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Students Homework - Write Statement of Islamic Faith

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posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Annee

However, I'm a major supporter of multiculturalism.


Why? I'd love to hear your reasons.


My reason was in my post.

I was raised in a squeaky white Christian neighborhood. That's not what the world is.

It's a disservice to isolate children from the real world.


Whats wrong with a white neighborhood? Would you feel the same if you had grown up in a black neighborhood?




posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Annee

Shown the Koran and experiencing the headscarf has what to do with the the word meaning of an art project. Oh, the drama!

I agree.

You stated:

So all they were assigned to do is copy a drawing.

I responded:

No you are not correct. It wasn't just a copying exercise.

So I agree there may have have been a bit more drama expressed in your response than may have been necessary.



Thanks. Actually.

I was raised Christian. As my mother was physically disabled she allowed neighbors to take us to church. It was various neighbors, and various churches - mostly Christian. I experienced early the difference in Christianity and the people. Some were very critical and judgmental. Some were very open to life and different experiences.

How a parent handles any circumstance involving their child is the key.

Should/would this have been different if parents handled it differently?



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Annee

However, I'm a major supporter of multiculturalism.


Why? I'd love to hear your reasons.


My reason was in my post.

I was raised in a squeaky white Christian neighborhood. That's not what the world is.

It's a disservice to isolate children from the real world.


Whats wrong with a white neighborhood? Would you feel the same if you had grown up in a black neighborhood?


Black & white?

That's it?



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: BarefootInWinter
a reply to: boymonkey74

Oh, I agree that it's good to learn about the world and not be sheltered from our differences. Plus, it was part of a curriculum most people in public schools learn...most high schools require a few different history classes to graduate in the US.

I myself don't think it was sinister in any way...but I can understand why parents are upset. The tension towards Muslims and Islamic faith is just too strong right now. I believe that had this happened even just a few months ago, we most likely wouldn't have heard about it outside of that community. Schools probably wouldn't have been closed either.

At issue, more so for me, is that it DOES go against church/state guidelines. It's the lack of attention to detail for whatever group picks out classroom materials for their county or state really. I don't think it's an appropriate statement for kids to copy in school. There are millions of things they could have written in Calligraphy, and it most definitely didn't have to be a statement of faith in Islam. Anybody with half a brain SHOULD have seen that reaction coming from miles away.

I do think it's an over-reaction for sure though. I find the timing conspicuous perhaps.


This is the best time to nip misconceptions about Islam before every half-cocked nitwit with a webcam and keyboard floods our media feeds with more conjecture and ignorance than world weekly news. When I was in high school, I learned about almost every major religion. Including Judaism and Islam. Because that's what education is about. Don't get jumpy, get informed. Religion has enormous cultural relevance, and if parents are scared, that just tells me how much faith they have in their own. Writing on a piece of paper doesn't change who you are, unless you are appallingly suggestible. ...oh wait.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74
I agree completely, silly fuss about nothing.
I learned about all major religions in the world and the conflicting nature of them all helped me on my path to non belief.
All are equally ridiculous in my opinion.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Annee

You can see for yourself.

Students Were Given a Drawing Assignment for a Lesson on Islam. Then Parents Googled Its Meaning…



We've been over this already.

Parents could have handled it internally.

These parents wanted the outrage and sensationalism.


edit on 21-12-2015 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:12 AM
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I bet writing a passage saying homosexuality is a sin in Hebrew isn't all that bad, they'd just be copying it down.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: jheated5
I bet writing a passage saying homosexuality is a sin in Hebrew isn't all that bad, they'd just be copying it down.


It was an art project.

Not a word project.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: jheated5
I bet writing a passage saying homosexuality is a sin in Hebrew isn't all that bad, they'd just be copying it down.


It was an art project.

Not a word project.


Good luck teaching that calligraphy without using any words.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: TheBulk
a reply to: BarefootInWinter

Isn't it interesting how anti-religion in schools the left is when we're talking about Christianity, but suddenly they turn pro-religion when we're talking about Islam in schools?


And that is the part that they are trying to skirt.

