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Downed Russian SU-24 black box first information

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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Ploutonas

So how does Dronov know that the flight recorder proves that the plane didn't violate Turkish airspace if the data hasn't been analyzed yet? Is he psychic?


I am not an investigator but I watch a show called " plane crash " or something like that in the cable tv - all the big plane crashes in the history. Investigators get all data from the control centers, they also examine the debris, voice recordings with the control centers, the control managers, flight paths, satellite images, pilots background, they have to dismiss the possibility of the plane faults (accident because of technical or pilot mistakes) and the last thing they open is the black box. Its all about it.

edit on 18-12-2015 by Ploutonas because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: 23432




Any president worth his salt would order an inquiry into as to why his planes are bombing Turkmens in Syria .


Lets start there,shall we?

www.bbc.com...


Reports say the brigades work with other opposition armed groups in the northern Latakia countryside, including the FSA, the al-Qaeda affiliated Nusra Front and the Islamist Ahrar al-Sham.

The area has often been the flashpoint of clashes between the brigades on the one hand, and the Syrian army, Iranian forces and Lebanese Hezbollah on the other, who enjoy Russian air support.

Their main opponents are the regular Syrian army and the Islamic State (IS) militant group


So is it any wonder that they are now being attacked? Seriously?




Turks & Greeks have a dispute in Aegean and as such the borders are not accepted by both parties .


Um Turkey can't seem to stay within its borders at all. Its neighbors all have issues with them. It seems Turkish pilots are dumb or something.They just can't seem to keep within their borders. But then again,Almost all countries that have an air force now and then have a pilot stray into someone elses air space,just not everyday.




You could say that Erdogan has started a war against the masonic power in Turkey and If he succeds , USA is next .


Lol, heil Erdogan? Come on now. He isn't going to save anyone from anything. He is a corrupt despot quite honestly. He is lining his pockets as we speak. I'll bet he doesn't even stay in Turkey after he finally steps down (if not overthrown). He jails anyone that disagrees with him,and you want to back him up? Anyone in Turkey that exposes corruption and disagrees with the "Emperor" finds themselves in jail really fast. I would not be holding him up as a beacon to free us from the Masons or anyone else.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: 23432




Any president worth his salt would order an inquiry into as to why his planes are bombing Turkmens in Syria .


Lets start there,shall we?

www.bbc.com...


Reports say the brigades work with other opposition armed groups in the northern Latakia countryside, including the FSA, the al-Qaeda affiliated Nusra Front and the Islamist Ahrar al-Sham.

The area has often been the flashpoint of clashes between the brigades on the one hand, and the Syrian army, Iranian forces and Lebanese Hezbollah on the other, who enjoy Russian air support.

Their main opponents are the regular Syrian army and the Islamic State (IS) militant group


So is it any wonder that they are now being attacked? Seriously?




Turks & Greeks have a dispute in Aegean and as such the borders are not accepted by both parties .


Um Turkey can't seem to stay within its borders at all. Its neighbors all have issues with them. It seems Turkish pilots are dumb or something.They just can't seem to keep within their borders. But then again,Almost all countries that have an air force now and then have a pilot stray into someone elses air space,just not everyday.




You could say that Erdogan has started a war against the masonic power in Turkey and If he succeds , USA is next .


Lol, heil Erdogan? Come on now. He isn't going to save anyone from anything. He is a corrupt despot quite honestly. He is lining his pockets as we speak. I'll bet he doesn't even stay in Turkey after he finally steps down (if not overthrown). He jails anyone that disagrees with him,and you want to back him up? Anyone in Turkey that exposes corruption and disagrees with the "Emperor" finds themselves in jail really fast. I would not be holding him up as a beacon to free us from the Masons or anyone else.



Your link says Turkmen are against Daesh .The investigation I am talking about is the one where Putin finds out who set him up for this crap , who is responsible for ordering the bombnig of Turkmen , not who the Turkmen are in the first place ; that is irrelevant.
Syrian regime has no legitemacy ; it doesn't represent Turkmens .

Greek & Turkish border issue is about Greeks thinking that they can actually close the Aegean & Mediterrenean to Turkish Shipping .
Childish expectation which bears no resembelance to reality and equality on the ground.

