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It is not the radical jihadists I fear. It is the Radical Right.

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posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes.
And Democrats will do the same in reverse and get all emotional. At least conservatives dont cry, lol.

Both of ya'll need to be consistent. Paint all groups with a wide brush or neither.
Neither is the only smart choice.




posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: MayanBoricua
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes.
And Democrats will do the same in reverse and get all emotional. At least conservatives dont cry, lol.


I HIGHLY disagree with that. I see conservatives crying about political correctness every day on this website.


Both of ya'll need to be consistent. Paint all groups with a wide brush or neither.
Neither is the only smart choice.



I try to be consistent actually. One of my core principals in life is to apply all logical reasoning consistently to all events. So if someone argues that not all Muslims are extremists then it should also hold logically consistent that not all gun owners are mass murderers. Doing this has widened my worldview and caused me to sympathize with many groups that have been marginalized over the years because people rationalize reasons for why a logical argument they apply to themselves doesn't apply to these other people. Because of this, many call me liberal now. I have and always will just call myself a realist.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: ElectricFeel
When I visited Auschwitz a few years ago, our tour guide pointed to an open area and said, 'One of the rules of the camp was that any prisoner who escaped would have his family members brought here and executed, as a warning to the rest of the prisoners. That (pointing) was where they would carry out those executions.'

Yesterday, Trump and co., with the utmost callousness imaginable, defended the notion that terrorists' families should be 'dealt with' as a deterrent to terrorism.

I wonder, Mr. Trump, whether you would extend the same 'privilege' to mass-shooters, the vast majority of whom are white, Christian, males. The number of people who die from gun violence in this country is exponentially more (hundreds of thousands over the last decade) than the 45 or so who have died as a result of 'jihadist radicals' in the same amount of time. So, clearly, the far bigger threat facing America comes from other segments of society.

Would you also suggest as a deterrent that their wives and children 'be dealt with'? Or is it the case that you feel skin colors and religions redefine the norms of justice?

It is truly terrifying to see mainstream leaders and presidential candidates talk so brazenly, to the cheers and clapping of mobs who would willingly and enthusiastically support Nazi tactics because they have been brainwashed and terrorized by a modern breed of fascist demagogues.

It is not the radical jihadists I fear. It is the Radical Right.

The sad reality is that the current climate of Islamophobia is not even meant to directly target Muslims! In other words, it's not emanating from a religious hatred, much less an existential threat (less people die from 'radical jihadist attacks' in America than people who are killed by accidents with their furniture).

The fact of the matter is that this climate is being intentionally stoked for political gains. Certain members of the Republican party need to promote a false narrative: that the Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, is soft on the threat of 'radical Islam' in N. America. Therefore, they greatly exaggerate this threat, smear the Democrats for not doing enough, and then claim that *they* will be the knight in shining armor who shall save the damsel of liberty from the clutches of those evil Mozlem barbarians.

The American Muslim community, are merely a sacrificial pawn in a far more sinister game of political chess.
Unfortunately, because they have been chosen as the sacrificial pawn, many millions of Americans genuinely believe that rhetoric, and the hate crimes will indeed spiral until this election season is over.

This also explains Trump's antics perfectly: he needs to demonize the Muslim community, and then proclaim that *he* shall save America from this non-existent threat.

Truth shall always prevail over falsehood in the end. I just hope and pray that no lives are lost at the hands of the Far Right as the level of hate and paranoia continues to rise to ever-alarming levels.
Did he get into detail about how the families would be 'dealt with'? Or are you just filling that part in with your wild imagination?

"Dealing with" the terrorists families could also mean screening them for extremeism.


His wording was "take them out" referring to the families of terrorists and he repeated it vehemently explaining that terrorists care about their families "lives". No confusion that he was discussing targeting and killing family members of terrorists. I quoted him both in text and audio a page or two back in this thread.

