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Trying, TRYING, to sort out the Republican Candidate Debates....

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posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker




Though I could point out Bush 41 did get elected on continuing the Reagan policies.


I recall Bush 41 slandering Reagan's economic policy by referring to it as "voodoo economics" during his presidential campaign.
edit on 16-12-2015 by WeDemBoyz because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
a reply to: nwtrucker




Though I could point out Bush 41 did get elected on continuing the Reagan policies.


I recall Bush 41 slandering Reagan's economic policy by referring to it as "voodoo economics". He id so to separate himself from Reagan.


Your right. I had forgotten that. Still, I recall that in the vast majority, his rhetoric was almost lock-step. I'm definitely in the middle of a 'brain-fart' on that one....LOL



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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Sorting is not hard,

Shoot down Russian aircraft in no fly zone and potentially cause WW3, all except Trump, Cruz and Paul.

Nation building and Regime change that promotes war business, all except Trump, Cruz and Paul.

See that's not hard!


edit on 16-12-2015 by Phoenix because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:08 AM
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I am not surprised that Bernie received no mention.
Bernie is like a worm in the Democratic apple. You don't notice him until you bite into that particular spot.

Hillary is the big fat vulture sitting on the tree waiting to feed on your corpse after you succumb to eating Democratic apples.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: WeDemBoyz

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
I loved how Sanders didn't even get a single mention. It's already decided the Dems will run Hillary in the eyes of the liberal MSM, yet so many are still running around telling me I'm about to "Feel the Bern"

It's to the point where Bern supporters need to choose a Republican to get behind to save us from Hillary.

Although I fear many will take the butthurt route and vote for her just to spite the Republican Party.



Seven years ago, the media crowned Hillary as the next POTUS. Then a newcomer on the scene swooped in and got the nomination. I don't see any reason to believe it can't happen again.


Trouble is, Sanders isn't a 'newcomer'. He's an old, old party trooper. Did I mention he was OLD?.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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Love Hillary and love Bernie for keeping her left. So how bout those republican candidates?



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
I loved how Sanders didn't even get a single mention. It's already decided the Dems will run Hillary in the eyes of the liberal MSM, yet so many are still running around telling me I'm about to "Feel the Bern"

It's to the point where Bern supporters need to choose a Republican to get behind to save us from Hillary.

Although I fear many will take the butthurt route and vote for her just to spite the Republican Party.



Seven years ago, the media crowned Hillary as the next POTUS. Then a newcomer on the scene swooped in and got the nomination. I don't see any reason to believe it can't happen again.


Trouble is, Sanders isn't a 'newcomer'. He's an old, old party trooper. Did I mention he was OLD?.


I think the biggest issue with democrats is that they won't get behind someone who identifies as a democratic socialist. It just won't play well to the average democrat.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
I loved how Sanders didn't even get a single mention. It's already decided the Dems will run Hillary in the eyes of the liberal MSM, yet so many are still running around telling me I'm about to "Feel the Bern"

It's to the point where Bern supporters need to choose a Republican to get behind to save us from Hillary.

Although I fear many will take the butthurt route and vote for her just to spite the Republican Party.



Seven years ago, the media crowned Hillary as the next POTUS. Then a newcomer on the scene swooped in and got the nomination. I don't see any reason to believe it can't happen again.


Trouble is, Sanders isn't a 'newcomer'. He's an old, old party trooper. Did I mention he was OLD?.


I think the biggest issue with democrats is that they won't get behind someone who identifies as a democratic socialist. It just won't play well to the average democrat.


That's due to it doesn't play well with the average American.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

Well thought out OP, nwt.

I found it interesting that Bush has spent $25 million on ads and Trump only $300,000. But it's not surprising since everything that comes out of his mouth is an instant hot topic on social media and makes its way to mass media. Free publicity. Good or bad, it's still publicity.
Ford was never elected. He was appointed Vice President after Spiro had to cut and run and then assumed the presidency upon Nixon's exit. Talk about a guy being in the right place at the right time...

