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originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Boadicea
Is the water tainted? I must have read it wrong...
I wonder if the cost of the water was taken into consideration?
You can't win with the public. High water costs, they complain. Different water source with some growing pains, they complain.
I wonder why they decided to switch to a different water source...
Okay. I must say I'm a little confused... how could you read the articles any other way?
Apparently, cost was the one and only consideration. The state-appointed Emergency Manager for the city decided their original source of water (the Detroit municipal water system) was too expensive, and switched to the river as their water source, which is when the problems began.
Yeah, imagine that... people complaining that they're being poisoned... go figure! Most people would gladly be poisoned -- um, excuse me, let me rephrase that: Most people would gladly suffer a few "growing pains" if it saved them a few bucks, right?
Um, because the state-appointed Emergency Manager thought it would save a few bucks... But you knew that already, right? Just can't win when the public complains about a "few growing pains" and don't appreciate how much more important it is to save money than to save their health. Damn whiners the whole lot of them!
Because it wasn't tainted. It, being different source water, was stripping the pipes of the lead that is already there....
How did you read it?
Granted, they should have taken into account their aging distribution system, but hindsight is always 20/20. Where was the uproar when this was proposed?
But many residents, including Arthur Woodson, a former nuclear, biological and chemical specialist for the U.S. Army, are uneasy about waiting that long. On the day of the City Council vote to move away from using Flint River water, Woodson spent the entire afternoon calling various government agencies, trying to get answers on everything from whether there has been an increase in miscarriages in the area to how long before the federal government could go in and take control of the situation.
As he was working on the case, he heard from a water treatment plant worker that the city was looking to switch to drawing from the Flint River. “I went down to the City Council and said that it’s hard to treat river water and that there could be a [THM] issue, but no one listened,” Woodson recounted as he hunched over his telephone, on hold with the EPA.
During a contentious public meeting at a city library in late March...
On March 23, after months of protests, the City Council voted 7-1 on a resolution to do "all things necessary” to stop sourcing from the Flint River.
Again, hindsight is 20/20 and to pretend that a person is so high and mighty and all knowing by looking BACK at a problem is very pretentious.
originally posted by: Xarian6
Why defend this?
It is, and im being rather nice here.. totally & utterly unacceptable.
Starting to think it's not just Flint/Mich .. and not just the water. You've all been pacified.
Carry on, just a dumb low socio economic hovel... they wouldn't dare do this to YOU.
or should i say.. dare to tell you what's already been done over time with all the spills and accidents and other lovely stuff the water table has been corrupted with for profit.
"just a few IQ points" ... geeesh... the apathy.. it burns.
You're really serious aren't you? Wow. I read it as various substances have tainted the city's water supply resulting in unclean water from the tap. Regardless of what substances and where these substances originated, the water coming from the tap is tainted. Period.
Apparently just one person -- an Emergency Manager appointed by the state -- has/had all the power and is responsible for the decision to continue using the tainted water --
But seriously, you're going to blame the victims? The ones who had absolutely no choice in the decision to change water sources and who are now suffering because of one appointed bureaucrat's arbitrary decision? (And the residents didn't even get to save a few bucks for the privilege.... nope, their bills went up!)
Do you make excuses for axe murderers too? To blame the victims for the arbitrary decision of one high and mighty and all knowing bureaucrat who failed to heed warnings is very pretentious.
originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Boadicea
...I assumed you were talking about the actual supply. Not the "finished product". Sorry, I assumed you knew the difference.
So there was an uproar. After it was done. I meant before. Not after.
Was I blaming them?
People always wait until after there is a problem to complain. Why not get involved in the decision making process?
Not saying that the dictator that decided to keep on going after a problem was realized is right. Don't confuse one for the other.
lol thanks for the laugh.
Am I blaming the victims? No, I was making fun of internet warriors such as yourself that pretend to know all the answers by looking BACK at a problem. Very pretentious.
Since I was speaking to culpability for the unhealthy water being supplied and harming folks as the "finished product," I have no idea why you assumed otherwise. I did not address the source of the contamination, I only addressed the one and only person responsible.
There should have been no need for any uproar -- not before, not during, and not after. Do you know for a fact that there was no objection before the decision? Do you know for a fact that the citizens were even aware of the plan before the decision? Or are you assuming again? One person is responsible for this mess, and it's not the victims who had no choice in the matter -- not before, not during, and not after.
You must be assuming again. What exactly should anyone be complaining about before there's a problem? One cannot complain about a problem they do not know of... one cannot get involved in the decision making process of an arbitrary dictator. Do you know how much time and/or opportunity the citizens had to even be aware of the plan? Do you know how much time and/or opportunity the citizens had to understand the dangers it would involve? Do you really believe the people knew their water would be poisoned, make them sick, and they just did and said nothing until after it was a done deed? Of course not.
So funny... why am I not surprised?
There you go again... assuming and all that... or just making stuff up out of thin air. I'm pretending to know all the answers? Hahaha! I never claimed to know all the whys and wherefores of how their water was tainted. I simply pointed out the one and only person responsible for the problem -- and I wasn't even addressing you. You chose to address me and turned it all around on the victims. However, you are correct to the extent that in so doing I did address the real root of the problem, the state-appointed Emergency Manager, Jerry Ambrose.... oh wait! Hmmm.... is that you, Jerry Junior??? Are you trying to protect your daddy from the consequences of his dangerous decision? Or am I assuming too much?