
The thing is, although there may have been some threat to the people from the previous government, the new government had already decided long before for itself that terror was the way to control it's population.

If you haven't read it and are interested in the subject, find an online copy of Mein Kampf. In my opinion, it is a work of genius - albeit twisted genius. I believe that it laid the groundwork for a lot of the genocidal regimes that have existed since WW2. The philosphy that Hitler laid down has been followed to the letter by many who oppress their people. Wether this was because Hitler recognised that this was the way man naturally evolves to control others or if his work was actually adapted and used as a blueprint by evil dictatorships is questionable. But if you can understand what Hitler was saying, you should be able to understand a lot more about how things work in the world today. Like it or not, it was probably the most influential book of the 20th century and fundamental in shaping the way we live now.

posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 06:55 AM
Are you saying then that we live in a far more communistic are National Socialistic world than people realise? If so is that a good thing? Do you applaud Hitler or oppose Hitler? Was Hitler really defeated? Was Hitler really castrated? Did Hitler really die are was he protected in some secret place?

I'm of the opinion that what we hear in the media is totaly biased to swing public opinion however they wish it to be. In fact an entire false world can be created in the media. The," Hitler killed six million jews", could have been completely created in the media to cause fear in the U.S.

I could make an ignorant assumption that I oppose Hitler based on what the public knows about him and his way of doing things but It probably would not be based on facts.

posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 07:15 AM
I despise Hitler and everything he stood for. He promised freedom in chains.

I believe he was a man who managed to trick a nation into following him by use of clever manipulation. Unfortunately, he arrived on the scene when the German national psyche was at it's easiest to control. Germans were desperate for anyone to show leadership and drag their country out of the mire. Inter-war Germany was a mess and in effect, leaderless. All it took was someone with a sellable plan and the visible conviction to carry it through, and the German people bought it.

I don't believe that Hitler lived through the war. I don't believe in the vast majority of conspiracies surrounding him either. But I do believe that he left a legacy in his work. As I stated earlier, some of his ideas have been plainly put into practice throughout the world, but wethr or not this is coincidence and those ideas would have naturally evolved anyway, is open to question.
It must be remembered that not all of Hitler's philosophy was original. As ML has stated, he drew some ideas from Nietsche, and he seems to have been heavily influenced by Marx as well.

You also have to remember that for a while, Hitler was a hero - both home and abroad. For the first half of his reign, he was considered to be a great leader and admired by all. If he hadn't started looking further afield outside his borders, who knows how long he could have held onto power? Certainly the grip he had over the Geman people would not have ended without outside intervention. The first half of his Chancellorship could even be said to be an example of how to run a country well if looked upon with the eyes of a child. There is the distinct possibility that Hitler's philosophy has been put into action and is still working in many places throughout the world. It's not noticed though, because people only associate him with War and the Holocaust. They fail to look at the control methods that he used, the way in which he exerted his authority and his more subtle goals. But if you take a look at propaganda, economics and the zealous safeguarding of individual national interests of some states, there do seem to be places which adhere to the same philosophy that is found in Mein Kampf.

posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 11:58 PM
Wow - how can so many misinformed people gather in the one place at one time?

We've managed to get the whole BS story about Thule not being masonic(Dispite being formed and run by a grand master of German Fremasonry), Hitler wanting to kill masons (for what reason I have no idea...) the blue for-get-me-not pin (actually the "Winter Helfe" badge of 1939) etc..etc...etc...

How many of you in this forum are actually deliberately lying and how many are just nodding along to sound like you have an opinion?

A good link for the Thule topic is:
(or run a Google - many people are taking an interest in the Thule Society of late)
and of course there's buckets on the subject at FW.

posted on Jan, 9 2005 @ 01:13 AM

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Wow - how can so many misinformed people gather in the one place at one time?

Check out these sites...

Hitler wanting to kill masons (for what reason I have no idea...)

