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posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:23 PM
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Newnature1, where is all your scriptural proof for all this stuff?

Are you just parroting someone else that you have been reading and not the Bible?




posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Newnature1, where is all your scriptural proof for all this stuff?

Are you just parroting someone else that you have been reading and not the Bible?



I use context and history! Maybe one should study up. See how deep the trinity glue has affected God's Word.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:41 PM
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a reply to: newnature1
I just read the preserved word of God. I don't trust men when it comes to Biblical issues I trust in God and his preserved word to teach. Nothing more nothing less/



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1

Paul first called the followers Christians in Antioch Caesarea.

Acts 11:25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: 26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 26:26For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner. 27King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest. 28Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. 29And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds. 30And when he had thus spoken, the king rose up, and the governor, and Bernice, and they that sat with them:


Sound like Paul knew a lot more about Christians than you give him credit for.


Paul was never about starting a new religion. There’s no “Christianity” in Paul’s letters. There are no “Christians” in Paul’s letters. You can’t find the word. You can’t find the concept.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1
I just read the preserved word of God. I don't trust men when it comes to Biblical issues I trust in God and his preserved word to teach. Nothing more nothing less/



It is not that people cannot see the truth, it is more the fact that they do not want to see the truth. To be open to that which moves a person from the mental comfort zone to which that person has become accustomed becomes not only an unsettling inconvenience, it becomes a mind-shaking threat to many people. It is easier for these people to remain firmly entrenched in a false system of belief than it is to expose the pride-nature to the possibility of having been wrong and especially for the possibility of having been wrong for many, many years.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: newnature1

Any gypsies in there? Or you just left them out and portrayed that the Greeks are the ones who made it all?
You missing the whole zoroastrism part? How about that burning bush..?

The greeks are a disgusting people, who does nothing but glorify themselves in ancient lies..

ALEXANDER WAS MACEDONIAN



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:55 PM
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The followers of the Nicene Creed even added to the book of Hebrews. Here’s how the beginning of Hebrews should look before the got their hands on it. 


They forgot that from of old, Yahweh spoke to the Israelites fathers by the prophets in every manner, and in all ways; but in these later days, Yahweh has conversed with us, by his son; whom Yahweh has constituted heir of all things, and when Yeshua made a purgation of sins, then Yeshua sat down on the right hand of Yahweh. 


Wherefore, my brethren, who are called with a calling that is from heaven, consider this high priest of our profession, Yeshua the Messiah; because Yahweh has said, “O, if you would but heed my charge this day; do not be stubborn as at Meribah, as on the day of Massah, in the wilderness, when your fathers put me to the test, tried me, though they had seen my deeds. 


Forty years I was provoked by that generation; I thought, they are a senseless people; they would not know my ways. Concerning them, I swore in anger, they shall never come to my resting-place!”



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: Anansi
a reply to: newnature1

Any gypsies in there? Or you just left them out and portrayed that the Greeks are the ones who made it all?
You missing the whole zoroastrism part? How about that burning bush..?

The greeks are a disgusting people, who does nothing but glorify themselves in ancient lies..

ALEXANDER WAS MACEDONIAN


The Geeks influenced a lot of the Nicene Creed. See where this lead to? Immortality.

About 300 B.C., a man named Zeno, his philosophy was named Stoicism, after the place where he taught it. His teaching and that of his successors was, like Socrates, more concerned with human conduct than with the nature of the universe. He and his successors taught that only matter exists. There is no pure spirit: mind and body are both material. Even god is material; the universe is his body, and he is its soul. Stoicism, therefore, is a sort of pantheism, the teaching that all is god. Man is related to him as a drop of water is related to the ocean, as a spark is related to the fire out of which is shoots. God as the world-soul governs all things, loves men, and desires what is good for them. Since man is related to god, he should follow where the divine reason, called ‘the logos,’ leads. True wisdom and virtue consist in discovering where god’s path for men lies. The truly human person does not resist god’s leading; he surrenders himself to it however painful this may be, for god loves him. Virtue is one and is undivided. The four greatest qualities of character are wisdom, courage, moderation, and justice. If one lacks just one of these qualities, he lacks them all; if he truly has one, he truly has all. To be free and happy means to know oneself, to know god’s will for oneself, and to live according to the knowledge. Stoicism was religion as well as philosophy.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: newnature1

my mental comfort zone used to be that of reading other men. I had to move and just read the the word of God, then things became much clearer.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: Anansi
a reply to: newnature1

I believe in the Law of Moses and we worship the Virgin Mary, so has my ancestors done before Jesus arrived at your doorsteps and altered the word of being Human to the word of Jesus.. My people are named with the etymylogy, meaning Human, we taught every single one of you KJV heretics never to defile the written law.. Yet you do and worship a Human as your light in the sky.. The Institution of the holy re-established the marked ones by letting us through the doorsteps to the divine which we were banned from..

