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Downed Russian SU-24 black box first information

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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:26 AM
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The first articles start appearing


The "black box" reveals and demonstrates how the Su-24 that shot down by air-to-air missiles fired by the Turkish F-16 have not crossed the Turkish border. "In any case, the Russian bomber Su-24 did not constitute a threat for Turkey and its citizens," said Sergei Dronov. "At present we can say that we have all the necessary information available to us: we have the proof that the Russian Su-24 did not violate Turkish airspace," he added. Russians insist the Turkish radar did not warned the Russian pilots and suddenly the Turkish F-16 violated the Syrian airspace and launched a missile to Su-24.


From the first information given from the black box, the sanctions against turkey will be toughened, he added.

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I will update the topic later on with more articles. This is the first website with info about the black box.

after edit : Some english press

www.ibtimes.com...
www.bbc.com...
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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:31 AM
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a reply to: Ploutonas

Well that will put a downer on the anti Russian crowd if true....



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: Ploutonas

Thanks for the thread op ,,S&F and as a mark to follow ....



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:48 AM
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Well, well S&F thanks for the thread....


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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 04:52 AM
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"In order to ensure maximal transparency and openness, we addressed foreign experts from 14 countries with an invitation to take part in the work [investigation] as observers. However, many specialists refused to participate in the investigation citing various reasons, excluding only Liu Chang Wei from China and Jonathan Gillespie from the United Kingdom," Dronov said, according to Tass.


www.ibtimes.com...

Adding this before anyone tries to say that Russia is manipulating the data.
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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 05:18 AM
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With these articles we can safely add "Turkey you have a problem" - Not even NATO can save you now.
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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 05:32 AM
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When I first watched this vid I was wondering what the plan was . Russian intell must have seen what was going on and the plan they wanted to work out .We have seen Putin making decisions that seem to be a couple steps ahead ,and have bigger results at the end of the day then he could have got by knee jerk reactions ...The 4+1 has a plan that will turn the situation around and probably cause them (the bad guys) to expose themselves to the rest of the world . I think that would explain the flip flopping by the wests rhetoric as of late . Even the new Saudi collation started falling apart moments after it was announced .....



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 05:40 AM
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a reply to: Ploutonas
The black box is damaged and the memory inside is damaged........how fricking convenient. The only proof that the Russian's version is the truth is their word.

Brains on folks. Get the batteries in the bullsh.t meter.


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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 05:50 AM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad
a reply to: Ploutonas
The black box is damaged and the memory inside is damaged........how fricking convenient. The only proof that the Russian's version is the truth is their word.

Brains on folks. Get the batteries in the bullsh.t meter.



Hey I must start posting in the prediction forum. Read my last post, it is being analyzed by British and Chinese experts also. Brains on indeed



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 05:53 AM
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Yes damaged but not destroyed .I would think there may be enough data points that can be compared to other radar data to see whos matches the points that can be established .Turkey needs to turn over their data that shows the SU24 violated their air space .



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:03 AM
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adding this to say that they are, from the IBT OP's LINk


Dronov also said that the flight data recorder of the downed jet is damaged, and “deciphering flight data will be held with use of special equipment. Until now no work has been done with the black box. It is in the same condition as it was found at the crash site."
Russian Su-24 Jet Attack: Moscow Has Proof Downed Jet Posed No Threat To Turkey; Black Box Damaged


and from the BBC article.

The memory card in the flight recorder of a Russian fighter plane downed by Turkey on the Syrian border last month is damaged, Russian investigators say. The "black box" of the Su-24 jet was officially opened in Moscow on Friday in front of journalists and diplomats. Nikolai Primak, head of the Russian investigation, said flight information appeared to be missing. Data from the box could help resolve the dispute over the jet's location when it was hit. An analysis is expected to be released next week.
Russia Turkey: Sukhoi jet black box 'damaged'


so you have one link saying they have data from the box, and one saying that it is damaged and special equipment is needed to work on it and it is just as they found it at the crash site.

so which statement is true?


