UN's Ban Ki-Moon accuses Israel of 'breeding' Palestinian terror attacks

a reply to: neo96

Try 1400 hundred years of utter contempt between the arabs and Jews.

So you are clueless about the history between Muslims and Jews huh? Do a little research and you will find that the Jews lived with the Muslims because the Muslims provided protection to the Jews when the Christians were murdering them. When the Christians retook Spain the Jews left with the Muslims instead of having to face the Christians. The majority of problems between Muslims and Jews started after the rise of modern day Zionism just like Theodor Herzl wanted.

a reply to: buster2010

Give the Israelphobia a rest.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: neo96

Try 1400 hundred years of utter contempt between the arabs and Jews.

So you are clueless about the history between Muslims and Jews huh? Do a little research and you will find that the Jews lived with the Muslims because the Muslims provided protection to the Jews when the Christians were murdering them. When the Christians retook Spain the Jews left with the Muslims instead of having to face the Christians. The majority of problems between Muslims and Jews started after the rise of modern day Zionism just like Theodor Herzl wanted.

I seem to remember alot of jews stayed in the surrounding countries too. when they started calling for more jews to come home alot from surrounding middle eastern countries came back and never had went to europe.

Also the protection you spoke of only lasted until the christians stopped trying to retake jerusalem.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: buster2010

Give the Israelphobia a rest.

So you can't refute what I posted so you post a video that had nothing to do with what either I or you posted. Give the Islamophobia a rest. Man up and admit the 1400 years of of utter contempt between the Arabs and Jews is nothing but BS.

a reply to: buster2010

Centuries my arse. the palestinians that Arafatt spoke of didnt exist for that long. THOSe are the ones causing the strife.

Also since biblical times arabs and jews have been at odds. All over abraham and his illegetimate son Ishmail born to a homewrecker.

a reply to: yuppa

Also the protection you spoke of only lasted until the christians stopped trying to retake jerusalem.

The Muslims kept protecting the Jews until at least 1492 centuries after the Christians stopped trying to retake Jerusalem. You and Neo need to brush up on your history.

a reply to: yuppa

All over abraham and his illegetimate son Ishmail born to a homewrecker.

You mean the homewrecker that his wife ordered him to have a child with even though God said she was to have the child? Abraham should have kicked her butt to the curb instead of going against the will of God.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: buster2010

Centuries my arse. the palestinians that Arafatt spoke of didnt exist for that long. THOSe are the ones causing the strife.

Also since biblical times arabs and jews have been at odds. All over abraham and his illegetimate son Ishmail born to a homewrecker.

I guess no one told the Israeli's the entire middle east is suppose to be an ISREAL FREE ZONE ?

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: yuppa

All over abraham and his illegetimate son Ishmail born to a homewrecker.

You mean the homewrecker that his wife ordered him to have a child with even though God said she was to have the child? Abraham should have kicked her butt to the curb instead of going against the will of God.

By todays standards YEs she was a homewrecker. He eventually kicked her arse to the proverbial curb. HE should had known better though to believe what sarah said to him. SARAH is th eone ar fault for not believing in th epromise made to her. TECHNICALLY ishmail was born first but not FROM SARAH HERSELF. which eliminates him as th e promised child,but good luck telling a muslim that.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: buster2010

Centuries my arse. the palestinians that Arafatt spoke of didnt exist for that long. THOSe are the ones causing the strife.

Also since biblical times arabs and jews have been at odds. All over abraham and his illegetimate son Ishmail born to a homewrecker.

I guess no one told the Israeli's the entire middle east is suppose to be an ISREAL FREE ZONE ?

I guess who ever the idiot was from Israel that map forgot there is a place called Palestine. So according to the Israeli government the ME is supposed to be a Palestine free zone.

a reply to: yuppa

By todays standards YEs she was a homewrecker.

Not according to today's standard she isn't a homewrecker. Abraham's wife told him to have sex with her homewreckers do not get permission from the man's wife. By today's terms shes just a swinger.

And with every thread that threatens Israel the mossad people come with their video's to try to redirect their bad behaviour on the bad behaviour of others. I guess the SS did the same thing when everyone accused the Nazi's of bad behaviour as well. We need to realize that we cannot wipe out hatred with hatred, only love and compassion can triumph. Is your anger that strong that you cannot feel your heart any more? I beg you people to try feel the pain of others.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: OhOkYeah

You think stealing land, which increased under Netanyahu, isnt wrong? Are you insane?

How does one steal when it was yours in the first place? The ARABS stole the land from the Jews many times and the Jews got it back for good.

Lets just take a look at the FACTS. Lets look where people do not normally or want to look.

There is evidence of human activity in Transjordan as early as the Paleolithic period (c. 90,000 BC).[citation needed] The area was settled by nomadic tribes in the Bronze Age, which consolidated in small kingdoms during the Iron Age - such as the Edomites and Ammonites, with partial areas controlled by the Israelites.

