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is the delhi class good?

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posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 08:02 AM
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Hello everyone i m new here and i just wanted to know whether the delhi class ships of the indian navy are good ?. Especially against their chinese and pakistani counter parts. Please provide details.




posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 09:35 AM
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Looks pretty impressive to me.






posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 10:11 AM
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Looks impressive, I wonde what its awareness radius and reach are...as compared to the chinese DDGs...

You Indian Vishu?



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
Looks pretty impressive to me.




Why is this ship flying an American flag? It has a large Indian flag on the bow, but a US flag is being flown from the bridge???



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 01:15 PM
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No no..hehe...Looks like the american flag but it isn't actually..Its got the indian tricolor in the inset..where you have the stars in the american flag and the rest is white...Looks pretty similar though...I needed to look twice too to realise the difference!!


Here is a link for the image:





posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
No no..hehe...Looks like the american flag but it isn't actually..Its got the indian tricolor in the inset..where you have the stars in the american flag and the rest is white...Looks pretty similar though...I needed to look twice too to realise the difference!!


Here is a link for the image:



Now that I look really closely I see .... Kind of weird from a distance though



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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Heres a link that gives more information about the Delhi class ships.

Delhi



INS Mumbai is the third of the "Delhi Class" of guided missile destroyers and represents the cutting edge of combatant technology in the country. The ship is one of the largest and most powerful battle ships built in this part of the globe and has a displacement of 6,700 tonnes. She is propelled to a maximum speed of 32 knots by four gas turbines (64,000 horsepower) and has a crew of 40 officers and 350 men. INS Mumbai has an immense firepower with a weapon package comprising surface-to-surface missiles, a battery of surface-to-air missiles, a 100 mm gun, four 30 mm Gatling guns, torpedoes, anti-submarine rockets and chaff decoys. In addition, she has a state-of-the-art sensor package of modern radars, sonars and electronic warfare suites.


Ship for ship she is competitive with any other navies destroyers.

SS-N-22 Sunburn

[edit on 8-1-2005 by Phoenix]



posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 05:03 AM
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delhi

delhi

check out the above sites for info on Delhi class ships.

below are the chinese destroyers>>
luhai

luda

haizhou(Sovernmenny)

ddg-x

Also what would be the situation if the delhis are fitted with Brahmos?
How good is Sunburn vis-vis Brahmos?
Please somebody tell me in simple terms as to which is better? Delhi or chinese?



posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 07:34 AM
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As impressive as the ship is, there are alot of 90 degree angles there. Thats one HUGE radar magnet.



posted on Jan, 10 2005 @ 08:04 AM
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Yes, quite unstealthy but I doubt that was a major goal in the first place..the ship is quite old...maybe the newer ones incorporate more stealth...i really don't know.. im no INS enthusiast..

And vishu you seem to be acting you're going to buy either a chinese destroyer or an indian one..just like a buyer poising for a purchase..or maybe you've got some one Indo-China thread lined up..



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 04:55 AM
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yeah if i had enough money. Though i dont have any Indo-China thread lined up. Dude but u cant ignore the navy. I mean i agree they dont see much action, but still these guys are good. My question is how good?



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 08:13 AM
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okay IMHO the Indian Navy is quite a potent force, aricraft carriers and all, and is quite a bit more experienced in the 'ways of the sea' than the chinese navy partly becasue the chinese navy hasn't got much of water to freely move about in...most of the great blue pacific is uncle sams playground....except for subs... which also don't go beyond playing hide-n-seek with the Jap coast guard..the chinese navy has pretty much been a coastal affair. but they are a very tech savv navy, all of china's military is tech savvy I'll give them that.
India on the other hand has had the WHOLE Indian Ocean to roam aoround freely al the way down to the antarctic mainland, meaning theoretically they can sneak off into any water body..I've known of incidents where INS destroyers have at least spooked their USN counterparts by turning up in the most sensitive of areas like way up into the Persian Gulf or the Red Sea. And the USN captain's been like "what are you doing in my waters"..and the Indian captain's replied "hell I'm just a cpl of 1000 klicks of my coastline how about you??!!"

Plus there's no real animosity between the US and India so there no eral dnager of a something going wrong..The Indian navy also has had immense experience patroling the Malacca Straits (most important shipping lane ni the world)and dealing with pirates thereabout..so they pretty much know their stuff...China doesn't have the luxury of exploring the seas that freely, but theri tech is rumored to be world class...
Summary:

China: Very technologically advanced (rumored) coastline force, i.e brown water navy along with those SSBNs which any navy would love to have...

