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Islamic Immigration is Illegal in the US

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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:33 PM
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You read that correctly. Immigration of those who practice Islam is, by definition of law, illegal in the United States of America.

The Immigration and Nationality Act, passed June 27, 1952, becoming public Law 414 established both the law and the intent of congress regarding immigration of aliens to the United States, and is still in effect today.



(29) Aliens with respect to whom the consular officer or the Attorney General knows or has reasonable ground to believe probably would, after entry, (A) engage in activities which would be prohibited by the laws of the United States relating to espionage, sabotage, public disorder, or in other activity subversive to the national security, (B) engage in any activity a purpose of which is the opposition to, or the control or overthrow of, the Government of the United States, by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means, or (C) join, affiliate with, or participate in the activities of any organization 54 Stat. 993. which is registered or required to be registered under section 7 of the 50 USC 786. Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950;


Islam, as guided by the Koran, Sharia Law, and the Hadith, all require complete submission to Islam, which, by its very definition, is antithetical to the United States government, the Constitution and the Republic. This is not some document created a couple hundred years ago that some might claim no longer applies to modern day circumstances. This is relatively new and has been upheld in court even more recently than the date of its passing in to law.

Public Law 414 has much to say regarding any of a variety of conditions for allowing immigration to this nation. A great many of them apply to this subject, however, for sake of discussion, I limit this thread to Chapter 2, Section 212.

True Islam can not assimilate to western society as it demands all society assimilate to Islam. That is in direct conflict with the law as stated.

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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:37 PM
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True Islam can not assimilate to western society as it demands all society assimilate to Islam.


Chapter 109 of the Glorious Quran contradicts your assertion completely.
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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Interesting that you would say that, so are you truly Islamic? No Ill intent or sarcasm brother I just truly want to know?

Ah, you edited I see my apologies.
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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

Yeah that was my bad, pal.

Slippery phone buttons.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

True Islam can not assimilate to western society as it demands all society assimilate to Islam.


Chapter 109 of the Glorious Quran contradicts your assertion completely.


You are quoting outdated verse. See below...



Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad narrated - hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"There is no compulsion in religion...".


The phrase "no compulsion in religion" refers to each choosing his own path to God, or as the Koran states, "Allah". The last revelations of Muhammed abrogate the earlier scripts.
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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

True Islam can not assimilate to western society as it demands all society assimilate to Islam.


Chapter 109 of the Glorious Quran contradicts your assertion completely.


You are quoting outdated verse. See below...



Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad narrated - hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"There is no compulsion in religion...".


Ok Verse 109 is "outdated" but Verse 8 & 9 are still applicable...


Have fun with your thread that isn't about learning about reality.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

True Islam can not assimilate to western society as it demands all society assimilate to Islam.


Chapter 109 of the Glorious Quran contradicts your assertion completely.


You are quoting outdated verse. See below...



Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad narrated - hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"There is no compulsion in religion...".


Ok Verse 109 is "outdated" but Verse 8 & 9 are still applicable...


Have fun with your thread that isn't about learning about reality.


What 8 and 9 are you talking about? That is not very descriptive. But thank you for acknowledging that your original information was incorrect and meaningless.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

True Islam can not assimilate to western society as it demands all society assimilate to Islam.


Chapter 109 of the Glorious Quran contradicts your assertion completely.


You are quoting outdated verse. See below...



Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad narrated - hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"There is no compulsion in religion...".


Ok Verse 109 is "outdated" but Verse 8 & 9 are still applicable...


Have fun with your thread that isn't about learning about reality.


Wrong again. Actually, this thread IS about learning - about Public Law 414, NOT your incorrect interpretation of the koran. Nor is it here for you to derail with arguments about outdated scripture. It is about Chapter 2, Section 212 of US law regarding immigration. Two posts in and the attempts to derail are already in action... Anything to stop the truth, huh...



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

True Islam can not assimilate to western society as it demands all society assimilate to Islam.


Chapter 109 of the Glorious Quran contradicts your assertion completely.


You are quoting outdated verse. See below...



Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad narrated - hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"There is no compulsion in religion...".


Ok Verse 109 is "outdated" but Verse 8 & 9 are still applicable...


Have fun with your thread that isn't about learning about reality.


What 8 and 9 are you talking about? That is not very descriptive. But thank you for acknowledging that your original information was incorrect and meaningless.


Are you not all there?

You're the one that left excerpts of Verse 8 & 9 simultaneously telling me Verse 109 , which is 100 whole chapters later, was "outdated".

What the hell is wrong with you?

& how is it derailment, exactly?

You said Islam forces assimilation, I proved that wrong with a Quranic Verse and now you're complaining because your pissed that within 1 post your entire OP is found to be hogwash.

Whatever, dude.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

True Islam can not assimilate to western society as it demands all society assimilate to Islam.


Chapter 109 of the Glorious Quran contradicts your assertion completely.


You are quoting outdated verse. See below...



Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad narrated - hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"There is no compulsion in religion...".


Ok Verse 109 is "outdated" but Verse 8 & 9 are still applicable...


