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posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 01:35 AM
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Just answer the question Disturbed Diliverer because you're now sounding like a REAL COWARD




posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 04:09 AM
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Nobody really answered my question there..

How does one shoot down an aircraft with a GUIDED missile by fluke?

The closest thing I've got to an answer is that it flew the same path every day..which amounts to the serbs practising skeet shooting with SAMs??

Really did they just skeet shoot (dumbfire) it or was it a guided lock??



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 10:29 AM
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Just answer the question Disturbed Diliverer because you're now sounding like a REAL COWARD


You've never address any of my posts in the past.

I did answer your idiotic question. If you don't like the answer, I don't really give a damn.



Nobody really answered my question there..

How does one shoot down an aircraft with a GUIDED missile by fluke?

The closest thing I've got to an answer is that it flew the same path every day..which amounts to the serbs practising skeet shooting with SAMs??

Really did they just skeet shoot (dumbfire) it or was it a guided lock??


You can just fire up at the sky and hope to hit. They hit the F-117 after it dropped its payload, which made it less stealthy for a moment. They could have had it on radar for that moment



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 11:07 AM
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So then it was a guided lock on the F-117 right?...okay then one needs intel on the F-117 flight path and then shooting it down would be easier..

Are you going on record saying that it was shot when the payload doors were open and it was less stealthy by quoting a source or is this your take on the incident..??



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Sorry for being out of touch with this but do we actually know that it was a missile that brought the F-117 down? I was always under the impression that it was AAA fire, which would make the 'fluke' explanation reasonable, however if it was a missile lock it is harder to dismiss in this way.



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
So then it was a guided lock on the F-117 right?...okay then one needs intel on the F-117 flight path and then shooting it down would be easier..

Are you going on record saying that it was shot when the payload doors were open and it was less stealthy by quoting a source or is this your take on the incident..??


Stealth doesnt mean invisible. If you know the possible position of stealth aircraft you can fire the misille without lock on. If the misille goes close the F-117 it can lock on it with it's own misille radar. So IMO the Serbs knew the approximate position of F-117 at the time (due the same flight route, leak from command center etc.) and blindly fired 3-4 misilles. One of them got close enough to establish a lock on and pilot had not enough time for countermeasures.



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 12:27 PM
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Are you going on record saying that it was shot when the payload doors were open and it was less stealthy by quoting a source or is this your take on the incident..??


I'm not sure if it was hit when the door was open. It had dropped its payload, and I have read that the door may not have shut all the way, taking away from its stealth drastically.


So then it was a guided lock on the F-117 right?...okay then one needs intel on the F-117 flight path and then shooting it down would be easier..


I'm not sure this is known.



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 03:07 PM
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Here are some non Serbs sources that reported it also (MAN "BANNED MEMBER YOU BEET ME TO IT") 1. www.aeronautics.ru... 2. www.aeronautics.ru... 3. www.aeronautics.ru...

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posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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You didn't address my post again. What a surprise...



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 08:10 PM
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"I!!" Asked the question FIRST AND YOU didn't respond, NOW I'll aswer my own question even coming down to your level, How many U.S. planes were shot out of the shy in Gulf war 1 (It was 37) but for arguments sake I'll say 11-14(just to make Disturbed Diliverer feel good) NOW 1999 Yugoslavia has better Airdefences than 1991 Iraq, so if Iraq can bring down 11-14 U.S. planes Yugoslavia should/would DEFENATLY be able to at LEAST bring down 50-60 NATO planes in 99 Kosavo bombing, so HOW COME the official firure U.S. said They lost was 3 Planes 1. F-117, 2.An F-16 3. A UAV ?= Answer Because YANKY DOO LITTLE Here is LYING LYING LLLLLYYYYIIIINNNNGGGG Yugo has 1. No reason to lie and 2. Yugo doesn't benifit from LYING, 3. Yugo's figure of 388 NATO Planes, 444 Cruise Missles and 60+ UAV's are acurate to the letter AND YUGO DOESN'T LIE about wars , thats just what YANKS wants people to beleive so just in case NATO/YANKS losses a lot of planes to YUGO people are already "PRE-conditioned" to beleive what ever Yugo says is "Propaganda.

[edit on 15-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]

[edit on 15-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 08:46 PM
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What would america gain from lying? Nothing. What would yugoslavia gain from lying? everything,including the world believing that their defenses are good. If they really did shoot down a B-2,i'll like to see the wreckage....Yankee people stealing the wreakage huh?


