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Fascism is Not Right Wing, it is socialist.

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posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: GamleGamle

Yeah but in the real world people never live up to their theory.

I think people are under the false assumption of taking theory as how it WILL BE practiced.

Two entirely different animals.




posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: neo96

My understanding of this thread was that fascism is not a right wing leaning government.

Nothing about america, but hey why not get off topic to prove your right


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posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 06:48 PM
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Reading how it has all been jumbled up and confused, it's easy to see Orwell was right.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 06:58 PM
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I just don't see the appeal in fascism, socialism, communism. I don't see how anyone would.

Why can't we just get together, get rid of all the corrupt politicians of the world, and put in place some folks that'll keep the roads in good order? Freedom. Taking care of our neighbors.

No controlling authority, no chance for corruption.

Freedomism.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: neo96

No argument there..... That is why it is important to call something out for what it actually is and not for what it proclaims to be. To weed out the misunderstandings......

Kind Regards



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969



Robert Paxton says that fascism is "a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."[3


en.wikipedia.org...

That sounds a a lot like Occupy,Ferguson, and BLM.

None of those are 'right wing'.

Another thing they have in common is 'social justice' and a 'more equitable' distribution of someone elses money.
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posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Stop changing the subject, nobody said that the right wing politicians in america are fascist, your trying to change the definition of something that wont change, im not sure why, but your trying too.

Fascism is to this day still a right wing style of government.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Fundamentally we all want what you are prescribing to..... the issue is humans being humans.

Its like a plane or a car, sometimes its due to the system, most of the time its due to human error when something goes wrong.

Kind Regards



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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War is peace
Good is bad
Bad is good
Up is down
Down is up

Welcome to bizarro world



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
So...fascism is liberal...got it.

So, are all you guys advocating the opposite then? Okay, cool -- I'll start reading up on Communism then.

Basically, this thread is telling me that every single despotic fascist regime is left wing and liberal, and that the right is ... well .. "right" and has nothing in common or nothing to do with any kind of of tyrannical power structures or oppressive, militaristic, and nationalistic ideologies


...No... What this thread is trying to point out is the fact that Nazi Germany, and Italy's fascism were left wing, and not right wing.

Yes, there have been true right wing dictatorships in the past such as Francisco Franco which was a response to the "Red Terror in Spain" in 1936.

I have pointed this out many times in other threads.

To this day in the Madrid Barajas airport there is a white cross that points one of the spots where several thousands of victims were executed by left wing radicals in 1936.


The Cross That Might As Well Be a Question Mark
Posted on October 29, 2008 | Leave a comment
Paracuellos' white cross

Paracuellos

The big white cross in the hills you see when you are staring out of your plane- or any other window of Barajas airport- is not the work of a religious fanatic with too much time on his hands or a cheap attempt to imitate Rio de Janeiro’s Christ-the-Redeemer: you are actually staring directly at the Franco-era.

The cross is located just outside the graveyard of Paracuellos de Jarama, a small village so plain and dull you would be forgiven for never having heard of it, if it weren’t for the fact that perhaps the biggest bloodbath in the civil war took place there.

During the war (1936-1939), it was not uncommon for both the nationalists and the republicans to move their prisoners. Changing battlefronts or simply attempts to exhaust captives saw inmates being forced to move to their new prisons- known as ‘sacas’ in Spanish. This also happened in November 1936, when heavy fighting took place to gain control of Madrid. Prisoners kept by the republicans were forced out of their old cells and were put in buses and trucks. For reasons still unknown many groups of prisoners, including soldiers, priests, or simply nationalist supporters were not sent to Valencia, where the republicans were still in charge and where the surviving prisoners went to, but were instead driven to the banks of the rivers Jarama and Henares and killed. The cross marks the place where the dead were eventually buried.
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mydrid.com...

That was one of the many spots where such massacres occurred by the hands of left wing extremists. The response by Franco was also extremist, and we know he also executed many leftists and sympathizers in retaliation for what the left wing groups in Spain had done to tens of thousands of victims.