Hitler, in his own words:
"To strengthen his political position he [the Jew] tries to tear down the racial and civil barriers which for a time continue to restrain him at every step. To this end he fights with all the tenacity innate in him for religious toleranceand in Freemasonry, which has succumbed to him completely, he has an excellent instrument with which to fight for his aims and put them across. The governing circles and the higher strata of the political and economic bourgeoisie are brought into his nets by the strings of Freemasonry, and never need to suspect what is happening.
"Only the deeper and broader strata of the people as such, or rather that class which is beginning to wake up and fight for its rights and freedom, cannot yet be sufficiently taken in by these methods. But this is more necessary than anything else; for the Jew feels that the possibility of his rising to a dominant role exists only if there is someone ahead of him to clear the way; and this someone he thinks he can recognize in the bourgeoisie, in their broadest strata in fact. The glovemakers and linen weavers, however, cannot be caught in the fine net of Freemasonry; no, for them coarser but no less drastic means must be employed. Thus Freemasonry is joined by a second weapon in the service of the Jews: the press. With all his perseverance and dexterity he seizes possession of it. With it he slowly begins to grip and ensnare, to guide and to push all public life, since he is in a position to create and direct that power which, under the name of 'public opinion,' is better known today than a few decades ago."

"While the international world Jew slowly but surely strangles us, our so-called patriots shouted against a man and a system which dared in one corner of the earth at least, to free themselves from the Jewish-Masonic embrace and oppose a nationalistic resistance to this international world poisoning."

"The general pacifistic paralysis of the national instinct of self preservation begun by Freemasonry in the circles of the so-called intelligentsia is transmitted to the broad masses and above all to the bourgeoisie by the activity of the big papers which today are always Jewish."

"The prohibition of Masonic secret societies, the persecution of the supra-national press as well as the continuous demolition of international Marxism, and, conversely, the steady reinforcement of the Fascist state conception, will in the course of the years cause the Italian Government to serve the interests of the Italian people more and more, without regard for the hissing of the Jewish world hydra."

Mein Kampf, Adolph Hitler [1889/04/20 - 1945/04/30]. trans. Ralph Manheim. Sentry Edition, Eleventh printing. Boston, Houghton Mifflin Company: n.d. c1925. Verlag Frz. Eher Nachf, G.M.B.H.
p. 314-15.
p. 465.
p. 320
p. 637.

and of course there's buckets on the subject at FW.

FW seems to be down right now but I didn't really think I could find reliable documentation anyhow.

posted on Jan, 9 2005 @ 06:54 AM
Nice piece of misinformation and wordplay that you've posted there Necros.

Read your link again.

It say that the Thule society had a "similar structure to Freemasonry". Not that it was masonic.
Coffee and tea are similar in that they are both beverages, but they aren't the same thing are they?
Or did the blast wave from your toilet scramble your logic?

posted on May, 14 2007 @ 08:14 PM

Originally posted by orangeman dave
to masonic light and leveller is the forget me not story that i posted true, i have heard this on many occassions but wish to know if fellow masons have heard the same story?

I have heard the same by several of our WW2 Vets in my lodge, about the forget me nots.

posted on May, 14 2007 @ 09:14 PM
Hmm old old thread...

Forget me nots:

From this thread. Questions about Freemasonry

From myself---

The Blue forget-me-not was worn by ANY Mason under German, Austrian, Italian control that wished to be defiant.

Apparantly the plan came about when Masons where arrested for wearing a square and compass on their chest, Masons who continued to be defiant and wear the squar and compass where often beaten, captured and forced into camps or simply killed..

Those who made it into camps found it difficult to create a square and compass, it was also very noticable.. in the end from an unknown source someone proposed the forget me not as a way to defiantly stand out against the Nazi and FAscist powers and declare them selves Masons to their brothers so as "the light of Masonry" would not be snuffed by the tyranical government of Germany.

