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You Want War? Russia is Ready for War

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posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

No body ever said Syria was a saintly government.

Though compared to many in the ME, such as US ally Saudi Arabia (who are murdering citizens by the thousands in Yemen right now) it is a paragon of Jefferson democracy in comparison.

Syria was attacked by that cabal I mentioned above through the black operation of the American government in their attempt to destabilize 7 ME countries that





posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:23 AM
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Those who defend the actions of Asad ; how do you excuse the mass murderer father Hafiz Asad ?

Asad has turned out to be a butcher too , like father like son .

Let me get this right ; father asad mass murdered Syrians and son Asad also mass murdered Syrians ; yet we all suppose to support this murdering family ?

In Asad's Syria , the Kurds were not even issued ID cards for crying outloud .

Apartheid by any other name indeed.


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posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h



If I remember correctly Russia has military bases in Syria...which gives them the right to be in Syria if they wanted to be there.

Yes, and they were military present in Syria. They just didn't interfere in the conflict because they didn't had the rights to do so; if they did without previously being invited for assistance by the Syrian government they would break the sovereignty of Syria. I know you must be shocked in finding out it is illegal to interfere in other country internal business because it's what you guys have been doing all along, but it is.



You can believe what you want...the evidence is out there.

I agree. The truth is out there. But not in the mainstream media. Never.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: 23432

There's this thing called the UN. I wonder why they didn't react earlier if these claims were true and not after the US decided they don't want Assad to rule anymore.

I've been hearing the same crap about civil rights, mass murdering and what not since the '80...I'm getting tired of it because everytime it turned out the freedom fighters from the west have been lying to us so that they could justify their military actions. I say no more



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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Syria was attacked by that cabal I mentioned above through the black operation of the American government in their attempt to destabilize 7 ME countries that


You really need to learn the history in Syria, as what we see happening now is just a continuation of earlier problems when Assad's father ruled.


The best way to see Syria's civil war isn't as something that started, out of nowhere, in 2011. Rather, think of it as a resumption of what Robinson calls "the first round" of Syria's civil war — which began in 1976 and ended with a shockingly brutal massacre in the city of Hama.

That year, Hafez al-Assad had Syrian forces intervene in Lebanon's civil war, on behalf of Lebanese Christian groups who were fighting Muslim groups. The Muslim Brotherhood and many other Syrian Sunnis saw this as heresy, proof that the Assad regime needed to go. They launched a low-intensity civil war, which went on for six years. To counter them, the Alawite regime courted allies among privileged Sunnis and the Christian minority.

Assad finally ended the war in a particularly brutal fashion: In 1982, he nearly leveled the city of Hama, where the opposition was strongest, slaughtering thousands of civilians in an indiscriminate barrage. The regime learned from this experience that mass violence was the smart response to unrest — a lesson that was applied particularly brutally in


www.vox.com...

But hey let's just blame the US for something that has been happening since 1976.

Do you know about Deraa as that is where the beginnings of this civil war started with protests that eventually spread across Syria.


At first, it seemed like the response backfired. The killing at Deraa sparked nationwide protests, which is why the Deraa crackdown today is widely acknowledged as the beginning of the revolution. These protests initially had no sectarian cast or agenda, and grew large enough to threaten the very foundations of the Syrian government.


www.vox.com...

But who needs the truth when you can blame the US for it.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And just over night those peaceful civilians turned into terrorists, sorry moderate rebels.

Makes sense.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 11:54 AM
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You Want War? Russia is Ready for War


Go home Russia; you're drunk.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: 23432

There's this thing called the UN. I wonder why they didn't react earlier if these claims were true and not after the US decided they don't want Assad to rule anymore.

I've been hearing the same crap about civil rights, mass murdering and what not since the '80...I'm getting tired of it because everytime it turned out the freedom fighters from the west have been lying to us so that they could justify their military actions. I say no more


Asad family crimes are not in dispute ;by and large everyone knows what chaos & destruction they have brought onto peoples of Syria .