I already mentioned it once or twice ; If Greek claims are accepted then my swimming pool in Bodrum is partially in Greece ; this is no pun or a joke .
It's ridiculosness at a level which would make anyone with a sane mind go , for f**k sake Yorgo , are you crazy or what ?

If you check the Greek islands location on a map you'll see that I am telling the truth .

The issue is not about Turks violating borders but confining Turks in the Med & Aegean which in an off itself is a counter measure to Turks blocking Russia at the Bosphorous .

Whatever you may think of Turks ; one thing is for sure , those who steal from Turks end up being killed by Turks .
Erdogan is no exception , if an one day there is a definite proof , Turks will kill him .

I disagree with Erdogan on many issues yet no one is putting me to jail .

And it is true , he does fight against Masons who all want to do all sorts of horrible stuff to people in their Dominions .

Masons use to control Turkey too but since 2007 , erdogan told them to shove it up their collective behinds .

One of the biggest projects in Istanbul is the New Finance Center which will employ 40.000 people .
They are currently underwriting Islamic Financial Instruments to be sold to public soon .

Debt based economy to resource based economy is on the cards and preps are being carried out ; when the time is right , Erdogan will pass a legislation to restrict interest charges in Turkey .

edit on 18-12-2015 by 23432 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Ploutonas

Ok...Who has the Black Box?...Not Russia right? Some Neutral UN agency? Right?....

Cuz of course it would be difficult to believe what Russia declares...

I mean Putin's crew was the one that straight faced told the world they weren't in Crimea...

Amongst a steady stream of regular BS..

Who has the box?



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Ploutonas

Ok...Who has the Black Box?...Not Russia right? Some Neutral UN agency? Right?....

Cuz of course it would be difficult to believe what Russia declares...

I mean Putin's crew was the one that straight faced told the world they weren't in Crimea...

Amongst a steady stream of regular BS..

Who has the box?





I think the fact that the US done a 180 and wants to work with Russia kind of shows we don't do things like Turkey or want a situation like that to happen.

My guess Turkey gets booked from NATO eventually.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

your claim is invalid, because the team of investigators includes some western specialists too. If the western specialists felt like something is wrong, they wouldn't say it, or at least quit the investigation team?

The countries who send their own investigators, surelly offered their intelligence and a wider satellite material access as well..

I remember the plane crash event in Crimaia and USA presented their own satellite data and Russia theirs. Did USA offered their data this time ? At least its a certainty that UK did, since they send their own investigator. So I want to believe that the claims of Dronov guy, represent the team effort and not a personal opinion.

edit on 18-12-2015 by Ploutonas because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: 23432




Any president worth his salt would order an inquiry into as to why his planes are bombing Turkmens in Syria .


Lets start there,shall we?

www.bbc.com...


Reports say the brigades work with other opposition armed groups in the northern Latakia countryside, including the FSA, the al-Qaeda affiliated Nusra Front and the Islamist Ahrar al-Sham.

The area has often been the flashpoint of clashes between the brigades on the one hand, and the Syrian army, Iranian forces and Lebanese Hezbollah on the other, who enjoy Russian air support.

Their main opponents are the regular Syrian army and the Islamic State (IS) militant group


So is it any wonder that they are now being attacked? Seriously?




Turks & Greeks have a dispute in Aegean and as such the borders are not accepted by both parties .


Um Turkey can't seem to stay within its borders at all. Its neighbors all have issues with them. It seems Turkish pilots are dumb or something.They just can't seem to keep within their borders. But then again,Almost all countries that have an air force now and then have a pilot stray into someone elses air space,just not everyday.




You could say that Erdogan has started a war against the masonic power in Turkey and If he succeds , USA is next .


Lol, heil Erdogan? Come on now. He isn't going to save anyone from anything. He is a corrupt despot quite honestly. He is lining his pockets as we speak. I'll bet he doesn't even stay in Turkey after he finally steps down (if not overthrown). He jails anyone that disagrees with him,and you want to back him up? Anyone in Turkey that exposes corruption and disagrees with the "Emperor" finds themselves in jail really fast. I would not be holding him up as a beacon to free us from the Masons or anyone else.