[edit on 15/1/05 by W4rl0rD]



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:01 PM
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"I!!" Asked the question FIRST AND YOU didn't respond, NOW I'll aswer my own question even coming down to your level, How many U.S. planes were shot out of the shy in Gulf war 1 (It was 37) but for arguments sake I'll say 11-14(just to make Disturbed Diliverer feel good) NOW 1999 Yugoslavia has better Airdefences than 1991 Iraq, so if Iraq can bring down 11-14 U.S. planes Yugoslavia should/would DEFENATLY be able to at LEAST bring down 50-60 NATO planes in 99 Kosavo bombing, so HOW COME the official firure U.S. said They lost was 3 Planes 1. F-117, 2.An F-16 3. A UAV ?= Answer Because YANKY DOO LITTLE Here is LYING LYING LLLLLYYYYIIIINNNNGGGG Yugo has 1. No reason to lie and 2. Yugo doesn't benifit from LYING, 3. Yugo's figure of 388 NATO Planes, 444 Cruise Missles and 60+ UAV's are acurate to the letter AND YUGO DOESN'T LIE about wars , thats just what YANKS wants people to beleive so just in case NATO/YANKS losses a lot of planes to YUGO people are already "PRE-conditioned" to beleive what ever Yugo says is "Propaganda.


I did answer your question completely, but whatever...

Yugoslavia didn't have better air defenses than Iraq. It was the other way around.

globalsecurity.org...
globalsecurity.org...

Now, your whole logic is screwed up. In your figures of losses, you throw in UAV losses, and normal planes. Yet when you talk about the official figures given by NATO, you only talk about manned planes.

A bigger problem is that your own sources give various numbers.

www.aeronautics.ru...

Those aren't anywhere near what you suggest.

Why is that you call numbers 10 times what you call a reasonable assessment to be definite?

And, what exactly makes Yugoslavia more credible then NATO? I guess because they're closer to Russia. Now, tell me, has Russia never lied to its people, either? Russian hasn't been lying about WW2 for decades? Documents revealed since the end of the Cold War showed a long history of Russia lying.

You're just dying to except any number that makes NATO look bad, and you have no real proof. 3 B-2's couldn't be hidden from the public. You don't see to get many politicians would love nothing more then to see the program cancelled. Much of the Western media hates military programs like the B-2. The huge cost of these planes would be impossible to hide from the public. You're talking about 6 billion dollars.



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:08 PM
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Thats almost the entire defense budget for a whole year. If it sucked so much then why are they still keeping it in service instead of scrapping the composites for the F-22s?



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:12 PM
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And, what exactly makes Yugoslavia more credible then NATO? I guess because they're closer to Russia. Now, tell me, has Russia never lied to its people, either? Russian hasn't been lying about WW2 for decades? Documents revealed since the end of the Cold War showed a long history of Russia lying.


Would you kindly elaborate which part of Russian history you deem as lying ? Russia as a whole does not lie.



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:18 PM
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Would you kindly elaborate which part of Russian history you deem as lying ? Russia as a whole does not lie.


The communists lied about virtually anything since the day they came into power, and till the day they left.

I already mentioned WW2. Casualty figures were revised. Civillian casualties were far higher. Many claims were confirmed, such as the mass rape carried about by Russian soldiers in Germany.



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:22 PM
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Well the Russian rape of German was a form of revenge carried out by the Russian soliders, which were mainly of somewhat jewish decent, these occurances were never ' denied ' by the Soviet Union, Stalin himself made a speech condemning the rape of the German women. As for these so-called ' Massive population losses, may I ask what do you base this figure at before I continue ?



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:34 PM
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EVERYBODY EVERYBODY DIDN'T I TELL YOU WHEN YANKS HAVE BEEN DISPROVEN; TO COVER UP THE EVEDENCE THEY "ALWAYS" COME UP WITH "FANTASTIC" STORIES(read excuses) HAVEN'T I BEEN TELLING YOU THIS!! NOW!; WOW; YOU HEARD IT Straight from THE YANKS OWN MOUTH, NOW WE ARE TOLD TO BELEIVE IRAQ HAD BETTER AIR DEFENSES THAN YUGOSLAVIA, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If thats what Global Security says then rest assure Global Security is doing nothing but helping U.S. Gov cover up thier lies/or U.S. just tells that LIE "IRAQ has beter A.Defences than Yuogoslavia" and ALL Global Security=G.S. is doing is spitting out the same rehtoric U.S. is telling it, but thats it there IS NO other explaination but that? I said when it comes to war Rus and Yugo don't lie, that;s what I "SiberianTiger said" you forgot/ or diliberatly didn't to put up the real site MAN www.aeronautics.ru...-2A

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posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:38 PM
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Dude stop yelling. also note these cahrecters , . ? ; : its called puctuation use it. And lets all take a chill pill here on this thread mmm'kay?

Thanks



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:46 PM
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Siberian you are not answering my question...We are yet to see footage of the B-2 wreackage.....What do you think this is some kind of alien spaceship?



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 09:49 PM
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The Russian soldiers raped Russian women, too. What was that really for?

The Russian government never admitted they did anything wrong in WW2. You can read a full acount of their deeds here:

www.policyreview.org...

How about Stalin demonizing Trotsky when he came to power? No lies there, right?

It's harder to find something the communists didn't lie about then something they told the truth about.



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