If the country being studied practiced the the Jewish religion or Christianity, they would never have included any details of the country's declaration of religious faiths, They would not have them copy Hebrew biblical text, nor would they have passed around the Torah or the Catholic Bible. The would not have forced the children to dress in the unique Hasidim Jewish clothing or any other garb particular to those religions.

The refusal of many to admit that this is a covert means to promote Islam as a welcomed religion, while painting the other larger religions as undesirable, with no place in our schools, speaks volumes.

What screams even louder is the degree of fervor expressed the moment anyone points out these obvious discrepancies, and the way they attack.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: Annee

Parents could have handled it internally. These parents wanted the outrage and sensationalism.

Maybe the parents have learned that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Maybe they have learned that it takes a loud voice with a large supportive backing, before they will be heard.

The only thing they have gained by trying to work peacefully within the system, was they got run over roughshod.

They are learning from those who seem to be the most successful at getting what they want and being heard.




posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
And that is the part that they are trying to skirt.

If the country being studied practiced the the Jewish religion or Christianity, they would never have included any details of the country's declaration of religious faiths, They would not have them copy Hebrew biblical text, nor would they have passed around the Torah or the Catholic Bible. The would not have forced the children to dress in the unique Hasidim Jewish clothing or any other garb particular to those religions.

The refusal of many to admit that this is a covert means to promote Islam as a welcomed religion, while painting the other larger religions as undesirable, with no place in our schools, speaks volumes.

What screams even louder is the degree of fervor expressed the moment anyone points out these obvious discrepancies, and the way they attack.



I said it before and I say it again: in the UK children learn about Christian prayers and songs and when they visited a synagogue they touched and discussed the artifacts Jewish people use to pray and they were shown the scroll (the Torah).

All religions are equally taught.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Why did you post a video of Muslims handling an issue internally at their school board meeting?

Are you showing that others are more civilized than the freaked out Christians?



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: jheated5

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: jheated5
I bet writing a passage saying homosexuality is a sin in Hebrew isn't all that bad, they'd just be copying it down.


It was an art project.

Not a word project.


Good luck teaching that calligraphy without using any words.

It is not just non-Muslims that is upset with this project.


I think she is saying exactly what many here are saying. Maybe those that think they have to protect Muslims at every step, and two for protection at every corner, should take a closer look at what they are really doing and saying.

They are not helping Muslims, they are making the the situation more divisive and creating animosity were there should not be any.

This woman is on the same side as the protesting parents, and for many of the same reasons. The Muslim parents and the non-Muslims parents would would be making a stand together, if the unnecessary Protectors would get the hell out of the way, as I feel it was all too well, demonstrated by the aggression and the persistence of the man that was interviewing her.

A good case of how overzealous do gooders can make nothing but a bigger mess.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Why did you post a video of Muslims handling an issue internally at their school board meeting?

Are you showing that others are more civilized than the freaked out Christians?


My video was in response to the comment:


These parents wanted the outrage and sensationalism.

Unless you were looking at a different video, its looks like Christians are not the only ones that get angry and freaked out.





edit on 21-12-2015 by NightSkyeB4Dawn because: Word corrections.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I see the outrage from the parents in the video, but I don't see any sensationalism. Just parents at their school board meeting walking out after being refused.

How do you equate the video with people going coocoo for calligraphy?
edit on 21-12-2015 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: Agartha

I said it before and I say it again: in the UK children learn about Christian prayers and songs and when they visited a synagogue they touched and discussed the artifacts Jewish people use to pray and they were shown the scroll (the Torah). All religions are equally taught.

That may be the way it is done in the UK, but religion is not allowed to be taught in the schools in the US.

It would not be a big deal if the situation was handled equally, the way you say it is done in the UK, however, all religion has been removed from the classrooms in the US, until now. Islam has become the welcomed religion, while all other are being demonized, and there in lies the problem.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

How do you equate the video with people going coocoo for calligraphy?

Show me the parents going cuckoo?



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn Seems a mistake not teaching about different religions in the US, my UK schooling taught me all about Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoism, heck even Zoroastrianism Paganism and druidic beliefs.
Didn't draw me towards believing in any of them though, quite the opposite, they couldn't all be true now could they lol




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