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originally posted by: hubrisinxs
In the Babylonian exile, the Jews probably had access to Egyptian and Babylonian history and combined that information with their own oral tradition for the sake of providing historicity to their own stories.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: hubrisinxs
Very well researched OP!
My only problem with your theory is your supposing that the events in the bible are historical in nature, in that they actually occurred. Or at least the exodus of the Israelite's from Egypt.
To my knowledge there hasn't been any archaeological evidence that supports that event, The Egyptians didn't record any mass exodus of slaves nor tribesmen either. Also Pithom didn't exist until much later, same with Rameses...
originally posted by: hubrisinxs
a reply to: crazyewok
That is cool, did not know about Avaris becoming Pi Rameses. Agreed that the captive Jews were stuck with names that had gone through 1000 years of the game 'telephone', so the fact that they only knew about more modern information does not discount their story being based in some facts.
Thanks for adding!
originally posted by: tinymind
a reply to: hubrisinxs
Bottom line is, the "Jewish" or rather Hebrew religion is a mish-mash of stories about people and events which may, or may not, have even happened at all.
This leads myself, as well as many others, to conclude that it is as "made-up" as the other myths and fairy tales which they are very quick to label as only lies and legends.
Well, so much for the legitimacy of religion and its followers.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Almost everything we have on Egypt, Sumerian ect is from pages of religious text, pictures and glyphs on walls and fragments of tablets.
The Hebrew Adam is the first man in the image of God,the father of mankind,and the completion of creation. The Egyptian Atem is the first God in the image of man and the father of mankind through a self-creative act. the root "tem" in Atem means both "completion" and "mankind". the word "At" is an Egyptian name for "father". moreover we know that Adam the first namer of created things;the Egyptian "dem" means "to name"clearly there is an Egyptian parentage for Adam and he is to be equated to Atem. Adam's consort is Eve whose Hebrew name is"(C)Havvah"and who, in the Genesis, story is seduced by the Serpent. the name Havvah corresponds to the Egyptian "Hefa" who is the Great Mother Serpent of the world.There are several meaning to peeled back here: Eve-Havvah as Hefa is the is Serpent of Genesis in it's form as the Great Mother but Adam-Atem is also the the Great Serpent.the Serpent of Genesis,then,is indubitably Eve in one aspect but Adam in another;Thus Adam and Eve are both humanized forms of the Great Cosmic Serpent.
Adam and Eve gave birth to Cain, "Qayin" in Hebrew,who struck down his brother Abel in an act of murder.In Egyptian "qen" means to beat,to strike down,to murder,so Cain's name derives from the salient deeds of his life. The figure Noah is seen in many guises:he is the survivor of the flood,he is the first cultivator of the vine through which he succumbs to drunkenness, and he is also"the gardener,the husbandman,the cultivator." In Hebrew,Noah is "nouach"(the "ch" being pronounced like a near-silent "K").In Egyptian,"Nu" is the personification of the waters, the embodiment of the Great Flood of both heaven and earth.The Egyptian word "Akh" means "fertile field,garden,irrigated lands,"thus the Egyptian Nu-Akh is in reality the flood waters that irrigate and fertilize the cultivated lands,which is in perfect keeping with Noah's double personification as the man of the flood and the gardener or husbandman.The ark of Noah is a replica of the ark of the sun that floats across the heavenly waters of Nu (or Nun).
Ham one of the sons of Noah,is derived from from the Egyptian "Kam" which is the strongest word in the language for "black" or "blackness."Noah second son Shem or Sem is of course the eponymous ancestor of the Semitic people whom the Egyptians first encounter as nomads,fittingly the Egyptian"sem" means wanderer or traveler.Abram,his name can be analyzed in Egyptian as follows:"Ab" means father in Egyptian and "rem" mean the people,giving "Ab-rem" meaning literally,the father of the people.This is perfectly consistent with Abram's position of patriarch of two important branches of Semitic peoples Hebrews and Arabs.After making the covenant with God through circumcision Abram becomes Abraham and the letters of his name can be broken down as follows in Egyptian,"ib" is an Egyptian word for "heart,desire,wisdom,"Ra" is the sun God Ra,and "im" means "fire or light," giving "Ib-Ra-Im"(remembering that Abraham is Ibrahima in Arabic)which means "the desire or wisdom of Ra's light or fire.Through this we can connect Abraham to Ra and it is Ra in Egyptian mythology who first institutes the rite of circumcision.This correspondences cannot possibly be coincidental and given the fact that Abrahams sojourn in Egypt as described in Genesis and the cultural hegemony of Egypt over Western Asia,this makes him a devotee,a priest,or even a personification of Ra himself. the connection continues in the figure of Abraham's second son Isaac,which in Hebrew is Ysak.In Egyptian "Ys" means place and "akh" means offering by fire or burnt offering,giving "Ys-akh"or the "place of burnt offering" In the O.T story the out standing event of Issac life when he was about to sacrificed to God as a burnt offering
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Spider879
Does this mean it could also be possible that the early Hebrews renamed their religious figures to more glorify their actions in life? I mean if Abram means "father of the people", that is an AWFULLY convenient name to give your child who later grows up to be the father of three major religions after he dies (actually many more than that, but only three mater at this time).