I get what you are saying about the emotion factor. Reagan made good speeches, had a helluva lotta spooks in his closet that I don't think even he was fully aware of to prop him up.
Clinton...hmmm...the first term was unsurprising, Perot took all of the anti-tax Repubs with him when Elder Bush said he would raise taxes allowing Clinton to skate by.

I'm voting Bernie in the primaries only because I'm a lifelong Independent and so was he until he knew he had no chance to get some messages brought to the forefront. But after that, I don't know.

For all of these debates, the Republican clown car has barely got any smaller. It seems that all of the candidates are waiting for Trump to "go too far". Scarily enough, he's more teflon than Bill Clinton. Nothing sticks to him because he shifts the topic so well. His campaign is so much psychology and sociology, I'm impressed. He (or his campaign people, anyway) know how to sway public opinion.

Good luck picking someone.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: Phoenix
Sorting is not hard,

Shoot down Russian aircraft in no fly zone and potentially cause WW3, all except Trump, Cruz and Paul.

Nation building and Regime change that promotes war business, all except Trump, Cruz and Paul.

See that's not hard!



it's only easy when one bases their criteria on one issue. Too bad Bernie and Hillary don't agree with you...then what?

Easy huh? cough, cough.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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This early in the game...All the campaigning, photo ops, debates, and conventions are all just political theater. The real "deciders-in-chief" are in corporate board rooms and the pentagon. Public opinion barely gets noticed.

If that's the case...who do you think will be the GOP nominee?

Hint...it's not Trump



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nwtrucker

My issue with elections is that we get to choose from a list of candidates that were pre-selected. It gives us the illusion of choice.
Give me an outsider, a dark horse over any of them. What they say is meaningless. It's what they DO that counts.


I'm curious, does Trump not fit that description? Carson? Carli?


Carly, I think is there, I think, just so they can't be told they didn't take a woman seriously. She is not exactly an 'outsider' just because she comes from the private sector.

Carson, I think is too outside, he comes from another planet, and not a good one.

Trump has never been outside of anything. He has pushed his way into the spotlight for many years. Not a political outsider as he has given so much money to politicians.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: Phoenix
Sorting is not hard,

Shoot down Russian aircraft in no fly zone and potentially cause WW3, all except Trump, Cruz and Paul.

Nation building and Regime change that promotes war business, all except Trump, Cruz and Paul.

See that's not hard!



Trump wanted the no fly zone. He recently changed his mind by saying Putin should be able to some in and do whatever he wants.
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posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: the owlbear
a reply to: nwtrucker

Well thought out OP, nwt.

I found it interesting that Bush has spent $25 million on ads and Trump only $300,000. But it's not surprising since everything that comes out of his mouth is an instant hot topic on social media and makes its way to mass media. Free publicity. Good or bad, it's still publicity.
Ford was never elected. He was appointed Vice President after Spiro had to cut and run and then assumed the presidency upon Nixon's exit. Talk about a guy being in the right place at the right time...

I get what you are saying about the emotion factor. Reagan made good speeches, had a helluva lotta spooks in his closet that I don't think even he was fully aware of to prop him up.
Clinton...hmmm...the first term was unsurprising, Perot took all of the anti-tax Repubs with him when Elder Bush said he would raise taxes allowing Clinton to skate by.

I'm voting Bernie in the primaries only because I'm a lifelong Independent and so was he until he knew he had no chance to get some messages brought to the forefront. But after that, I don't know.

For all of these debates, the Republican clown car has barely got any smaller. It seems that all of the candidates are waiting for Trump to "go too far". Scarily enough, he's more teflon than Bill Clinton. Nothing sticks to him because he shifts the topic so well. His campaign is so much psychology and sociology, I'm impressed. He (or his campaign people, anyway) know how to sway public opinion.