I can sound really crazy also!

Has something changed? Why, of course it did. So why are people going back to the law program or a time when that law program was in effect and trying to eat from that table? Of course, the majority of fundamental denominationalists believe that God’s new program began at Pentecost, but God’s program with Israel was not set aside until the conversion of Paul. 


The hope for both programs is the same, and that hope is a resurrection from among the dead unto eternal life. Of course, the residential destinations promised the believers of the two programs are entirely different. The earthly calling and the heavenly calling refer to the program to which believers have been called in their destinations.

The expression “The Body of Christ” is an expression denoting the point when God began to judicially join believers his son.


It is amazing that religious teachers would tell people that they have got that sin, and they preach a message to make people fell guilty about the indwelling sin, and then they would give those people rules to straighten up from the sin. People want to be saved by grace, and then they want their fellowship with God maintained by rule-keeping. 


The responsibility for keeping the slate clean after salvation would be up to us. If we could do it after salvation, we could have done it before our salvation! If we are not acting saved, we did not get saved, is the idea that is being promoted. The predicament of sin is that no person can escape it, and no person can beat it, there is not any fixing the sin-nature, the flesh cannot be repaired.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: newnature1
Again a corrupt text you are reading from shows the differences.


Heb 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 ¶ Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


you do know that appointed and constituted are two totally different things. Things that are not the same are not equal.

You also left out "the express image of his person" this is important to the whole Godhead issue. Jesus was the express image of God.

Also Jesus was no where in the text of verse 3, it is strange that you or some text you quote added it. Remember the three warnings not to add to the word of God in Duet, Psalms and Revelation.

then a great number of preserved verses not to mention a whole chapter are missing from the text you quote this in itself is revealing that you don't believe God kept his promise to preserve his word to every generation as he said he would in Psalm 12:6.7.

If God cannot preserve his word as promised then he cannot be trusted or believed upon.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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originally posted by: Anansi
Geez this thread became a nuthouse, the glue is faith nothing else, the other parts of the trinity is "concept and Institution"

Next part you need to make the concept into a paradigm or dogma which last for a couple of centuries at least, you need the institutions to teach the concept to the broader masses, which sooner or later becomes a faith in whatever s*** you want the masses to think is reality..

Jesus taught the message of humanity.. Did Jesus exist no idea but there was a man who was called his brother named James, who actually were a priest who got murdered who taught the message of "take a guess?"

religion/religio = to bind/ or to go through again

But i know you like Aliens, Nibiru, Area 51, Hollow moon, Vampires and all the other stuff more.. Make a story with that instead... geez


Paul went on to tell us that the person who would have righteousness freely attributed to their account, is the person who has believed something, and it is an issue Paul said of faith from two different perspectives, “from faith to faith.” The first “faith” in that expression is a reference to the faith OF, or belonging to Christ himself. 


So it was ultimately Christ’s faith that allowed God’s justice to remain intact, as God declares an unrighteous believer to be righteous. You see, apart from Christ’s faith and his faithfulness to carry out the Father’s will based on that faith, there would not be anyone perfectly righteous to whom God could join a believing sinner.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1
I just read the preserved word of God. I don't trust men when it comes to Biblical issues I trust in God and his preserved word to teach. Nothing more nothing less/


After God gave up on the nations, God experiments with a single individual of believing; Abraham’s believing withstands many a trial. God is the owner of the land, Abraham was called to. God is empowered to set conditions or residency requirements for those who would reside in it, like a landlord. God is seeking replacement tenants who are going to follow the moral rules of residence that God has established for his land. God’s promise to Abraham is formalized in a ritual ceremony called a suzerainty covenant. 


The patriarchical covenant, which is a covenant in which a superior party, a suzerain dictates the terms of a political treaty usually, and an inferior party obeys them. The arrangement primarily serves the interest of the suzerain, and not the vassal or the subject. So God is making a land grant to a favored subject, and there’s an ancient ritual that ratifies the oath. In this kind of covenant, the parties to the oath would pass between the split carcass of a sacrificial animal, as if to say, that they agree they will suffer the same fate as this animal, if they violate the covenant. 


Abraham cuts sacrificial animals in two, and God, but only God, passes between the two halves. Only God seems to be obligated by the covenant, obligated to fulfill the promise that he’s made. Abraham doesn’t appear to have any obligation in return. In this case, it is the subject, Abraham, and not the suzerain, God, who is benefited by this covenant, and that’s a complete reversal of this ritual ceremony. Their is a moral justification for the grant of land to Abraham, the current inhabitants of the land are polluting it, filling it with bloodshed and idolatry. And when the land becomes so polluted, completely polluted, it will spew out its inhabitants.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:06 AM
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a reply to: newnature1

I am an individual.