Have fun with your thread that isn't about learning about reality.


What 8 and 9 are you talking about? That is not very descriptive. But thank you for acknowledging that your original information was incorrect and meaningless.


Are you not all there?

You're the one that left excerpts of Verse 8 & 9 simultaneously telling me Verse 109 , which is 100 whole chapters later, was "outdated".

What the hell is wrong with you?

& how is it derailment, exactly?

You said Islam forces assimilation, I proved that wrong with a Quranic Verse and now you're complaining because your pissed that within 1 post your entire OP is found to be hogwash.

Whatever, dude.


You are diving to insult pretty early this time. I must have struck a nerve...

It is not just the date that makes it "outdated". It is the fact, which I also showed in my post, that later revelations by muhammed were in direct conflict with the one you quoted. There are no later revelations that are in direct conflict with the ones I quoted.

If you managed to find later revelations from muhammed that contradict the ones I sited, then you would have an argument. Until then, sorry, but you lost before you started.

As for derailing, this thread is about Public Law 414, not your interpretation of the koran. The application of this law in regards to immigration of Islamic people is broader and more faceted than just the one narrow perspective you chose to argue. And that argument did not stand up to any scrutiny at all.

If you believe US law meant to protect us is hogwash, that is your choice. You haven't proven anything except that the information you provided was false and when that was demonstrated you go straight to insult. Nice job. Keep up the good work.
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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:24 PM
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knows or has reasonable ground to believe probably would, after entry, (A) engage in activities which would be prohibited by the laws of the United States relating to espionage, sabotage, public disorder, or in other activity subversive to the national security, (B) engage in any activity a purpose of which is the opposition to, or the control or overthrow of, the Government of the United States, by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means


There are plenty of Muslims who are not out to overthrow the U.S. government. So you are saying they should be allowed in, correct, because they don't violate the law?



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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that later revelations by muhammed were in direct conflict with the one you quoted. There are no later revelations


Yes there is. Chapter 109.
What you shared were prior to the revelations I've cited from 109, you do know that 109 comes after 8 & 9 right?

There is a whole hundred numbers between them.


If you managed to find later revelations from muhammed that contradict the ones I sited, then you would have an argument. Until then, sorry, but you lost before you started.


I did. It's called Chapter 109 and it's a whole 100 Chapters after what you copied and pasted.




Have fun, I'll leave you to have your circle jerk.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: darkbake

The problem is that the Koran, Sharia law, and the Hadith all demand that true followers of Islam subjugate or destroy those who do not submit to the will of Islam. So, if they are of Islam, then by definition either they are not following the edicts of the religion, or, they should not be allowed to immigrate to the US.



“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]."

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


Those verses instruct followers to fight until non-believers pay the Jizya with willing submissin and feel themselves subdued. That pretty much sums it up as far as Public Law 414 and its application.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

Whelp , Muslim and American here.

It's a good thing we don't have a plan to overthrow the government.


Come get me when the revolution starts.

Meanwhile I'll be over here praying i don't get tossed into a dention camp before that.







posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:55 PM
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Cool now we can keep the Christians out as well seeing how their religion also says to convert everyone. Op don't quit your day job and try to become a lawyer because you will then starve.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel



The problem is that the Koran, Sharia law, and the Hadith all demand that true followers of Islam subjugate or destroy those who do not submit to the will of Islam.

All the Muslim nations that have others religions in them that they do not try and convert or destroy them says your interpretation of their faith is pretty much BS.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

You obviously demand that I teach you about the koran... Not the reason for this thread, but I will accommodate you none the less as ignorance is something I abhor.

You know that 109 comes after 8 and 9. Good for you. But you are mixing meanings and leaving out some extremely necessary content.

The chapter you are referring to, 109:6, is similar in meaning to 2:256, and 18:29: To you your religion, to me my religion, or, Whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve.

What you are saying is that chapter 109 allows for the existence of disbelievers, but what you are not saying is how the koran instructs its followers to treat them.

Allah loveth not the disbelievers.
Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!
Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. ... He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them.
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them.
Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you.
They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve ... take them and kill them wherever ye find them.
Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

This is getting rather boring. New thread with different title but same copy/paste arguments.

What you are writing here about Quran,Hadiths,Sharia Law has already been repeated a zillion times on ATS.

What is the point of copy pasting arguments ? Can't you come up with something original?

Parrots



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:09 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
Cool now we can keep the Christians out as well seeing how their religion also says to convert everyone. Op don't quit your day job and try to become a lawyer because you will then starve.


If you had the slightest idea what you were talking about, I might be concerned. As it is...

The law is in regard to immigration. It has no bearing on US citizens.

And for the record, I was raised catholic but no longer belong to the church. Not once in my entire life did anyone associated with the church ever demand, or even request, that I try to convert anyone. Not once.

I would advise you not to give up your day job, but I really doubt you have one...



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 11:10 PM
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I have been led to believe that the muslim communities in the U.S. have
a lot of lawyers working hard on their behalf to circumvent our laws.




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