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originally posted by: Mastronaut
a reply to: 23432
You are sure that iraqi kurds will play your game and let you slaughter other kurds just to have your "protection"?
I'd bet on kurdistan will to get more land in Syria and Turkey after getting recognition. And once they'll be able to trade with other partners I'd also bet they'd call the US and the UN to revenge.
You talk like you are privy to amazing informations and never source your claims, so I have to take them for what they are: words on the internet, and pretty much a very strange view about the role of your country in this war.
originally posted by: Mastronaut
We have a series of events which are somehow related imho:
- EU seems to encourage Turkey for the admission
The answer to that may be in this short vid ....
- "proto incident" in the sea between a fishing boat and a russian frigate
originally posted by: 23432
But you already think that Turks lost any future battle , don't you ?
According to your world view Turks are of a no factor in the area anyway .
I don't really need to source public knowledge ; those who speak Turkish can verify what I say with ease .
You are underestimating Turks which indicates a strong bias . I am taking into account of history and current events to explain events from a strictly Turkish point of view .
My views about Turks role is not strange , it is just that you don't really understand where Turks are coming from and lack of this knowledge makes your analysis incompelete .
Iraqi Kurds can not sustain an independent Kurdistan without help from Turks and they know it .
Kurds will be warred against Shia of Iran & Iraq & Syria , no matter what .
Turks & Kurds are not the enemies you like to think they are .
In fact pushing them to fight one another can only result in their unification because neither nation is THAT stupid to not know their own respected histories .
originally posted by: Mastronaut
originally posted by: 23432
But you already think that Turks lost any future battle , don't you ?
Can you quote me saying that? And what battle?
According to your world view Turks are of a no factor in the area anyway .
No, it's according to YOUR world turks are some kind of superpower based on ottoman and ancient history. From the same point of view we should expect Italy to rule the mediterrean. Things change.
I don't really need to source public knowledge ; those who speak Turkish can verify what I say with ease .
So it will remain a mistery for everyone but brainwashed turks
You are underestimating Turks which indicates a strong bias . I am taking into account of history and current events to explain events from a strictly Turkish point of view .
You are vastly overestimating your power with a strong imperialist bias.
My views about Turks role is not strange , it is just that you don't really understand where Turks are coming from and lack of this knowledge makes your analysis incompelete .
You might have missed a hundred years of history or so, you may want to update your books.
Iraqi Kurds can not sustain an independent Kurdistan without help from Turks and they know it .
Kurds will be warred against Shia of Iran & Iraq & Syria , no matter what .
Or they most likely will struck a deal like Israel and find a bogieman in Iran or maybe Turkey.
Turks & Kurds are not the enemies you like to think they are .
In fact pushing them to fight one another can only result in their unification because neither nation is THAT stupid to not know their own respected histories .
But that's not how it works. Turks are slaying kurds in Turkey and Syria and weren't exactly friendly until the oil deal of october.
Making up recent history based on nothing isn't going to help you.
originally posted by: 23432
You did say that in your opinion the Turks are loser because of their backing if Nato , didn't you ?
I never claimed that the Turks are a superpower , however I do claim that they are a regional power which you seem to deny consistently .
Also Turks have no emperial ambition at all ; on the contrary , Turks are helping several nations to get rid of emperialists who are sucking the oil/blood out of number of countries in Arabia & Africa .
Anyone who has objective eyes can see that the Turks are one of the most important players in ME and any future plans for the area ought to involve Turks too .
Ignore the Turks in the ME at your peril .
According to you the Turks are " brainwashed " and " missing hundreds of years of history " or something like that .
See , your narrative is far too unrealistic to be taken seriously ; "Turks who number 200+ million all over the world including Anatolia , Mesopotamia , Caucasia , China , Central Asia and Europe are just " Brainwashed & Too stupid "to realize the meaning of events surrounding them ."
Turks don't " Slay " Kurds ,period . Most of those slayed are pseudo Kurds who are actually " Alleged Armenian Genocide " descendants who hid themselves under the cloak of Turk or A Kurd .
Everyone knows that the PKK fighters who gets killed in a fight with Turks will have their genitalia shot at by their own comrades .
This is done to hide the true identity of the " so called Kurd " who is now dead . We also listen to PKK terorrists radio chatter where often we hear Greek , Armenian and Hebrew spoken between the so called Kurdish terrorists .
If I understood correctly , you are hoping for an outcome where Barzani [A Hebrew Kurd who is also a Sunni ] will team with Israel and attack Turks or Iranians .
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I could put up youtube video of Kurds protesting against PKK and demonstrating solidarity with Turks but I suspect you are not ready to deny ignorance in these delicate matters.
I talk to Kurds everday , I have Kurdish relatives too ; your expectations exceeds their wildest dreams .
If Israel pushes this scenarion then Turks would push Palestinian issue even more then they already do .
Turks are the only nation to have received an Apology from Israel ; if Turks were weak and didn't really mattered all that much then Israel would have strong armed Turks and got rid of Erdogan long ago .
Sane Hebrews know the deal about co-existing with Turks and they also believe that current insane israeli policy is going to bring disaster on everyone .
Now before you start shooting me of being an anti-semite ; I should point out that if I wanted to , I can simply migrate to Israel and can get a citizenship .
When Iraq & Syria breaks up there will be somewhere between 3 to 5 new countries in Mesopotamia .
Some new countries will be aligned with Turks and there is nothing surprising about that at all ; simply put it's nature taking it's course .
You being not aware of terrorists genitalia is not my fault really ; we are talking about the issue , every party have responsibility to learn as much as they can.
You are just busy accusing me of making things up so to speak . Why would I make things up ? I am not a child but a grown man .
Libya , Syria & Yemen are all ex-Ottoman provinces . We are talking about sunni unification of the ummah here not independent Turks ; on the contrary interdependency amongst the muslims is the name of the game for Turks .