Father Asad had overthrown a legitimate Syrian government way back 1964 to begin the reign of Ba'ath Party tyranny in Syria .

UN had 2 members always vetoed in favour of Syrian Regime ; Russia & China .

Neither have good record in democracy department.

If you have met any ordinary Syrians in the 90's ; you would have understood the fear in which the majority of Syrians lived .

Asad and Saddam followed the same policy towards opposition groups ; kill them whereever possible.

Just go online and fine a Syrian Kurdish forum for example and ask whether the Syrian Kurds were regarded as " Humans " by Asad's regime .

I see that you feel strongly about this issue but I can also see that the info gap in your knowledge base .

Ba'ath regime is not your friend and Asad is a mass murderer of his own people .



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Nobody is saying Assad or his father are saints.

Where is it written by anyone here who said that?

We all know about Syrian history

You’re bringing up a straw man.

Its about THE PEOPLE IN SYRIA NOW!

They were doing better then they are doing since your revolutionaries destroyed the country

Just like the people who condemned Khadafy in justifying the US intervention in Libya.... Well now look what they’ve wrought in Libya.

You want the same in Syria?

...a bunch of crazy Wahhabi jihadis going around killing each other while the people suffer



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 04:25 PM
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usa supports the idea of saudis invade syria aa.com.tr...

Iran believes saudis dont have it/dare to invade syria sputniknews.com...

If saudis invade syria, turks will as well... I see russia with turks and iranians with saudis.

Saudi media speak for a 150.000 men getting ready to invade syria. arabic.cnn.com...

And finally Syria announced any attempt by arabs, turks, etc, to enter Syria, is an act of war. sputnik
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posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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This is just because Saudi/US proxy army (Rebels) are about to be beaten and the civil war lost to them...So now the backers must come out into the light to try and prevent this happening.....IMHO of course.



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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i dont think either the us or russia wants war. and as far as turkey goes, it was one plane against one plane, there is nothing cowardly about that



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 01:06 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

You take it too literally and personally, friend.


"Russian exports of passenger automobiles amounted to $980 million compared to $13.5 billion in weapons. Given that the price point on tanks and aircraft is much higher than on passenger cars, I would have to say that the actual production of automobiles is faster than that of weapons systems, although it is not as important to the economy."


Good you searched that info! Actually you prove my point, although I didn't know those numbers and said it allegorically.

The official numbers of the Russian military industry may not be the real numbers btw.
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posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 07:22 AM
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a reply to: xzcvwoo

I'm pretty sure I read there were two Turkish F-16s that attacked the SU-24 !

And the SU wasn't expecting to be shot out of the sky from behind by supposed allies in the fight against ISIS
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posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 09:47 AM
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such thing is done when you are at war, or at least a tense standoff. Russia was one of the biggest trade partners of Turkey, and never aided let say Kurdish resistance or so. Turkey didn't warn the plane as it is the international practice, the two F16 should escort Su24 out of air space. Su24 is old plane and not a match for F16. (Su35 is, now deployed).

As NATO itself escorts the Russian Bear bombers when they patrol nearby its airspace.

Actually Su24 had only 1 min or less trespass with that speed over bumpy border.

It is a shame for the conscience of the Turkish nation. It is a shame for NATO to aid Turkey, under pretext that Turkey "defended itself". Defended from WHAT? It is not secret for anyone what Turkey is doing with the Kurds, inside and outside Turk territory. Does NATO support THAT? Does Turkey bomb Daesh, or does Turkey SUPPORT Daesh, as Turk MPs said and were prosecuted for treason?

