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originally posted by: Seede
Christianity was not a religion till after the death of the Christ Jesus so that question cannot be answered. When you ask if the Christian God is the same as the Jewish God then you would have to ask which Jew.
originally posted by: Seede
But after the death of Jesus and His church was established, then the question can be solidified. Why? Because then He sealed His covenant for all people whereas there was no covenant before Him except that of Moses. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were voided by Moses and Moses was voided by the Christ. That is why the crucifixion must be the article of faith to Christianity. Is the God of the present day Jew the same as the Christian God? NO, if a Jew rejects the Son of God Jesus as being the Christ he/she is not of Christ Jesus. John 3:16 --
originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: John333
LOL so why don´t you just answer. I think question was valid to see differences between two religions and maybe finding why they do not blend. Question still remains. Is Jesus divine in islamic view after his resurrection ?
The jew according to the jewish scriptures. The same scriptures that exist today, that existed then, that (the traditional view being) were written by the Prophets. I'm not sure what belief in the afterlife has to do with anything, considering that according to views of Christianity that explain the lack of an afterlife in Jewish scripture, heaven didn't appear to exist for any human until Jesus got their first.
I'm not sure I follow your logic at all. You're applying a difference of laws being followed to the lawgiver being different. According to you, the same God that provided the old covenant provided the new covenant. Simply continuing to follow the old covenant doesn't mean that somehow it is now from a different God.
originally posted by: Seede
It is the same God but not to all people. The same God of Abram is the same God of Moses and is the same God of Jesus' day but that does not mean that the same God is understood as the same God in all three covenants. Jesus had the same God as the entire world but the entire world did not have the same God as Jesus did. The same applies today. The Muslim and Jew have the same Creator but the Creator does not have the same people.
originally posted by: Seede
Regardless, a god or a God requires belief in that god or God. The Muslim belief is the same. If I were not to believe that Muhammad was a prophet signifies that I reject his premise and his god. If Muhammad says that his god told him that Jesus did not die by crucifixion then Muhammad has a different god then does Christianity. It would impossible that the God of Jesus could be the god of Muhammad.
Or to put it another way, (paraphrasing your words and making them much more cumbersome because the Bible doesn't just have 1 author) "if (parts of) the NT say (or imply) that Jesus is God, and that God is truine in nature, (something that the OT strongly and explicitly denies), then the NT (or those writers of those portions of the NT) have a different god than does Judaism. It would be impossible that the God of Abraham could be the God of the NT.
Now of course, you could bring up discussion about how no, those OT passages have been interpreted by traditional judaism in the wrong way, and the correct way always held the implication of Jesus, but in that case you're creating excuses and explanations, so your God of Jesus/God of Muhammad comparison could be just as faulty as well.
Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God?
Larycia Hawkins, a professor at Wheaton College in Illinois, decided to wear a headscarf during the Advent season as a gesture of solidarity with Muslims. In doing so, Hawkins quoted Pope Francis, saying that Christians and Muslims "worship the same God."
But some evangelical Christians disagree — and Wheaton, a Christian school, responded by putting the political science professor on paid administrative leave. The college says it needs time to review whether her statement puts her at odds with the faith perspective required of those who work there.
The case also raises some big questions of theology.
Most mainstream Muslims would generally agree they worship the same God that Christians — or Jews — worship. Zeki Saritoprak, a professor of Islamic studies at John Carroll University in Cleveland, points out that in the Quran there's the Biblical story of Jacob asking his sons whom they'll worship after his death.
"Jacob's sons replied, 'We will worship the God of your fathers' — Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. He is the God," Saritoprak says. "So this God that Jacob worshipped, this God that Abraham, Isaac worshipped, is the same God that Muslims worship today."
Christians, however, believe in a triune God: God the father, God the son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit. And many evangelicals will say that means Muslims and Jews do not worship the same god as Christians.
Source: NPR