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Fascism is Not Right Wing, it is socialist.

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posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 06:03 AM
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Fascism

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

The above is the definition of Fascism. Looks like there are people here who want to change the definitions.




posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Could you stop making up claims, and present proof against the argument?

How is COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD Right wing?...

How is nationalizing all trusts right wing?...

How the hell is the following right wing?... That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

How is We demand profit-sharing in large industries. right wing?...

How is agrarian reform, with the state appropriating land and businesses without compensation to the owner and for THE COMMON PURPOSE right wing?...

We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

In whose mind are all those policies that Hitler implemented right wing?... And don't forget the Union that Hitler created the Labour Front... Didn't you know that in socialist/communist dictatorship something similar happens? the state takes control of a main union "for the workers" and no one else can create a union. You work for the state and no one else... That is not right wing... that is a socialist dictatorship...

Answer that and stop making up rhetorical claims which aren't true...


edit on 20-12-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 07:59 AM
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posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Because there are two antiquated charts. They have been superseded by a compass. There was a social chart and a political chart. Authoritarian governments are considered far right or far north on a line/compass respectively. Anytime someone refers to far-right they are most likely referring to authoritarianism. Nobody here seems to have even had entry level politics.

Governments who are far-right have also typically been left of center.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
How is COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD Right wing?...

I'm not sure how you can possibly believe that Nazis worked for the common good.

Aryan good, maybe... but they sure killed a whole lot of their countrymen and women.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Hence the nationalist in their name. The common good of the German people.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
Hence the nationalist in their name. The common good of the German people.

That wasn't even true, though... they murdered hundreds of thousands of Germans, too.

The Nazi regime worked for the individual good of Hitler's closest allies, at the expense of everyone else. There was constant rationing by the government.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


How is COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD Right wing?...


You continue to believe the Nazis were honest. That speaks volume. What they practiced was "My wants before your needs." They literally pulled gold teeth out of people's mouths. Now... what political movement in America puts the individual's personal desires above all else?



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Hitler's entire ruling style had a few constants in it. One was anti-Semitism, on a scale that no-one had ever seen before. The second was a driving need to make sure that the events of 1918 (the myth of the stab in the back) never happened again. The need to make sure that the population didn't get restive was why a) the Nazis looted Europe and b) why the Germans went to a total war economy years after the British. Hitler wanted to control the population so that there could never be a communist rebellion. He therefore created internal programs designed to keep people quiet. It was a shell game, covered with propaganda. The Soviets had the Five Year Plan. The Nazis scorned the Communists so they came up with the Four Year plan, as they could do better much faster (this was yet another lie).
You need better cites, you need a better understanding of the nature of Nazism and you need to understand the context of the times.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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The fascism of Hitler was Extreme Right Wing.
Stalin's Iron Curtain, Extreme Left Wing.
Both were unbelievably good at mass murder.
What they had in common was the "Extreme" title.

If it makes people feel better, feel free to flip those
examples:
Hitler was Left & Stalin was Right ?
We know that's not correct and we
can't have it both ways, but if it helps people sleep at night...



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: Greven

For what though? Don't lie to yourself. It was for what the government viewed as the common good of the people. Stalin killed far more of his own people under the same guise.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
It was for what the government viewed as the common good of the people. Stalin killed far more of his own people under the same guise.

How can it be for the common good of the people when they are being killed?



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:58 AM
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posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 11:03 AM
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posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: introvert

I am very aware that Einstein was communist.

However, if he had known the full extent of the horrors of that ideology, and seen the fall of the Berlin wall and the millions freed from that open air prison, I doubt he would have remained communist.

It's one think to imagine a utopia.

In real life, it has NEVER worked.

...but it will be different next time...sure...



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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great sources with many "easy to follow" references in at least 2 wiki stories...

some even for sale

most highlight zero evidence

just plain old propaganda denazification


I know everybody automatically accepts the Left Wing writings as absolute truth even when nobody even posts any real evidence.


one credible reference even cites a litany of how fascism is used as a noun or adjective

fantastic

somebody can actually post the real references right?

the "no proof required" evidence....


Turner, Henry Ashby, Reappraisals of Fascism. New Viewpoints, 1975. p. 162. States fascism's "goals of radical and authoritarian nationalism".

Larsen, Stein Ugelvik, Bernt Hagtvet and Jan Petter Myklebust, Who were the Fascists: Social Roots of European Fascism, p. 424, "organized form of integrative radical nationalist authoritarianism"

Roger Griffin. Fascism. Oxford, England, UK: Oxford University Press, 1995. pp. 8, 307.

Aristotle A. Kallis. The fascism reader. New York, New York, USA: Routledge, 2003. p. 71

Fascism



and another easy to find and verify example of their "evidence" ...


Jones, Daniel (2003) [1917], Peter Roach, James Hartmann and Jane Setter, eds., English Pronouncing Dictionary, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 3-12-539683-2

Lepage, Jean-Denis (2009), Hitler Youth, 1922-1945: An Illustrated History, McFarland, p. 9

Gottlieb, Henrik; Morgensen, Jens Erik, eds. (2007). Dictionary Visions, Research and Practice: Selected Papers from the 12th International Symposium on Lexicography, Copenhagen, 2004 (illustrated ed.). Amsterdam: J. Benjamins Pub. Co. p. 247. ISBN 9789027223340. Retrieved 22 October 2014.

Harper, Douglas. "Nazi". etymonline.com. Online Etymology Dictionary. Retrieved 22 October 2014.

Rabinbach, Anson; Gilman, Sander, eds. (2013). The Third Reich Sourcebook. Berkeley, Calif.: California University Press. p. 4. ISBN 9780520955141.

Nazism





posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
For what though? Don't lie to yourself. It was for what the government viewed as the common good of the people. Stalin killed far more of his own people under the same guise.

It really wasn't. Hitler grew up poor, but maintained a lavish lifestyle from very early on - one he hid from the public at large.

While imprisoned, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, where he announced his hatred for Jews and Communists. He later distanced himself from his own book - after he attained power in a parliamentary system he had wanted to destroy.

He executed members of his own party in the Night of the Long Knives, either because he thought they were a threat or because they didn't obey orders. His party became beholden to him; his desires were Nazi's desires, and his will was what drove the machinations of the Nazis.

There was no common good but his.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen




goals of radical and authoritarian nationalism"


Would that be anything like 'We must save the planet' Citizen of Earth?

And become all one big happy family, and live under 'supra' authoritarian nationalism.

Preferably the socialist way.



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: Greven

And the man in charge thought he was doing the common good of germany. To deny that means you are lying to yourself. That's the problem with the common good rulership. Who decides what qualifies as the common good?



posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

How many people did Castro kill for the common good of cuba? Just because something wasn't actually for the common good doesn't mean they didn't think it was at the time.



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