Any form of extremism is bad. But this constant claim that fascists like Hitler and Mussolini were right wing is simply false. The response from Francisco Franco to the murders committed by the left was named "the White Terror" .

As of note the leftists in Spain were known as "republicans". But their ideology was left wing. They were socialists, marxists, anarchists, etc.

This all occurred during the Civil War in Spain when left wing groups, except the Basque, took control by force and murdered as many as around 50,000 people or more, no one knows exactly, comprising clergy, capitalists and captured soldiers were executed by the left wing groups through out Spain.

The 'Red Terror': Repression in Republican Madrid during the Spanish Civil War

I am not claiming all leftists are evil, but the truth has to be shown no matter how much it hurts some.

Yes, we also have to be careful because a dictatorship can also form from an extreme right ideology. But neither Nazy Germany, nor Mussolini's Italy were right wing. Those two were left wing dictatorships.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: neo96

What's wrong with identifying as being human, of planet Earth?

I know more flag-waving conservatives than I do liberals. Those conservatives I know are the ones with yellow ribbons and American flags plastered all over their bumper stickers. If anyone is more "nationalistic" it sure seems to be conservatives. I can't tell you how many conservative pundits I've watched and listened to slam Democrats and liberals for being unpatriotic and not loving America...

This whole climate thing is like two roomates arguing over keeping the apartment clean. Even if the apartment doesn't NEED to be clean, there are inherent benefits to it being so.

The one roommate doesn't want to be hassled with the burden of picking up after themselves and maintaining a nice place to live, while the other wants things orderly and clean. Around and around in circles they argue about the merits of having a clean living space...



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Bravo!
Bravo!

Expect a lot of ignorant flak though, from the left.

Particularly when you present FACTS that go against their "narrative"



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
War is peace
Good is bad
Bad is good
Up is down
Down is up

Welcome to bizarro world


Nope.

It's easily explained like How some countries people drive on the LEFT side of the road. Some drive on the RIGHT side of the road.

Same thing applies to political systems world wide.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: GamleGamle
a reply to: DBCowboy

Fundamentally we all want what you are prescribing to..... the issue is humans being humans.

Its like a plane or a car, sometimes its due to the system, most of the time its due to human error when something goes wrong.

Kind Regards


Humans do have a funny way of trying to better their lives. By making them worse is an odd direction to take.

Fascism, be it left wing or right, is still wrong. imho, the same could be said for any -ism.

Because it is all just a justification for different types of government control.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The definition of fascism will not change, you can post whatever article to try to prove your point, go read about europeen governments since the early 20 century.

Spain is a great example of fascism and socialism at war, they both did bad things, still doesn't change what fascism means.
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posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom




What's wrong with identifying as being human, of planet Earth?


When the individual loses their identity to the collective.

Say hello to fascism.

Say hello to communism.

Say hello to socialism.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Does that mean that i am a fascist socialist communist, or maybe you can tell me ?



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: muse7
War is peace
Good is bad
Bad is good
Up is down
Down is up

Welcome to bizarro world


Nope.

It's easily explained like How some countries people drive on the LEFT side of the road. Some drive on the RIGHT side of the road.

Same thing applies to political systems world wide.


Interesting analogy.

So we could say that some countries have a government driven on the "Left" side of the political spectrum and others with governments driven on the "Right" side of that spectrum, but despite some accidents from time to time, neither "Left" or "Right" is better than the other?



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:13 PM
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So..... are you actually against socialism as a political economic theory or are you just against people saying that theoretically Nazi Germany was not?

PS. Paxtons description is exquisite.

One of the great things of modern times I feel is Progressive Income Tax. Its seen as socialist by most, but is part of most countries tax laws now and seen by many as beneficial. How do you feel about that?

Kind Regards


reply to: neo96



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MystikMushroom




What's wrong with identifying as being human, of planet Earth?


When the individual loses their identity to the collective.

Say hello to fascism.

Say hello to communism.

Say hello to socialism.


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