So...no...he was not talking about screening them for extremism.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: ElectricFeel
When I visited Auschwitz a few years ago, our tour guide pointed to an open area and said, 'One of the rules of the camp was that any prisoner who escaped would have his family members brought here and executed, as a warning to the rest of the prisoners. That (pointing) was where they would carry out those executions.'

Yesterday, Trump and co., with the utmost callousness imaginable, defended the notion that terrorists' families should be 'dealt with' as a deterrent to terrorism.

I wonder, Mr. Trump, whether you would extend the same 'privilege' to mass-shooters, the vast majority of whom are white, Christian, males. The number of people who die from gun violence in this country is exponentially more (hundreds of thousands over the last decade) than the 45 or so who have died as a result of 'jihadist radicals' in the same amount of time. So, clearly, the far bigger threat facing America comes from other segments of society.

Would you also suggest as a deterrent that their wives and children 'be dealt with'? Or is it the case that you feel skin colors and religions redefine the norms of justice?

It is truly terrifying to see mainstream leaders and presidential candidates talk so brazenly, to the cheers and clapping of mobs who would willingly and enthusiastically support Nazi tactics because they have been brainwashed and terrorized by a modern breed of fascist demagogues.

It is not the radical jihadists I fear. It is the Radical Right.

The sad reality is that the current climate of Islamophobia is not even meant to directly target Muslims! In other words, it's not emanating from a religious hatred, much less an existential threat (less people die from 'radical jihadist attacks' in America than people who are killed by accidents with their furniture).

The fact of the matter is that this climate is being intentionally stoked for political gains. Certain members of the Republican party need to promote a false narrative: that the Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, is soft on the threat of 'radical Islam' in N. America. Therefore, they greatly exaggerate this threat, smear the Democrats for not doing enough, and then claim that *they* will be the knight in shining armor who shall save the damsel of liberty from the clutches of those evil Mozlem barbarians.

The American Muslim community, are merely a sacrificial pawn in a far more sinister game of political chess.
Unfortunately, because they have been chosen as the sacrificial pawn, many millions of Americans genuinely believe that rhetoric, and the hate crimes will indeed spiral until this election season is over.

This also explains Trump's antics perfectly: he needs to demonize the Muslim community, and then proclaim that *he* shall save America from this non-existent threat.

Truth shall always prevail over falsehood in the end. I just hope and pray that no lives are lost at the hands of the Far Right as the level of hate and paranoia continues to rise to ever-alarming levels.
Did he get into detail about how the families would be 'dealt with'? Or are you just filling that part in with your wild imagination?

"Dealing with" the terrorists families could also mean screening them for extremeism.


His wording was "take them out" referring to the families of terrorists and he repeated it vehemently explaining that terrorists care about their families "lives". No confusion that he was discussing targeting and killing family members of terrorists. I quoted him both in text and audio a page or two back in this thread.

So...no...he was not talking about screening them for extremism.


If you listened to his full discussion about it, he said that when wives and other family members know what their husbands are up to, they are culpable. If you know your husband or wife is plotting and planning a terrorist attack that will kill dozens, hundreds, thousands, of innocents, you ARE just as culpable.....aiding and abetting....



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

It makes sense with your clarification.
He still makes it sound like Crystalnacht though
He oughta explain himself clearly,
because he sounds as radical as isis when he addresses the Muslim Question.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: ElectricFeel
When I visited Auschwitz a few years ago, our tour guide pointed to an open area and said, 'One of the rules of the camp was that any prisoner who escaped would have his family members brought here and executed, as a warning to the rest of the prisoners. That (pointing) was where they would carry out those executions.'

Yesterday, Trump and co., with the utmost callousness imaginable, defended the notion that terrorists' families should be 'dealt with' as a deterrent to terrorism.

I wonder, Mr. Trump, whether you would extend the same 'privilege' to mass-shooters, the vast majority of whom are white, Christian, males. The number of people who die from gun violence in this country is exponentially more (hundreds of thousands over the last decade) than the 45 or so who have died as a result of 'jihadist radicals' in the same amount of time. So, clearly, the far bigger threat facing America comes from other segments of society.

