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Assad can stay, for now: Kerry accepts Russian stance

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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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While I welcome this U-Turn it is incredibly hilarious they about face on something they were so so desperate to have happen




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: neo96


Turns around. Then goes,' Noooo we just funnin with ya'. The current administration looks like a JOKE! No wonder ISIS has been on the rise.


No good deed goes unpunished. If he didn't cooperate everyone around the world would be bitching about that! You know, Warmonger! Jingoist Xenophobe! Poopiestinklemuffin !!



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: Discotech
While I welcome this U-Turn it is incredibly hilarious they about face on something they were so so desperate to have happen


America will never admit it was wrong, but you know the world has got to an interesting place when Russia, Russia is making the most sense.

Edgar Cayce did say From Russia will come the hope of the world



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: Bone75
Putin must have some serious dirt on Obama.


Maybe the original copy of his birth certificate?


I was thinking more along the lines of how we framed Assad.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

The US did NOT create ISIS.

Saudi Arabia did.



The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, IPA /ˈaɪsəl/), alternatively translated the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS, /ˈaɪsɨs/),[29] is a Salafi jihadist militant group that adheres to an Islamic fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine of Sunni Islam


en.wikipedia.org...



l-Qaeda (/ælˈkaɪdə/ or /ˌælkɑːˈiːdə/; Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-qāʿidah, Arabic: [ælqɑːʕɪdɐ], translation: "The Base", "The Foundation" or "The Fundament" and alternatively spelled al-Qaida, al-Qæda and sometimes al-Qa'ida) is a global militant Sunni Islamist organization founded by Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam,[25] and several others,




A WikiLeaks released memo from the United States Secretary of State sent in 2009 asserted that the primary source of funding of Sunni terrorist groups worldwide was Saudi Arabia.[76]


en.wikipedia.org...



The civil war in Syria, whose Alawite regime Saudi Arabia's Sunny monarchy has long plotted against, and the prospect of a war with Shiite Iran over its reported drive to acquire nuclear weapons, preoccupy Riyadh while, Abdallah, Canute-like, strives to keep the democratic wave from breaking on its shores.




His elevation to chief of Saudi Arabia's vast intelligence network, and the unlimited funds it controls, came only one day after the embattled Damascus regime was battered by the loss of four of President Bashar Assad's most important security chiefs in a bombing inside the heavily guarded national security headquarters


www.upi.com...

The Reason Saudi is there with their proxy ISIS is because they want to put their pipeline through Syria.

Russia and Iran Gazprom and the NIOC (National Iranian Oil Company)want theirs.

en.wikipedia.org...

It's all about Saudi Aramco, Gazprom, and NIOC battling it out.

And China is backing Russias play that benefits CNPC China National Petrolelum Corporation.



Russia’s belligerence in Syria has renewed debates about Russian motives. James Nixey, head of the Russia and Eurasia Program at Chatham House, and Xenia Wickett, project director for the United States at Chatham House, probably put it best in their recent article: “Why, ‘logically’, would a country buckling under the strain of a crippled economy and which has itself been a recent victim of extremist terror, open up a second front of military operations far away from its traditional theatre of military engagement in the former Soviet space? And what else, other than ulterior motives to those officially stated, could explain Russia’s targeting of Syrian groupings other than ISIS strongholds?”


www.foreignaffairs.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Really?

truthinmedia.com...

You are correct in that house of Saud have their filthy little hands in it too though.

They (Saudi Arabia) even tried to bribe Russia with oil to stay out of Syria, then bombed the winter olympics when he told them to get lost.


Saudi Arabia tried to bribe Russia

en.alalam.ir...
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Yeah REALLY.



Ibn Saud had conquered most of the Arabian peninsula and consolidated it into one kingdom with the help of the fanatically religious Wahhabi Bedouins, who believed, among other things, that dying in battle was a ticket to paradise, that all images, from pictures to statues, had to be destroyed, that drinking and smoking and singing and dancing were sins punishable by whipping, and so forth.


articles.baltimoresun.com...

Should sound familiar.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: markosity1973

The US did NOT create ISIS.

Saudi Arabia did.



The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, IPA /ˈaɪsəl/), alternatively translated the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS, /ˈaɪsɨs/),[29] is a Salafi jihadist militant group that adheres to an Islamic fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine of Sunni Islam


en.wikipedia.org...



l-Qaeda (/ælˈkaɪdə/ or /ˌælkɑːˈiːdə/; Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-qāʿidah, Arabic: [ælqɑːʕɪdɐ], translation: "The Base", "The Foundation" or "The Fundament" and alternatively spelled al-Qaida, al-Qæda and sometimes al-Qa'ida) is a global militant Sunni Islamist organization founded by Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam,[25] and several others,




A WikiLeaks released memo from the United States Secretary of State sent in 2009 asserted that the primary source of funding of Sunni terrorist groups worldwide was Saudi Arabia.[76]


en.wikipedia.org...



The civil war in Syria, whose Alawite regime Saudi Arabia's Sunny monarchy has long plotted against, and the prospect of a war with Shiite Iran over its reported drive to acquire nuclear weapons, preoccupy Riyadh while, Abdallah, Canute-like, strives to keep the democratic wave from breaking on its shores.




His elevation to chief of Saudi Arabia's vast intelligence network, and the unlimited funds it controls, came only one day after the embattled Damascus regime was battered by the loss of four of President Bashar Assad's most important security chiefs in a bombing inside the heavily guarded national security headquarters


www.upi.com...

The Reason Saudi is there with their proxy ISIS is because they want to put their pipeline through Syria.

Russia and Iran Gazprom and the NIOC (National Iranian Oil Company)want theirs.

en.wikipedia.org...

It's all about Saudi Aramco, Gazprom, and NIOC battling it out.

