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I had to stand up to my boss today (REAL TALK)

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posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: wasaka

The situation may have looked like you won, but the boss is still the boss and if he is a normal human being (while being a boss), your days are numbered and/or your evaluations tainted unless you are the owner's son or an excellent employee in all other quarters.

Your being nasty toward him seem unjustified and is not excused by your IBS--you have a medical excuse in writing for that, right? Many people have it and can decently explain their problem with anyone--which should have been explained earlier as you hand in your medical note. You, on the other hand acted like an ass. The boss won't forget. I can't image that you keep jobs any length of time with that kind of bottled up anger.



My anger is not bottled up. I let it out all the time.
I am not acting like an asshole. I am an asshole.

"Your anger is a gift" -Zach dela Rocha

I read that quote this morning before I left
my domicile, and headed out my door into
the land of the #TaxSlaves and #WorkerBees.

I read that quote again after work (8hrs later)
and the meaning of that word had changed.
Why? Because I had just experienced a shift
change in my consciousness a few seconds
earlier. This Paradigm Shift, if I accept it,
will flip my whole upside-down world right
the F*CK right-side up!

The funny thing is I didn't know my mind
had changed until I read this quote for the
second time and it struck me like a bolt of
fire from the the sky.... I can see Zeus as he
throws down his Blots from Mt Olympus.

"Your anger is a gift" -Zach dela Rocha

Wow. Who is this Rocha person? I must do my
research immediately. What a sublime truth.
It is so incredibility liberating to my soul it
makes me want to cry, and allow the healing
effect to wash all over my pain body.

Like the LIGHT from Source.
Like the Star Light so Bright.
the Ember of Acceptance.

Yes, we can manifest love and healing for
ourselves (and for the whole of humanity)
while we live in a Angry Relationship that
is full of chaos and drama.

I never imagined such was possible.

Now I know is it.

Wow.

...that is a powerful paradigm shift.




verb (used with object), allied, allying.
1.
to unite formally, as by treaty, league, marriage, or the like (usually followed by with or to):
Russia allied itself to France.


my Anger is now in treaty with... my higher Self....
my Anger is now in league with... my Christ-Consciousness...
my Anger is now bound in legal ceremony to... until death do we part
That's a rap. It's a done deal. It is complete! It is finished.

You mean to tell me, I don't need to "drop" my anger and rage? What a thought. More than new... it is... a revelation! My Blue Sky has just transitioned to the darkness of night, and I can see a BRIGHT LIGHT.... it is from a distant bi-polar star system which looks like one point of light, and that LIGHT is in my face, just like a Torch of Truth burning into my skull.

Wow.

I get it now.
I am free.




posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem
I have been at my current job for 35 years, and in managment since the late 80's. Id fire the both of them. I dont ask about bathroom use. I am only concerned that the job duties be completed correctly and on time. Any lip about anything, such as your personal sex life or any posturing out of you and you are done.... Out the door with you... With a Police escort if you like.


That hasn't happened to me, yet.

I said "yet" because I have had my share of run-ins
with the fuzz, and I have no fear of jail. Been there
and done that. Call 911 if you must, but when you
do that don't expect me to just run away in fear.

No, no, no.

We live in a world of FEAR and ATTACK.
We FEAR Iran, so we go on the attack.
This is are war-like culture and it has
an effect on everyone in our society.

Some people, like you, sit in the seat of power
and think the cops work for you. And that you
and use them as a threat to bully me into
submission. Wrong.

I don't expect you to be better than that,
but you ought to expect better from yourself.

We all ought to be better than that, we all
ought to strive to be our best, to communicate
in a clear way without ambiguity. We ought to
be fair, and just, and understanding.

We all ought to find way to encourage and to
uplift and to edify one another in love.

It is all about respect, you don't have to like me,
but you will respect me. And while I wait for the
cops to show up, that is exactly what I would be
saying to all with in the sound of my voice.

The cops would have to lift me off the floor
and hall me off. Sounds like fun.

Want to play with me? Let us do this!

edit on 19-12-2015 by wasaka because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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If you engage in a conflict that could have been resolved peacefully and rationally you both lose. You might walk away from it with a small boost to your self esteem at saving a little face by being the guy who lost the least but you still walk away with less than you did when you started.