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In 1948, Jordan fought with the newly born state of Israel over lands of former Mandatory Palestine, effectively gaining control of the West Bank and annexing it with its Palestinian population. Jordan lost West Bank in the 1967 War with Israel, and since became the central base of the PLO in its struggle against Israel. The alliance between the PLO and the Jordanians, active during the War of Attrition, came to an end in the bloody Black September in Jordan in 1970, when a civil war between Jordanians and Palestinians (with Syrian Ba'athist support) took thousands of lives. In the aftermath, defeated PLO was forced out of Jordan together with tens of thousands of its fighters and their Palestinian families, relocating to South Lebanon.

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So its cool if the an Arab government steals Israeli land but not if the Israelis take it back?

Britain finally took a decision by 1921 whereby Palestine was to be included in the formal Palestine Mandate. Moreover, as a gesture to Britain’s wartime promises with Arabs, they decided to exempt the territory of Transjordan from the provisions of mandate related to the Jewish National Home. In return, they asked Abdullah to abandon fighting for Syria and instead took charge of the administration of British-controlled Transjordan. A British memorandum was presented to the League of Nations in 1922 where it was affirmed that the mandate document and its provisions were not pertinent to the territory separated by the British known as Transjordan. This was 80% of the mandate land which was taken away from the Jews as their prospective homeland to their much agitation.

www.palestinefacts.org...

So if the Jews were all of a sudden wanting a new nation in 1948 then why were they there before WW1?

Then this nasty little truth the Arabs let slip out. Israel mentioned in stone, in ancient Egypt, imagine that!!!! Right after the Exodus, no say it is not so lol. Truth is this Egyptian leader really loved to Gloat. Why Gloat about defeating a little new nation called Israel in the land of Canaan? Because the Jews had just embarrassed the previous leader of Egypt so he had to make himself seem better.

The Merneptah Stele—also known as the Israel Stele or Victory Stele of Merneptah—is an inscription by the Ancient Egyptian king Merneptah (reign: 1213 to 1203 BC) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.[1][2] The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a separate campaign in Canaan, then part of Egypt's imperial possessions. While alternative translations have been put forward, the majority[citation needed] of biblical archeologists translate a set of hieroglyphs on Line 27 as "Israel", such that it represents the first documented instance of the name Israel in the historical record,[2] and the only mention in Ancient Egypt.[3] It is also one of only four known ancient inscriptions interpreted to mention the term "Israel", the others being the Mesha Stele, the Tel Dan Stele, and the Kurkh Monolith.[4] As a result, some consider the stele to be Flinders Petrie's most famous discovery,[5] an opinion with which Petrie himself concurred.

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Now bring on the Jew haters who will argue with a STONE lol.

a reply to: buster2010

See a patriots revenge post. evidence ISrael existed before palestine.

Hey all of you stop it. Nothing will stop me from demanding Israel be relocated to the Southwest US/Mexico border. Especially not one set of hieroglyphs in a single line interpreted by 'citation needed' source as one of only four known translations of the name Israel. As there is no source on Wikipedia to give me the names of the biblical archaeologists I will simply infer that the interpretations were done by Jews and Evangelical Christians. No agenda there I bet. Rather #ty argument when you have to fall back on 'possible interpretations' of literally a couple of symbols citing the word with very little context.

Hamas was created by Israel as a wedge to keep the PLO from ever realizing a secular nationalist goal by undermining it with a competing extremist religious organization that it knew would refuse to accept a two state solution. It is no wonder Hamas is so #ty to the Palestinians, many of the ones still alive and in charge probably receive a check cut from Israel (and paid for by the US taxpayer).

Two Decades of Undermining Arafat

Given the level of control that the Israeli intelligence services such as the Shin Bet and Mossad have been able to exert over the Palestinian territories during the last 35 years of Israeli occupation, the capability to manipulate militant and violent organizations, such as those associated with Hamas, should not surprise anyone familiar with intelligence and even routine police operations. This should be obvious, considering that Israel has routinely recruited thousands of collaborators and provocateurs among the tens of thousands of Palestinians who have passed through Israeli prisons in over 35 years of its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Most convincing is a comparison of the development of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and their antecedents, and the growing national and international legitimacy of the PLO and its undisputed leader, Arafat.

Hamas is an acronym for Harafat al-Muqawama Al-Islamiyya, or Islamic Resistance Movement. Its spiritual leader is Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, who, despite his fiery anti-Israeli sermons, has had an unusual relationship with the Israeli authorities. In 1973, Yassin established the Islamic Association—at a time when it was Israeli policy to promote what Ambassador Kurtzer refers to as the "Islamic movement."