In public it was sometimes worn as well for both rememberance of those now lost, but also because of it being illegal to wear the squar and compas...

EH could not find out how "wide spread" but I believe it was a general use betwen 1933 - 1947..

[edit on 5/14/2007 by Rockpuck]

posted on May, 14 2007 @ 10:30 PM
yes, this is all crazy. Hitler had it out for the Masons, he was not down with the brotherhood.

there's a list of examples showing how the Nazis were prosecuting the Freemasons, and Hitler formed the SS in part to weed out the Masons in his inner circle.

posted on May, 14 2007 @ 10:56 PM

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Wow - how can so many misinformed people gather in the one place at one time?

We've managed to get the whole BS story about Thule not being masonic(Dispite being formed and run by a grand master of German Fremasonry), Hitler wanting to kill masons (for what reason I have no idea...) the blue for-get-me-not pin (actually the "Winter Helfe" badge of 1939) etc..etc...etc...

How many of you in this forum are actually deliberately lying and how many are just nodding along to sound like you have an opinion?

A good link for the Thule topic is:
(or run a Google - many people are taking an interest in the Thule Society of late)
and of course there's buckets on the subject at FW.

Read your own link.

It does not say that the Thule society is/was Masonic.

There is a mountain of evidence in this thread alone which contradicts your interesting point of view.

Have you ever seriously considered that you may be completely wrong about the whole thing?

No, you haven't. That's why your head remains firmly in the sand and your heels firmly dug into the ground.

Anyway, best of luck in your search for truth... when you actually start searching.

posted on May, 15 2007 @ 01:52 AM
Masonic Light and you other overt/covert Masons know this:I'm onto you!

How dare you use logic, reason and evidence to present the truth!

Great post Masonic Light!
Another blow to ignorance and knee-jerk anti-Masonry!

posted on May, 15 2007 @ 04:52 AM
All of this 'Hitler this' and 'Hitler that'....let me see some quotes...Hitler, Chamberlain, Churchill, out some written documents that were written during WWII....someone show some gumption and INVESTIGATE.

I did. I was surprised at what I found. No heroes and no villians. A bunch of lies and coverups, yes...but a dead person has no way or reason to cover anything up....FDR died right before Hitler took his exit.

How long did Churchill live after that?

Find out whose words stood consistently and then find out whose words kept contradicting their yesterday's statements.

Mein Kampf was written while Hitler was young and in prison...and his views were not radical. Study the history of the jews all over the world...and study their time in Germany.

If you like the it, too. Hitler = Nebuchadnezzar

I have nothing at all against Jews or any group for that matter. BUT I do have a problem with any one people being 'chosen.' Chosen to serve, yes...but not chosen as favorites...

I doubt anyone will take my challenge but still if I have a chance to come back in a day or two I will set the record straight as best as I understand - with citations both double checked and impartial...because I have done my homework on this and I'm getting sick of all the assumptions and blame game about holocaust is just as bad as the 911 dis-ease.

Time for truth to come out.
And not because I say so but because it IS time.

bye for now

posted on May, 15 2007 @ 07:25 AM
Queen Annie

Tthough we may differ on some points, I agree with your implication regarding Hitler. I am currently engaged in my own research and theories with regard to this matter, as a work in progress I have not formed a cohesive argument and I am still rooting through document archives but I do know that Hitler was not the man history has written him to be. Hitler was selected to represent the Nazis, he was deemed the appropriate figure head to lead the new Germany. Mein Kampf as you say is a naive piece of work. Not to mention largely incoherent, that it is even remotely ordered is down to Hess to whom Hitler dictated the majority. In quick time this book was published and translated into various languages. Did Hitler really have the power and ability to do this - no - but he had friends that did.