Good luck picking someone.


Thanks. I had forgotten the ford drama, again thanks. I was listening to a local 'conservative' station in Seattle, I believe Monday. (how a station calls itself conservative when it's owned by ESPN, and therefore ABC, I will never know) They had a chap on from San Diego who had a 90 minute interview with Trump during a book signing session and a bit of time after that.

Trump has no campaign manager. He basically wings it. He's the one that said Trump is a promoter/negotiator. He pointed out that Trump has amazing traction in New York city...even with the democrat base, as well! He is credited with the revival of New York even more then Giuliani!(This station is Republican Establishment and is no supporter of Trump)

My personal preference is Carli, I feel she, economically, is well suited to take a U.S. economy that is in similar straits as H.P. was and ensure it's survival. Fairly sympatico with her on international issues as well. That isn't happening, so I am down to the alternates, that's when it get tougher...



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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I dont like Trump per say. I think he makes a lot of racist statements. But I think he could use his business sense to put the best people in charge of the offices the president appoints because he doesnt like lickspittles he wants winners and competant people to be in charge. And I cant see any other candidate that will do that. Bernie is a nice guy and I respect his history as a congressman he does his job well but Im not a democrat socialist. And I just dont see anyone else doing the job justice. I do like Paul but Id rather give Trump a chance at making a dent.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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I'm sure it won't be to spite you, stop blaming others and accept the GOP haven't fielded a decent credible alternative since bush got voted out. That's the point don't be blaming liberals or dems it's the GOPs fault not anyone else. They need to take responsibility at their failure to get a president elected? ThiS election should be the GOPs for the taking, but you don't seem convinced preferring to blame liberals for voting democrat.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nwtrucker

My issue with elections is that we get to choose from a list of candidates that were pre-selected. It gives us the illusion of choice.
Give me an outsider, a dark horse over any of them. What they say is meaningless. It's what they DO that counts.


I'm curious, does Trump not fit that description? Carson? Carli?


Carly, I think is there, I think, just so they can't be told they didn't take a woman seriously. She is not exactly an 'outsider' just because she comes from the private sector.

Carson, I think is too outside, he comes from another planet, and not a good one.

Trump has never been outside of anything. He has pushed his way into the spotlight for many years. Not a political outsider as he has given so much money to politicians.


Carly, was my first choice. We will have to disagree on Carson and Trump. Both are very outside the political machine. Just because one buys a steak in a restaurant doesn't make him a 'master chef' in the eyes of those that cooked it for him...

Trump IS an outsider. he has both parties and the media FUBAR'd. If you cannot see that, well....it's you who's on your own little planet...



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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Trump is a helluva campaign manager for himself then.
I really think he has a cloistered group doing nothing but lurking social media to find hot botton issues that will make joe six pack cheer and everyone else groan in order to gain the free publicity.

I think Fiorino would be a great cabinet addition or Senator. Running a computer company isn't like running a country. She has great organizational skills and is incredibly intelligent, but I don't think she has a proverbial pulse of the people. You can't lay off a huge portion of the government or populace in order to put the books in the black.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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I said they were doing it to spite the Republican party not me. Why make this personal? Did I offend you in some way?

I agree it's the GOP's for the taking and it's insane that they cannot produce a reasonable candidate, but to act like libs who are going to vote for a known criminal don't have some kind of fault on their shoulders is asinine.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: texasyeti
I dont like Trump per say. I think he makes a lot of racist statements. But I think he could use his business sense to put the best people in charge of the offices the president appoints because he doesnt like lickspittles he wants winners and competant people to be in charge. And I cant see any other candidate that will do that. Bernie is a nice guy and I respect his history as a congressman he does his job well but Im not a democrat socialist. And I just dont see anyone else doing the job justice. I do like Paul but Id rather give Trump a chance at making a dent.


Trump has to be good at these things to begin with in order to know how to pick. This is NOT the Apprentice.



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