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Watching the entire video, though, the guy with the petition kind of rambles on. He talks about changing parts of the constitution often and that it is a living document and that it should be a 'safe place'- God only knows what busy students on the way to class make of that.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra
I also asked for example. See, what one person considers to fit under those umbrellas may differ from what another considers to fit under those umbrellas.
If I am to avoid offending you and you specifically, I have to know what your personal thresholds are.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra
But if my actions end up denying YOUR rights, then it is an infringement, correct?
I could only imagine what a charismatic politician could do.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra
Do I?
People who thought All Lives Matter was a nice thing to say thought so.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra
But if my actions end up denying YOUR rights, then it is an infringement, correct?
We are talking about speech, not actions.
Signing a petition is an action, not speech.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
You have to admit, an adult signing a petition to repeal the first amendment is an absurdity. The fact that it happens at an Ivy league school makes it that much worse.
That is true. It worked for Obama and now it's working for Trump.
Jesus, apparently there are snowflakes everywhere.
I shouldn't say that, though. Now a bunch of people will believe that since there are snowflakes everywhere, global warming must be fake.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra
But if my actions end up denying YOUR rights, then it is an infringement, correct?
We are talking about speech, not actions.
Signing a petition is an action, not speech.
There is a petition clause in the first amendment.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra
If it was bad enough that people had to issue official apologies for saying it, then some people somewhere did.
That's my point though. YOU didn't find it that offensive, but people had to apologize for it.
So what is offensive to one might not be to others. It's a bit tough to say, "Just don't be offensive." There is no way to figure that one out without being able to read another's mind, and this is the problem with PC and how it clashes with freedom of speech. People have decided that they want to take the notion of political correctness so far that they don't EVER want to be made to feel even the tiniest bit uncomfortable, and it's an impossibility.
I might say things that I don't think are offensive or things that are intended to be hurtful at all, but because you decide thay are offensive and hurtful to you ... now I'm in the position of being made into a bully for having said them.
In short, we have stripped out the utterer's intent in favor of the recipient's feelings which puts everyone in an untenable position because no one can know before they speak what feeling they might provoke.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra
That's fine. You are likely to be offended because in order to have a discussion of some of those topics, we're going to have to cover some of that ground.
Understand I have no desire to maliciously offend you, but my beliefs on some of those topics run counter to yours, so you will hear speech that brings out ideas that differ from what you would prefer to hear. I can't help if you find it offensive.
I personally find it equally offensive that you don't see how some of those positions are offensive to me.
originally posted by: ApparentlyStupid
This reminds me of the scariest "it's funny cause it's true" joke I ever heard.
Q: What do you call the student who graduates last in his class at medical school?
A: Doctor
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra
That's fine. You are likely to be offended because in order to have a discussion of some of those topics, we're going to have to cover some of that ground.
Understand I have no desire to maliciously offend you, but my beliefs on some of those topics run counter to yours, so you will hear speech that brings out ideas that differ from what you would prefer to hear. I can't help if you find it offensive.
I personally find it equally offensive that you don't see how some of those positions are offensive to me.
Then we will offend each other. It is legal to do so.
Then we end up in the situation, sometimes, where you will appear to be a bigot and I may appear to be a 'PC Crowd' person. It appears that is the way it is.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra
But if my actions end up denying YOUR rights, then it is an infringement, correct?
We are talking about speech, not actions.
Signing a petition is an action, not speech.
There is a petition clause in the first amendment.
Petition for redress of grievances. So now people are aggrieved that they can speak freely.
Of course, the Founders likely meant petition more in the sense of to address a petition to or to ask for by petition; request formally where a petition is a solemn supplication or request to a superior authority; an entreaty and not a legal document as it has become today.