Would you also suggest as a deterrent that their wives and children 'be dealt with'? Or is it the case that you feel skin colors and religions redefine the norms of justice?

It is truly terrifying to see mainstream leaders and presidential candidates talk so brazenly, to the cheers and clapping of mobs who would willingly and enthusiastically support Nazi tactics because they have been brainwashed and terrorized by a modern breed of fascist demagogues.

It is not the radical jihadists I fear. It is the Radical Right.

The sad reality is that the current climate of Islamophobia is not even meant to directly target Muslims! In other words, it's not emanating from a religious hatred, much less an existential threat (less people die from 'radical jihadist attacks' in America than people who are killed by accidents with their furniture).

The fact of the matter is that this climate is being intentionally stoked for political gains. Certain members of the Republican party need to promote a false narrative: that the Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, is soft on the threat of 'radical Islam' in N. America. Therefore, they greatly exaggerate this threat, smear the Democrats for not doing enough, and then claim that *they* will be the knight in shining armor who shall save the damsel of liberty from the clutches of those evil Mozlem barbarians.

The American Muslim community, are merely a sacrificial pawn in a far more sinister game of political chess.
Unfortunately, because they have been chosen as the sacrificial pawn, many millions of Americans genuinely believe that rhetoric, and the hate crimes will indeed spiral until this election season is over.

This also explains Trump's antics perfectly: he needs to demonize the Muslim community, and then proclaim that *he* shall save America from this non-existent threat.

Truth shall always prevail over falsehood in the end. I just hope and pray that no lives are lost at the hands of the Far Right as the level of hate and paranoia continues to rise to ever-alarming levels.
Did he get into detail about how the families would be 'dealt with'? Or are you just filling that part in with your wild imagination?

"Dealing with" the terrorists families could also mean screening them for extremeism.


His wording was "take them out" referring to the families of terrorists and he repeated it vehemently explaining that terrorists care about their families "lives". No confusion that he was discussing targeting and killing family members of terrorists. I quoted him both in text and audio a page or two back in this thread.

So...no...he was not talking about screening them for extremism.


If you listened to his full discussion about it, he said that when wives and other family members know what their husbands are up to, they are culpable. If you know your husband or wife is plotting and planning a terrorist attack that will kill dozens, hundreds, thousands, of innocents, you ARE just as culpable.....aiding and abetting....


That doesn't help me any..."They know!" "Kill them too!"...Whilst discussing women and children. His ideologically retarded bloodlust is something I'd expect from ISIS. To be fair, I think he is just (successfully) pandering to people...and the number of people that defend and cheer the strategy makes me even more uncomfortable with the Radical Right Wing in USA.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: ElectricFeel

I hear you but it's a kickback to fear. The reality is that radical Islamic extremism will dominate the world the same way the Nazi's (at one time an extreme but small, weird and widely rejected group) will overtake everywhere till one day people say "oh, what happened, how did it get to this?"

It will get to it because we did nothing. The biggest threat is that which you do not believe is a threat. That can be Isil or government. In this regard you don't believe ISIL is dangerous to you.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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Trump's lead in the polls...partially signifies a rising tide of fascism, here in the United States.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

www.washingtontimes.com...

Well, when you have a Muslim killing Muslims I guess it is all ok if you are in the right party and do not have silly hair...

or killing American Citizens...even if by mistake...

www.politifact.com...

or killing the child of a terrorist? Like 16 year old Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

Put that in your liberal pipe and smoke it.

AGAIN, Trump is not proposing anything new but damn you guys sure want to blame someone other than the ones you feel a re correct to be in power....



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: Erno86

There will never be a dictator here...and right wing facism is not the same as right wing conservative...
Look up Mussolini..



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

What are you trying to prove to me? That some Muslims are bad people? Well bad people exist as a subset of all demographics. I already know all this. Yes, bad Muslims exist. Yes, I can be a target of one. So what? The likelihood of that happening is pretty low so I'm not worried.