All you've really proved to your colleagues is that when the pressure is put on you you'll respond emotionally, publicly and unprofessionally.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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I'd give you both promotions and raises!



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: wasaka
Do you think you are better than I am, do you think because you
earn more, that you can just talk down to people like me?


Certainly in a professional aspect. Anyone who behaves the way you and your manager did are certainly not qualified to direct others.






edit on 19-12-2015 by AugustusMasonicus because: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: Brotherman
Like I said towards the end of my post, id like to believe you are a better managing authority.


I better be otherwise I do not get a commission or bonus.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: DigitalVigilante420
"Professionals" aren't so quick to assess.


To be honest, you do not need to be a professional sales manager to come to the conclusion that the type of behavior exhibited is not conducive to managing others.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
There is a trend, at least in my neck of the woods, for Corporations to label their employees as 'Associates'. Likely to get around employee regulations. At least until the legislators can catch up with the wrinkle. There is now the mind-set-educated(?)- that everyone is equal, including in the workplace, and orders are not received without resentment. Rather consulting with the associates and reaching a consensus is the ideal and demanded mechanism by this latest batch from the 'nurseries'/schools.

Life will be a hard teacher, methinks...



To be honest, I refer to my direct reports (and everyone else I work with) as 'associates' since to me the conation is that the person in question is taken much more seriously as an integral stakeholder and a larger, more vaulable part of the corporation. In my opinion 'employee' comes across as a much more casual nomenclature.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
You mean run others, by intimidation and veiled threat, as only a senior manager can. He doesn't work for you.


I never had to threaten or intimidate anyone in my profession and if I did I would be out of a position. A good manager gets the buy in from his direct reports and assists them in formulating a successful strategy to help them achieve their goals.

I have fired one person in the past 6 years.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
He defended himself from invasion of privacy. The situation could have been 'managed' better by asking the man what his problem was privately instead of confronting him on the floor in front of everyone, then resorting to anger when it backfired.

I think he handled himself best he could when faced with an ex cop style of dictation.


They both behaved very poorly and should have been disciplined and/or terminated. Acting like a confrontational nutbar is not acceptable, even if your manager is acting like one.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 02:07 PM
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I'm not exactly sure what's going on here, but I do know the boundaries of normal acceptable behavior are being tested.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nwtrucker
There is a trend, at least in my neck of the woods, for Corporations to label their employees as 'Associates'. Likely to get around employee regulations. At least until the legislators can catch up with the wrinkle. There is now the mind-set-educated(?)- that everyone is equal, including in the workplace, and orders are not received without resentment. Rather consulting with the associates and reaching a consensus is the ideal and demanded mechanism by this latest batch from the 'nurseries'/schools.

Life will be a hard teacher, methinks...


Understood. The downside being 'liberties' taken those in an assumed relationship that, in fact, doesn't work well in the workplace. I know who my boss is and if and when I can take liberties and when it's 'aye, aye, sir'....

A valuable survival trait....

To be honest, I refer to my direct reports (and everyone else I work with) as 'associates' since to me the conation is that the person in question is taken much more seriously as an integral stakeholder and a larger, more vaulable part of the corporation. In my opinion 'employee' comes across as a much more casual nomenclature.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: jdb51
I have been following this post for a while now, as it is very entertaining. However, I have noticed you keep getting on and off ATS, and was wondering if you were using the bathroom excessively and if so, why?


LOL - ha ha, very funny


Okay here is the story:

A few years ago I had this crappy sales job in North West Arkansas.
One day it was break time and rather than go to the general bathroom
that was unclean, I used the executive bathroom. No one told me it
was off-limits but the schmuck boss got in my face about it.

"What were you doing in there." he asks me.

I'm on the phone and so I cup my hand over the receiver
so I can respond to his question without the person on
the other end hearing me.

"What do you think I was doing?" I whisper back.

"I need to know what you were doing in there."

"Okay, Bob, if you really want to know I was in there
taking a #." This time I put the phone down and
I speak in a normal tone.

"Okay, that's it. You done. Get off the phone.
I need to see you at my desk."

Then while sitting at his desk I explain how I am
going through a divorce and really need this job.
My wife had and I had just separated a few day
prior to this I was in a very volatile state of mind.