In fact some NATO members distanced themselves from Turkey, one of them Germany. NATO would do better to distance itself from Turkey as much as possible and as soon as possible. NATO wouldn't want to collectively suffer punishment of Russia. Because Cold War scenarios are still in the office of the chief of staff, although a little bit dusty.
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posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 10:03 AM
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NATO is not supporting Turkey. The situation is, in effect, a personal matter between Erdogan and Putin. They are alpha males competing for dominance.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: 2012newstart

NATO is not supporting Turkey. The situation is, in effect, a personal matter between Erdogan and Putin. They are alpha males competing for dominance.
one of them will get a polonium enema.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 10:49 AM
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We all know about Syrian history


Obviously not if your blaming the US for the civil war in Syria.



They were doing better then they are doing since your revolutionaries destroyed the country



Pretty sure they are Syrians fighting and I am pretty sure the Syrian regime has a big hand in destroying the country.



Just like the people who condemned Khadafy in justifying the US intervention in Libya.... Well now look what they’ve wrought in Libya.


Lovely your defending a man who had an entire plane of innocent civilians killed over Lockerbie...feels good defending him doesn't it?

Yep let's forget all the atrocities those two dictators have done to their own people like jailing bloggers because of what they said in a blog.


Others were not so lucky. In 2006, Syrian Tarek Alghorani was sentenced to seven years in jail for the contents of his blog.


www.newsweek.com...


According to the UN, Syrian armed and security forces may be responsible for: unlawful killing, including of children (mostly boys), medical personnel and hospital patients ("In some particularly grave instances, entire families were executed in their homes"); torture, including of children (mostly boys, sometimes to death) and hospital patients, and including sexual and psychological torture; arbitrary arrest "on a massive scale"; deployment of tanks and helicopter gunships in densely populated areas; heavy and indiscriminate shelling of civilian areas; collective punishment; enforced disappearances; widescale and systematic destruction and looting of property; the systematic denial, in some areas, of food and water; and the prevention of medical treatment, including to children - in the period since 15 March 2011.[


en.wikipedia.org...


Gruesome Details of Gadhafi's Rape of Teenagers and Other Crimes Revealed



Some victims were drafted into Gadhafi's unit of private female bodyguards, enduring years of rape and abuse and forced to witness the execution of opponents to the regime.

"Early one morning, we were taken to a closed hall," one former member recalled. "We were to witness the murder of 17 students. We were not allowed to scream. We were made to cheer and shout. To act as though we were delighted by this display. Inside I was crying. They shot them all, one by one."

"The women would first be raped by the dictator then passed on, like used objects, to one of his sons and eventually to high-ranking officials for more abuse," said Benghazi-based psychologist Seham Sergewa, who interviewed victims for the International Criminal Court.


www.haaretz.com...

Even Iran knew how bad Gaddafi was...

edition.presstv.ir...

But these two men are okay in your book, as long as you get to say the US is the big bad boogey man that creates all the bad in the world.

Be proud your defending these two men...hope it makes you fell good.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 10:54 AM
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NATO is not supporting Turkey.


Well they are supporting Turkey in the way of them having the right to defend their airspace against unwanted intruders namely Russia, but other than that they aren't.



posted on Feb, 7 2016 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: DJW001




NATO is not supporting Turkey.


Well they are supporting Turkey in the way of them having the right to defend their airspace against unwanted intruders namely Russia, but other than that they aren't.



it is the Law that defends the Turkish position in this matter ; USA barely acknowledges the Law.




ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Turkey's president has lashed out at the United States a week after a President Barack Obama's envoy visited a northern Syrian town that is under the control of Syrian Kurdish forces, which Ankara considers terrorists.
In comments published Sunday, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Washington should choose between Turkey and the Kurdish Democratic Union Party, or PYD, as its partner.

That came after envoy Brett McGurk's visit to Kobani, where the PYD's military wing, aided by U.S.-led airstrikes, drove back Islamic State militants a year ago. Turkey considers PYD a terror group because of its affiliation with Turkey's outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK.

Erdogan said: "How can we trust you? Is it me that is your partner or is it the terrorists in Kobani?"




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