Your link says Turkmen are against Daesh .The investigation I am talking about is the one where Putin finds out who set him up for this crap , who is responsible for ordering the bombnig of Turkmen , not who the Turkmen are in the first place ; that is irrelevant.
Syrian regime has no legitemacy ; it doesn't represent Turkmens .

Greek & Turkish border issue is about Greeks thinking that they can actually close the Aegean & Mediterrenean to Turkish Shipping .
Childish expectation which bears no resembelance to reality and equality on the ground.

I already mentioned it once or twice ; If Greek claims are accepted then my swimming pool in Bodrum is partially in Greece ; this is no pun or a joke .
It's ridiculosness at a level which would make anyone with a sane mind go , for f**k sake Yorgo , are you crazy or what ?

If you check the Greek islands location on a map you'll see that I am telling the truth .

The issue is not about Turks violating borders but confining Turks in the Med & Aegean which in an off itself is a counter measure to Turks blocking Russia at the Bosphorous .

Whatever you may think of Turks ; one thing is for sure , those who steal from Turks end up being killed by Turks .
Erdogan is no exception , if an one day there is a definite proof , Turks will kill him .

I disagree with Erdogan on many issues yet no one is putting me to jail .

And it is true , he does fight against Masons who all want to do all sorts of horrible stuff to people in their Dominions .

Masons use to control Turkey too but since 2007 , erdogan told them to shove it up their collective behinds .

One of the biggest projects in Istanbul is the New Finance Center which will employ 40.000 people .
They are currently underwriting Islamic Financial Instruments to be sold to public soon .

Debt based economy to resource based economy is on the cards and preps are being carried out ; when the time is right , Erdogan will pass a legislation to restrict interest charges in Turkey .


The box may show just how trigger happy Erdogan was. Especially seeing as his narrative of the timeline can't even.be true with his flight plan the Russian planes wouldn't be in the air for five minutes unless they were performing an airshow for the people on the ground

You never pay debt with debt especially an emerging nation. Over one third of your gdp is short term debt, and 42 percent of the gdp is debt. The growth you see is foreign investment and hot money. This is a classic building bubble. You are confusing an emerging economy vs Germany? Not even close to the same set up.

Fact is Turkey and Russia share very similar characteristics. Russia is criticized and so should Erdogan be for very similar behaviour. Russia actually has resources. Your "resource based economy" is really foreign investment. Eventually the ponzi scheme will reach its max and the debt will devour the gdp. Then foreign investors will own and buy the buildings back cheaply. A classic.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Ploutonas


your claim is invalid, because the team of investigators includes some western specialists too. If the western specialists felt like something is wrong, they wouldn't say it, or at least quit the investigation team?


They are not so much investigators as witnesses to the process. As I pointed out above, the Russian media will present their statement in a way which will support the Russian story, irrespective of what they actually say.


The countries who send their own investigators, surelly offered their intelligence and a wider satellite material access as well..


Neither Britain nor China was capable of monitoring the situation. It is possible the US or Israel has some data, but you can bet Russia would not accept the American data and Turkey would not accept the Israeli.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: luthier


My guess Turkey gets booked from NATO eventually.



Erdogan will have a lethal stroke before that happens.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: sosobad

i clicked on the link in your post is the same as the one in the OP.
in that very same link it says they have not done any work on it.


Until now no work has been done with the black box. It is in the same condition as it was found at the crash site."


so tell me how, if they have not done any work on it,how can can still say that they have proof from the black box?

then in the BBC article it says the data is missing see my edit in last post.


Nikolai Primak, head of the Russian investigation, said flight information appeared to be missing.




Unless you are trying to say that the British and Chinese specialists aren't there at all??


what i'm saying is we are two things which can't be true together. how can it be damaged and flight information missing the data and have them have proof?


Maybe Russia has other ways of tracking it's fighter jets position? Maybe these are classified, kr at the very least not something they want to expose to the whole world. Both statements can be true, you have just already made up your mind.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

We have some news about israeli and turkish relationship restoration.

So why not?

Either ways the aggressor will never accept any proofs given. Instead they will try convince otherwise.

edit on 18-12-2015 by Ploutonas because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Ploutonas


your claim is invalid, because the team of investigators includes some western specialists too. If the western specialists felt like something is wrong, they wouldn't say it, or at least quit the investigation team?


They are not so much investigators as witnesses to the process. As I pointed out above, the Russian media will present their statement in a way which will support the Russian story, irrespective of what they actually say.