No sacrificial plan applies to me except that of Jesus blood shed for my forgiveness of sin and the redemption of my soul.


edit on 21-12-2015 by ChesterJohn because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:11 AM
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a reply to: newnature1
True



Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


But that person must exercise faith never the less.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1
Again a corrupt text you are reading from shows the differences.


Heb 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 ¶ Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


you do know that appointed and constituted are two totally different things. Things that are not the same are not equal.

You also left out "the express image of his person" this is important to the whole Godhead issue. Jesus was the express image of God.

Also Jesus was no where in the text of verse 3, it is strange that you or some text you quote added it. Remember the three warnings not to add to the word of God in Duet, Psalms and Revelation.

then a great number of preserved verses not to mention a whole chapter are missing from the text you quote this in itself is revealing that you don't believe God kept his promise to preserve his word to every generation as he said he would in Psalm 12:6.7.

If God cannot preserve his word as promised then he cannot be trusted or believed upon.


God could only grant a gift decree of the very righteousness of Jesus Christ, to those God would be joining to his son, this is why our faith in Christ’s faithfulness is essential. There are people in the church, the overall visible church today, that are lost, those who falsely believe they are saved because of the doctrines of this Nicene Creed.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1

I am an individual.

No sacrificial plan applies to me except that of Jesus blood shed for my forgiveness of sin and the redemption of my soul.



History that you must understand, God gave up on the Gentiles. History and context, history and context.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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a reply to: newnature1

that is true but the person of Jesus Christ is still the fullness of the godhead bodily, that is he is God according to the preserved scriptures.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:20 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1
I just read the preserved word of God. I don't trust men when it comes to Biblical issues I trust in God and his preserved word to teach. Nothing more nothing less/


Jesus Christ paid the price necessary to satisfy God’s justice. The world was given a Redeemer and the price the Redeemer paid through the shedding of his blood to ransom the human race was a satisfactory payment to take the sins off the table of God’s justice. 


The fact that Christ became a redeemer of the world, does not mean that the world will accept the gift the Redeemer purchased on their behalf. Christ’s faithfulness was the only faithfulness sufficient to merit God’s favor. God used our faith in Christ’s faithfulness as the means whereby he would credit Christ’s righteousness to our account.


To be justified does not mean to be perfectly righteous in performance. It also does not mean to become perfectly righteous or even more righteous in performance through time. It means having Christ’s perfect righteousness freely credited to the account of the ungodly who believe. 


Our justification was something accomplished for us by God’s grace. This gift decree of righteousness comes totally apart from any and all human promise, any or all human performance, or any or all human production. God will never consider our works as a payment for God’s justifying declaration. 


Justification is God’s gift! To say your works have anything at all to do with God’s gift declaration of righteousness is to slap the giver in the face. Remember, we were given our righteous standing as a free gift.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:24 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1

that is true but the person of Jesus Christ is still the fullness of the godhead bodily, that is he is God according to the preserved scriptures.

Pride will not let us swallow our own pill. You see, on one hand traditions die hard, some people are never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, because they fear learning. Knowledge of the truth may cause them to have to change the truth they have been standing on for who knows how long, and that is a frightening thing for lots of people. 


It is a fearful thing to think we may have been wrong all along, much easier for many people to avoid learning then change in mid-stream.

This is history, this did happen. Illustrations of the diversities of early Christianity are many, which are called Christologies. Christologies is what do you believe about Christ: what kind of nature is Jesus Christ? 


We can map out all these differences; when did Jesus become divine according to the gospel of John? He always was. He was with God from the very beginning. Everything was created through him. The beginning of the gospel of John ends up having the Christology that now become Orthodox Christianity. 


Before Jesus was executed, he was recognized as a prophet, he seems to accept himself as a prophet, and it may be that he claimed to be a king or a messiah, but certainly by the time of his execution, some people thought he was a king, because that is the charge on which he was executed. 


The Romans executed Jesus, because at least either he or other people were claiming that he was a king. He is a prophet and he is a king, but does that mean Jesus is divine? No, of course not. 


The Israelites had lots of kings that were not divine. The Israelites had lots of prophets that were not divine. Many modern people get the idea that the word “Christ” or “Messiah” in itself signifies divinity, but it doesn’t. The “Messiah” in Jesus’ day was simply some Israelite figure who would rise up and take over the throne of David and reestablish the kingdom of Israel. 


Calling someone the messiah in the ancient world did not mean that he was divine. Jesus is a prophet; he is even considered the messiah, but that does not make him divine. Some Christians therefore have to make a decision. Is Jesus human and only human? Is Jesus human and divine?




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