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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:05 AM
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"In order to ensure maximal transparency and openness, we addressed foreign experts from 14 countries with an invitation to take part in the work [investigation] as observers. However, many specialists refused to participate in the investigation citing various reasons, excluding only Liu Chang Wei from China and Jonathan Gillespie from the United Kingdom,"


So I gather from this statement the U.S. refused to participate in the investigation. At least they have one representative from the U.K. that will represent the west. If the U.S. refused to participate in this investigation, it tarnishes it's allegations that Russia did cross into the Turkish border. What does the U.S. have to lose by taking part in this investigation in which Russia has invited other countries to participate? Here is an invitation for the U.S. to get to the truth of the matter. Yet they decline?

What does this say about American citizen's trusting their government? Are they afraid they will be proven wrong? Does it also show America is protecting a country that has ties with ISIS? Isn't world cooperation what we're striving for? Nothing like governments refusing to work together to get at the truth. Is there any wonder why people around the world and in the United States question their government motives?
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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:09 AM
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My link states that there independent specialists from Britain and China there while it's being studied. I know you got excited and put your comment in big red letters but I fail to see how them still waiting for data from the damaged cards relate to my post. They have stated

Three of eight chips from Su-24 jet's flight data recorder were completely damaged due to the Turkish F-16 missile strike, Sputnik News reported citing the Russian Aerospace Forces.


Unless you are trying to say that the British and Chinese specialists aren't there at all??
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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

I agree 100% that USA acted bold as Turks did from the first place. Refusing taking part into an investigation, that relates with the "war in terrorism" and USA advertise it so much, they give us the "message" that they have something to fear.

Since there is a brit investigator, I believe thats fine.

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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:12 AM
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I'm glad the UK sent someone there,USA should have sent someone as well



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:14 AM
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Thanks for the thread. Will keep an eye on this.

A few posters within ATS in particular I would like to hear their opinion on this, given up until now they have been huge fans of Turkeys actions to down the jet.

Hashtag hate to say I told you so.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:15 AM
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FWIW, which is nothing.....I'm very skeptical that the SU-24 violate Turkish air space. What I do suspect is that Turkey has asserted a combat control zone of air space over an area that would otherwise be considered Syrian air space.



posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:17 AM
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What ever this black Box reveal. It has already being stated by NATO that they show no interest in that information. This does not meam the Russian information is false.

To a Norwegian reporter Jens Stoltenberg said that the Downing of the Russian SU 24 have created internal differences within NATO. There are NATO members who show interests in the Russian black Box. But the information might not be in the best interests of the NATO coallition. The main goal for NATO members is to try and deescalate the situation and try and establish better communication With Russia and Turkey.

At the end Jens said. There are indifferences within NATO but we have to appear United to the world.


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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: sosobad

i clicked on the link in your post is the same as the one in the OP.
in that very same link it says they have not done any work on it.


Until now no work has been done with the black box. It is in the same condition as it was found at the crash site."


so tell me how, if they have not done any work on it,how can can still say that they have proof from the black box?

then in the BBC article it says the data is missing see my edit in last post.


Nikolai Primak, head of the Russian investigation, said flight information appeared to be missing.




Unless you are trying to say that the British and Chinese specialists aren't there at all??


what i'm saying is we are two things which can't be true together. how can it be damaged and flight information missing the data and have them have proof?

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posted on Dec, 18 2015 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: angryhulk

I can't claim to be a supporter of Turkey's actions because there simply isn't enough data to tell me what Turkey's pilots were thinking in terms of the positions of the SU-24 vis-a-vis "claimed" Turkish air space. Logically speaking, it makes no sense that the Russian pilots would have intentionally over flown Turkish air space as internationally recognized. But it might be the case that the Russians refuse to recognize Turkey's claim of "Turkey Controlled" or "Turkey Claimed" Syrian air space.




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