As I'm pleading with this ass-clown I touch his arm
in a very light touch as I'm speaking. He pulls back
and tell me to never touch him again. My failed
attempt to bring human connection turn to rage.

"What?" I asked in shock.

"Don't touch me again, ever."

I am now ready to take this guys head off. We are
lead into the big man's office where I sit for the
next 2 hours as I explain everything I see that is
wrong with his business.

He actually listen to me, and asks me questions
that show I actually values my opinion, but then
something changes, and I don't know what.

The big boss leaves to go get me a glass of water
and never comes back. I begin to wonder what
the heck is talking so long and the HR lady comes
in and tells me I'm being terminated.

"Okay, can you tell me why?"

"For creating a hostile work environment." she tell me.

"You do know that is a legal term and it only applies
to how an employer treats an employee, not the other
way around, right?"

She just stares at me.

"So you have to come with something better than that."

"Uh, how about failure to adapt?" she asks me.

I laugh.

"Well, that works. Let's go with that."

Then this lady has my buddy get off the phone
so he can give me a ride home because we
were car pooling.

On the drive home I learn that the Big Boss was
hiding in the executive bathroom with the door
locked for over an hour as the HR lady ran around
trying to figure out what the heck to do about me.

David, my car pool buddy also told me our supervisor
was hiding under her desk this whole time. Two
people deathly afraid of me. The thought I was
going to get a gun and shoot people.

It was bizarre to say the least.

After that, I have become a little temperamental
with bosses who question what I do in the bathroom
or how often I use it.

But I mean really, it was like a scene from Seinfeld.

Do I really scare people that much?

Weird.

So know you know the back ground story, which helps
to explain why I was so ready and willing to go to war
of something other people consider trivial.

It's not trivial in my mind, not a all.

Losing that job really hurt me, it was a huge setback
that caused many dominoes to fall.

Some people just react in FEAR whenever they
encounter a REAL person, and any one who isn't
"follow the script" is viewed as dangerous. If you
have convictions and have REAL moral vision....
they see that is a problem.

If you stand up and speak back, you are viewed
as an alien from outer space.

Very strange.




edit on 19-12-2015 by wasaka because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Brotherman

When I speak to my employees it is from the wisdom of having worked in their exact position. That makes for a better relationship.

I do feel I should be able to fill in for an employee if the need arises. No, I don't want to know how they staple their papers together, or where they put the scissors, but the fundamentals of their job...yes, I do feel and can fill their position at any time.

Mutual respect goes a long way. I wouldn't keep any person who talked to me the way the OP says he did, but my staff would also not be treated the way he feels he has been.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: wasaka

Let's hope that works out for you.

I'd fire you and have no regrets.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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You have a drug problem. I dont need to prove, you and your marriage partner know the truth. You have zero respect for authority or a chain of command. If you have not disclosed an existing medical condition and are going to the restroom that frequently, it is the employers right to ask why you spend so much 'paid' time in a private location not working for your money.

I suspect you keep going to the bathroom to sneak a bump of powder residue and not the medical reason you are hiding behind. If this were legitimate and you have been having this problem with your employer's than a reasonable person would bring in medical exemption paperwork to present for reasonable accommodations by law. You however always go to confrontation. Something I suspect you learned from your confused transgender partner as that is virtually a universal trait I have observed both in person, and here in this community.

I say learned because by your own admission it sounds as if you were clearly having confidence issues and based on what your partner was telling you in the other thread you linked, im thinking that individual is basically manipulating your choices and decisions by disguising it as your empowerment and self confidence. And yet, you only seem to be contributing to a problem for which you will suffer, not your boss.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: NewzNose
I'll keep that in mind next time some asshole in a tie tells me how to weld a German imported machine comes in they broke and can't find anyone who knows how to fix it, then offers $12 an hour even though material costs is way into the 5-6000 dollar range lol



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: Brotherman

Really? Are you using a mig welder? High tinsle, low alloy steel (HSLA) and all...
edit on 19-12-2015 by NewzNose because: correction



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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So OP, your a telemarketer...?
Nuff said.

Seek professional help, you have issues that need resolved and soon.
edit on 19-12-2015 by DogMeat because: read more from the OP... on other forums



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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When confronted over a petty issue by "management", my favorite response is "You need a good employee way more than I need a bad boss."
Never ever just roll over dead for authority. You will never recover if you do.




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