The countries who send their own investigators, surelly offered their intelligence and a wider satellite material access as well..


Neither Britain nor China was capable of monitoring the situation. It is possible the US or Israel has some data, but you can bet Russia would not accept the American data and Turkey would not accept the Israeli.


I think the sudden turn around with US relations with Russia may be some of this data sharing. We have Obama calling on Turkey to leave Iraq immediately and only after a few days of an election Erdogan once again is beating up on Kurds. (Terrorists of course). I think the exposure is too much to deny and we won't want to be associated with people like Erdogan. They are exactly the entangling alliance the US fore fathers warned of.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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according to the bbc article i just read, "Nicoli Primak, head of the russian investigation, said flight information appeared to be missing." lol


i'd take any russian "proofs" with a grain of salt. anyone remember the fake satilite photo of mh17 being shot down by a ukrainian su-25?

a reply to: Ploutonas

edit on 18-12-2015 by LordSnow21 because: to add



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: LordSnow21

“We can see that on the upper plate, three of the eight microchips have clearly been damaged. That tells us, as one can see, that the flight information in them is missing,” Primak said.

So its because its damaged, not because someone took it away. What they can do, is to check if the chipsets are ok, they could use some IT guys to remove the chipsets from one broken pcb and place them into another with de-soldering and soldering(?). We can do that with HDDs, if our sata connectors brake or the pcb is damaged, we remove the bios/info chip and place it into another. So if our hdd/pcb is broken, we dont have to throw it away, we can add a new pcb (but we need some soldering skills, how to remove a chipset and stick it in the new pcb).

we will know in 1 week, after they analyse it.
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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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You know, arguing with these two is a waste of time.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: 23432

Germany doesn't have much to say about the US killing innocents in air strikes. it seems no one does. that is also what gets ignored in this propaganda war isnt it? fact of the matter is civilian casualties are inevitable. every war ever has had civilian casualties and they usually outweigh militant casualties. is your suggestion that everyone stop fighting isis in fear of civilian suffering?


It is my suggestion that the parties who are in Syria are not there predominantly to fight Daesh but a secure their interest in the up an coming unravelling of Syria and Iraq .

Besides here is a picture of area the jet was shot down , faaaar away from DAESH controlled areas .



The only reason Turkmen got bombed is because Asad wanted it . It had nothing to with DAESH whatsoever .

The Russian airbase is right next to where the jet was downed, latakia
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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: 23432

Germany doesn't have much to say about the US killing innocents in air strikes. it seems no one does. that is also what gets ignored in this propaganda war isnt it? fact of the matter is civilian casualties are inevitable. every war ever has had civilian casualties and they usually outweigh militant casualties. is your suggestion that everyone stop fighting isis in fear of civilian suffering?


It is my suggestion that the parties who are in Syria are not there predominantly to fight Daesh but a secure their interest in the up an coming unravelling of Syria and Iraq .

Besides here is a picture of area the jet was shot down , faaaar away from DAESH controlled areas .



The only reason Turkmen got bombed is because Asad wanted it . It had nothing to with DAESH whatsoever .


How many sorties did the two Russian SU 24 do on the same target before they were shot Down by the two F-16s ?

The Russians had been attacking the same targets more than once before they were attacked.


Can you tell me where exactly and at what altitude the two F-16 were prior to the attack....?
edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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just to add, russian su-24 use "walmart" grade GPS.


Check Out The Walmart-Grade GPS Systems In These Russian Attack Jets



foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com...



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: 23432

ok but the reality is they dont. they just spend a bunch of money "fighting" against drugs with no real impact on the situation. and you want them to do the same with ISIS. i came to that conclusion because thats literally what you wrote.

i dont watch TV at all... im saying figure out whats going on in the world. cuz it doesnt seem like you get it. you think a valid military strategy is throwing more troops at the problem. if you bothered to listen to anyone that knows anything about warfare youd know that this is an absurd idea.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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If it cannot reach these goals and bring order to the region, it will not bring order to the region.


if they fail they will fail. right, thanks dude. glad you let me know that.




allow me to preview what you will be reading on Sputnik.


well dont i didn't ask you too. i wasn't even talking about it. i dont care.



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