One might ask: Why should Israel promote an Islamic movement which later turns around and attacks it? How could the Israeli secret services be taken in by a Yassin? They weren't. The simple fact is, that the stated policy of Hamas is simply the flip side of Sharon's "Greater Israel" policy that refuses to seek a territorial compromise. The Hamas charter in 1988 stated, "The land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations, and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it.... Peace initiatives, the so-called peace initiatives, are all contraray to the beliefs of Hamas, for renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion." In this rhetoric there is no room for a state of Israel—as there is none for a state of Palestine in Sharon's "Greater Israel."

The Anti-Oslo Terror Campaign Begins

The Oslo Accords marked the first glimmer of hope for a resolution of the Middle East conflict. And, the first suicide terrorist attack aimed at destroying it was not launched by Hamas or Islamic Jihad or another Palestinian faction. The first suicide attack was launched on Feb. 25, 1994, by Israeli terrorist Baruch Goldstein, when he entered the Mosque of Hebron and killed 50 Muslim worshippers as well as himself. Goldstein was a member of Kach, the terrorist organization founded by the late Meir Kahane, who also founded the Jewish Defense League in the 1960s in the United States. Kach, which is well connected to Sharon, is on the official U.S. State Department list of terrorist organizations.

The unprecedented massacre was calculated to set the stage for a suicide bombing campaign by Hamas and its split-off, Islamic Jihad, over the next year. In fact, it set into motion the "cycle of violence" that has yet to end. The Goldstein attack came at precisely the point when Israeli Prime Minister Rabin and Arafat began the formal implementation of the Oslo agreement which envisioned the establishment of a Palestinian state by 1998. The first Hamas-linked suicide attacks did not start until two months later, in April 1994, when Rabin and Arafat signed the agreement for the establishment of the Palestinian National Authority. The agreement called for the conduct of free elections throughout the territories—which would eventually establish the international legitimacy of the Arafat-led government.

But despite this terror campaign, which lasted for months under a massive crackdown by Arafat's security forces, the Rabin-Arafat alliance, although seriously weakened, was not broken. This alliance was finally broken with Rabin's assassination by an Israeli, on Nov. 5, 1995.

And as a result, the world's largest open air prison exists in the Gaza Strip, and Hamas being the #ty warden that loves to exploit and abuse its prisoners. People have had it much better in Cuba, and that speaks volumes alone. It is possible however, that they may be just a notch above the North Korean prison cities in terms of quality of life.







oh but hey, their only Palestinian, its not like their human or anything


Palestinians in the West bank are probably all pissy at the recent point blank killings by the IDF that simply go ignored and the fact that they are now legally allowed to kill even children for simply tossing stones at them, which they have done. I mean they were getting away with it before anyways, but now its in writing.

This is pretty much how it goes
Some Israeli insider "Oh # man, the nationalists in the West Bank are actually gaining momentum on peace and statehood, give our buddies in the Gaza Strip a call would you??"
#y Hamas sellout "whats up man?? Oh you need us to stir some # up again so you can de-humanize the Palestinians as usual and stop this positive secular momentum in the West Bank?? No problem, just remember to drop the money in the usual accounts and release to us a few assets from behind bars"
Mossad "ok we're good. We should have our justification to drop our bombs on the dogs and continue our mission of driving them out to sea once more. I mean its not like the stupid Christians know any better, they lap up the # from our shoes and admire us as God's chosen lol! If they only knew how much they actually had in common with the Muslims and learned to work together, our deception would become obvious. Thankfully the Western press has been monopolized by our friends."

Yes, this is exactly how I believe it goes down.

a reply to: crazyewok


You and I are on the same page, who gives a rats A. My people came from a place that totally bears no relation. Its really frikkin cold there and dark six months out if a year.

a reply to: neo96

And yet, in most of those Empires, it was not Muslims persecuting Jews, as spin doctors attempt to make it seem with the whole
"oh the jews and Muslims have been fighting it out for 2000 years" ass backwards logic. Muslim and Christian, and Pagan empires alike have both helped and hurt the Jews over time. But at this point in time, for what appears to be the very first time in history, it is the Jews doing the persecution.

Is that not odd to anyone??

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: neo96

But at this point in time, for what appears to be the very first time in history, it is the Jews doing the persecution.

Is that not odd to anyone??

Its not so much "odd" to me, so much as it is just plain ironic... Kind of goes to show, give the weakest and most bullied kid in any school yard total power and dominance and he'll then become intoxicated with that power over others, then will become the biggest, most brutal bully in that whole school yard.

Its just that primitive human nature... I suppose.

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
If Israelis want to create more settlements, I volunteer the land on the Mexican side of our border. Once Israelis create a border, they know how to lock it down. Come on over guys, we need some border security, and the land is not too dissimilar. Get on over here and build some settlements along the Mexican border.

It is obvious now that a 10 meter - miles long wall is very useful against stabbing attacks.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

That's from the people living in the West Bank. If we give them enough land along the ENTIRE border there would not even need too be a West Bank. First priority should be Juarez.