And China is backing Russias play that benefits CNPC China National Petrolelum Corporation.



Russia’s belligerence in Syria has renewed debates about Russian motives. James Nixey, head of the Russia and Eurasia Program at Chatham House, and Xenia Wickett, project director for the United States at Chatham House, probably put it best in their recent article: “Why, ‘logically’, would a country buckling under the strain of a crippled economy and which has itself been a recent victim of extremist terror, open up a second front of military operations far away from its traditional theatre of military engagement in the former Soviet space? And what else, other than ulterior motives to those officially stated, could explain Russia’s targeting of Syrian groupings other than ISIS strongholds?”


www.foreignaffairs.com...




So why are the US there?? You named everyone but them.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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John Kerry now says the leader of Syria Bashar Assad can "stay".


....and Obama Mister Kerry ????


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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: neo96

US, UK And France Training Syrian Rebels In Jordan, check
www.theguardian.com...
A month before ISIS started walking over the ME, check


edit on 15-12-2015 by all2human because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
The US draws a red line.

Says Assad must go.

Turns around. Then goes,' Noooo we just funnin with ya'.

The current administration looks like a JOKE!

No wonder ISIS has been on the rise.



I do not think it is quite that simple.

We have no right running around the world feigning concern for the freedom of others,while insidiously allowing our "intelligence" agencies to fund corrupt opposition, paving the way for our multinational corporations.

I will agree with you about the current administration being a joke, however not for the same reasons you seem to state it. Daesh is on the rise because of the destruction of sovereign counties, our empire has caused.

It is quite simple as to why they did not start World War Three over Syria, it would be lunacy to do so. There are certain multinational interests who would love WW3, we can only hope that they do not win.
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: sosobad

It's debatable that we are even there.

U.S. has mapped ISIS hiding spots, but won’t launch strikes for fear of civilian deaths

U.S. Pilots Confirm: Obama Admin Blocks 75 Percent of Islamic State Strikes

Not the first time the US acted like All hat no cattle.

Johnson did the same thing during Vietnam bombing nothing, but empty buildings, and fields.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:05 PM
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There can't be any faceplam more epic than Picard's double facepalm moment to react to this news. What a joke on world stage? Kerry and the rest of them should do everyone a favor and just resign.

How many lives have had to be affected by this rather stupendous stance against Assad, and suddenly we have a change, and not just a minor change, but a full on 180 degree point of view.

Guys are we living in interesting times, are we not..
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: sosobad

It's debatable that we are even there.

U.S. has mapped ISIS hiding spots, but won’t launch strikes for fear of civilian deaths

U.S. Pilots Confirm: Obama Admin Blocks 75 Percent of Islamic State Strikes

Not the first time the US acted like All hat no cattle.

Johnson did the same thing during Vietnam bombing nothing, but empty buildings, and fields.


So the US isn't involved in Syria at all? Then why the hell is kerry saying that "Assad can stay, for now".
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: sosobad

Because we are entering the 2016 election cycle.

THAT's IT.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
In a sudden 180 degree turn, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry now says the leader of Syria Bashar Assad can "stay".

This comes during a visit to Moscow.

Not long ago, everybody was shouting that Assad must go.

Now all-of-a-sudden, the U.S. official policy has ceded to the opposite direction.

Hmmm.

Makes people wonder just WHO is dictating American policies these days?

It's almost like nobody knows who's on who's side anymore.

They sure have a lot of people fooled don't they.


Assad can stay, for now: Kerry accepts Russian stance


U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday accepted Russia's long-standing demand that President Bashar Assad's future be determined by his own people, as Washington and Moscow edged toward putting aside years of disagreement over how to end Syria's civil war.

"The United States and our partners are not seeking so-called regime change," Kerry told reporters in the Russian capital after meeting President Vladimir Putin. A major international conference on Syria would take place later this week in New York, Kerry announced.

Kerry reiterated the U.S. position that Assad, accused by the West of massive human rights violations and chemical weapons attacks, won't be able to steer Syria out of 4 ½ years of conflict.


Russia of course wants to to all they can to stop any gas pipelines going into Europe.

Russia is Europe's largest supplier of natural gas.

Qatar and the House of Saud would love to grab that market.

So would Iran.

1+1=2

2+2=4

or does it?





You have it backwards. There were no droves of American people telling Obama to overthrow Assad. In fact, there were droves of American people telling Obama to butt out, especially the time he drew the red line in sand.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:19 PM
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The reason Kerry is running his mouth is because he is doing what his boss tells him too.

Kerry's,the Potus's party does horrible on 'national security' aka Terrorism. Which is why they down play it.

And act like chickens running around about 'global warming'.

They want to change the national discussion AWAY from Syria to something else.

To set up the coming election.

This stuff is transparent to those paying attention.

NBC/WSJ Poll: Terror Fears Reshape 2016 Landscape

NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Falls to 43% as Terror New #1 Issue

Syria/Terrorism has to be taken out of the main stream consciousness.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: GeisterFahrer

You have it partly backwards.

The U.S. politicians were shouting including Obama and Kerry.

And the theme now is between two superpowers and their politicians.

Since when does the general public have any say ?




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: sosobad

Because we are entering the 2016 election cycle.

THAT's IT.



And all the talk from the US for the last 3-4 years was about what? 3-4 years of Assad must go. Your reasoning isn't making sense. Either they were involved in Syria or they weren't. If so, which they clearly have been, what is their role in your eyes?



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 06:32 PM
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I don't really see any other viable option for Syria if the goal is stability. Because removing Saddam and Qaddafi didn't work so well for us did it?

Maybe Kerry and the U.S. just looked at the cards dealt and folded? And maybe this administration ought to be more careful in its rhetoric?
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