Hitler was the man of the people - the veterans hero following the Putsch, alliance with Hitler was required to tame the military elements of the right. Weimar Germany was turbulent politically, once the left had been eradicated, the right began their selection of the fittest. The fittness had already been proved to be based on ruthless anhillation of all opposition. For survival more moderate socialists and nationalist formed alli

Churchill was for me, the only man who could have effectively run the war for Britain. He did so with fierce determination and absolutely loyalty for Britain. This said, he had had a varied career, travelled the world, was present at the siege of Ladysmith early in his journo/adventuristic career. Howver, this said in a 1910

posted on May, 15 2007 @ 09:37 PM
I'm game.

What exactly IS your challenge though?

posted on May, 16 2007 @ 12:21 PM
A while ago I wrote a lengthy post about the thule society and thier connection to skull and bones. The society is wholeheartedly anti-masonic. here is that link, plus some lnks I used in my original posting.

The society has occult connections and I would call it a Neo-pagan society. Their symbolism is rather similar to a "saturnalian cult." This may be why the Jews were forced to wear the "star of david" or star of saturn. Their belief is that saturn is the great leveler. He will punnish ignorance and reward heroism. Thule took snippets of logic from philosophers and mythologies, then they basiclly formed thier own ideas of what was the right thing to do. I would credit Thule and the NAZI regime with the advent of amphetamines and benzodiazapines for use by the soldiers to give them "superhuman" abilities on the front lines. The society also claimed the capability to use magic to resurrect the dead. Hence the NAZI memorial to the Pureblood aryans, who died and were resurrected, this became an unbeliveable source of power for the society and the regime. Hitler carried around a flag staind with ther blood, and it was said that simply touching the flag would give immense power to that individual. This is just one example of what you can do with the process of belief.

[edit on 16-5-2007 by Eyeofhorus]

posted on May, 16 2007 @ 12:26 PM
Anyone who has read Hitler's speeches knows that Hitler was very,very anti-Masonic. No, Hitler was not a Mason.

posted on May, 16 2007 @ 12:28 PM

Originally posted by orangeman dave
Hitler was a Catholic, as was Himmler.

True, at one point in Hitler's life, he actually considered being a priest, at least according to John Hagee, for whatever that is worth.

[edit on 16-5-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

posted on May, 16 2007 @ 12:35 PM

The Thule Society

Heinrich Himmler was a member of the Thule Society, an extreme German nationalist group founded in 1910 by Felix Niedner. It was named after the mythical land of Hyperborea-Thule, which some of the society's devotees identified with Iceland and Greenland, said by them to be the remnants of the lost kingdom of Atlantis. Others claimed that the people of Thule had survived to become a subterranean super-race. They were brought to life by the English novelist Edward Bulwer-Lytton, in his 1871 science fiction novel The Coming Race, as the 'Vril-ya', would-be world conquerors imbued with psychokinetic power (vril).

At the turn of the century, the notion of the Ubermensch (superman) was taken up by many philosophers, notably Friedrich Nietzsche. It also found favour with the peddlers of a perverted form of Darwinism: another Englishman, the philosopher Houston Stewart Chamberlain, believed in the racial superiority of the 'Aryan' people who inhabited northern Europe.

This struck a chord with the Thule Society. Its members identified the Teuton tribes who, in AD 9, had defeated the Roman legions in the Teutoburg forest as descendants of the lost super-race of Hyperborea-Thule, guardians of the secrets of vril.

I can find nothing that connects Felix Niedner with freemasonry.

posted on May, 17 2007 @ 10:09 AM
Wow, some of you anti-Masons seem awfully "sure" of yourselves.

Ahem,Ahem, hear ye, hear ye.

Hitler's speech in Berlin, Zeughaus

England and France alone wanted war - not so much the people as a thin stratum of political and financial leadership behind which, wielding its last power, stood international Jewry and its world conspiracies of democracy and Freemasonry.
Adolf Hitler Hitler was NOT a Mason

That comment does not sound like he was particularly fond of Freemasonry to me. Anti-Masons are just spreading more uninformed drivel in their posts.

[edit on 17-5-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

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