India: Might not be as tecnologically advanced as the chinese( or could be also..don't quote me!!
) but definitely very experienced and more mobile..i.e a blue water navy...
btw once India gets those akula II subs, then they'll be one of the best navies in the world IMHO..



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 07:46 PM
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Blue water my butt. You only have 8 old crappy DDGs and can not make any ship on your own. Keep up the bull#t



posted on Jan, 11 2005 @ 07:48 PM
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Now tell me what you have that are comparable to the 4 052 DDGs we made and the 2 Sovy DDGs bought from Russia??? Nothing. The old carriers you have aren't seaworthy anymore and the new russian carrier won't be delivered until 2008. Oh, BTW, you have virtually no ship building capability.



posted on Jan, 12 2005 @ 01:01 AM
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Seaworthy enough for you???!!!


And you can't move your "fancy-shmancy" DDGs more than 500klciks beyond your coastline or Unca Sam will spank you silly with his pacific fleet!!


Also I bet the PLAN still gets nightmares about the Jap Navy from WWII!!

You can't take "lone" DDGs and go out to deep sea w/o a whole fleet of ships..supply/hospital/destroyer/minesweeper/carrier etc. otherwiseyou'll find yourself in a sticky spot...


[edit on 12-1-2005 by Daedalus3]



posted on Jan, 12 2005 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Hawkssss
Now tell me what you have that are comparable to the 4 052 DDGs we made and the 2 Sovy DDGs bought from Russia??? Nothing. The old carriers you have aren't seaworthy anymore and the new russian carrier won't be delivered until 2008. Oh, BTW, you have virtually no ship building capability.


I had already debunked these inane slogans in another thread. Have you so easily forgotten?

I'll let you do the work this time. I want a point-by-point analysis of the Delhi class versus the 052s and the Sovys.

I want you to further explain your idea that Indian carriers 'arent seaworthy', and an explanation based on both current capabilities, current and past projects, that India has 'virtually no ship building capability'


Your posts throughout this entire forum are nothing more than the shrill shrieks of a self-deluded ultra-nationalist.

-Raj



posted on Jan, 12 2005 @ 02:53 AM
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delhi vs sovs

i found this article comparing the two classes.
my question is when do we get supersonic AShM's like sunburn?

what if delhis are fitted with brahmos?



posted on Jan, 12 2005 @ 03:21 AM
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^^^ That was a most unbiased article to say the least...



posted on Jan, 12 2005 @ 11:46 AM
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Vishu, Good article, though a bit dated. The capabilitse of the Delhi class have been upgraded significantly, most notably with the induction of the Barak SAM, and radar, sonar and electronics upgrades.

Re: your question about the induction of supersonic AShMs, the BrahMos has already been inducted in various levels in all classes Destroyers, Frigates and even Corvettes. It is quite superior to the Sunburn in terms of speed, accuracy, warhead, range and cost. Added to the fact that BrahMos is an Indian/Russian product which allows India to build/sell as many of the former as required and to produce derivitives for all services and roles; whereas the sunburn has license restrictions on the Chinese in production number and technology as well as a limitation of its deployment to the Sovry.


Originally posted by Daedalus3the ship is quite old...maybe the newer ones incorporate more stealth

Newer ships, like the Bangalore class (a scaled up Delhi class), incorporate among significant weapons upgrades, a far more reduced RCS than the Delhis; as do the P-17s, Talwars, Brahmaputras, and P-28s.

[edit on 12-1-2005 by rajkhalsa2004]



posted on Jan, 12 2005 @ 05:09 PM
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Akula II? Whats that? The original SSBN akula or the SSN Akula? Acording to Global Security, the SSN Akula is outdated now and it is lacking in the integrated information system, it can only track three targets, they are quite old now. The SSBN Akula are all being scrapped are they not?

India's navy is quite cool but they should build more of their own ships instead of just buying them off Russia. From what I have read off the internet, India is not very good at building their own ships and other equipments and due dates are often not met.

China should get the Tarantulas but upgraded with Yakhonts or just put them in our 2208s, the New YJ is said to be superior to sunburns but who knows if it can be as good as the Yakhonts/Brahmos (same thing not literally but fundamentally). We should also put the TYpe 52D and the Type 54A up for production right now but make the 54A design even more stealthy, the 54A doesn't compare with the 52D design in term of RCS.



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