I'm not going to let your weak appeal to emotion make me unnecessarily fear Muslims. Sorry, I don't let fear govern my decisions like you apparently do. After all, only a fearful person would justify intolerance towards a whole group of people based on the anecdotes of the few.
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posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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The only thing I fear are people who suffer from fundamental attribution disorder.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Can you clarify what you are trying to say? I get that you are looking to land some point...but I can't discern what it is.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Erno86

There will never be a dictator here...and right wing facism is not the same as right wing conservative...
Look up Mussolini..


He was discussing the rise of facism...Not dictators? I don't think it requires an overthrow of government before acknowledging the same.

BTW the most common definition of Facism: extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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I try to be consistent actually. O


100% of American politics IS the pot calling the kettle.

And that is FACT that can be taken to any fiat currency bank.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 03:13 PM
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Really guys...this is what happens when uneducated people think 2+3=7

This is a BASIC definition of Fascism -


a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government


I stated Mussolini since most just assign Hitler.

Then, you bring Islam back into it? Are you Muslim per chance?

Saying that Fascism is Right wing and the Republican party is Right-wing does not make them the same thing. Like saying a Muslim following the Koran and a radical terrorist following the Koran but it does not make them the same thing. Do you get it yet or am i correct here?

As far as fear...where the hell does that come from? Fear does not drive my decisions...intellect, discussion of all sides and research drive my decisions in most things in life. Not blind faith in something which I seem to sense you do.
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Facism and Socialism is what is being embedded in our country now. The GOP wants to stop big government not help to create it.
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posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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I also like hearing the cricket on my post about how we have a sitting US president killing not only children of terrorist but American citizens but you want to demonize Trump. Time for a



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
Saying that Fascism is Right wing and the Republican party is Right-wing does not make them the same thing. Like saying a Muslim following the Koran and a radical terrorist following the Koran but it does not make them the same thing. Do you get it yet or am i correct here?


Correct. You need to improve your explaining skills some, though. You're hard to comprehend sometimes. I gotta read your posts twice or thrice to get it.



originally posted by: matafuchs
Facism and Socialism is what is being embedded in our country now. The GOP wants to stop big government not help to create it.


Please! I wish. No, the GOP only SAYS theyre against big government. They are not conservative. They only pretend to be for your votes. They say one thing in front of the camera, and do the opposite. That was the whole reason the Tea Party was started. Follow your own advice above and dont confuse Republican and Conservative for the same thing. Remember, Bush said he was conservative, and then brought us mass surveillance. There is no party that wants to stop big government. I remember conservatives used to defend Big Govt during Bush years while Dems were on the offensive, the as soon as Obama came in office yall switched sides like halftime and suddenly Dems became blind to govt overreach as Repubs realized the govt is oppresive. Dont you see how theyre playing us?


originally posted by: matafuchs
I also like hearing the cricket on my post about how we have a sitting US president killing not only children of terrorist but American citizens but you want to demonize Trump


It was wrong then, and its wrong now, and damn sure shouldnt be codified and implemented.
edit on 12172015 by MayanBoricua because: Additions and Clarification



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: ElectricFeel

Meanwhile during World War II in the USA, thousands of Japanese Americans and immigrants were rounded up and placed in internment camps. Barred from entering the USA because we were at War with them. I see no difference here, Muslim extremists are trying to kill us, let's not let them in until we can solve this. Look at our relationship with the Japanese now? We can do that in the Middle East as well, we just need time. And until that time, we should not be letting them in.

PS, I don't see ANY far right conservatives or Christians throwing gays off of buildings, cutting Muslim's heads off, killing babies and stoning victims of rape to death. Let's put this into perspective come on...




posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: ElectricFeel

It's funny, whenever I hear the word Fascism or Fascist I always think of Liberalism or Liberals...

fascism
noun fas·cism ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-
Simple Definition of fascism

: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
: very harsh control or authority


Full Definition of fascism
1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control



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