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Freddie Gray case: Jurors say they're deadlocked; judge tells them to keep deliberating

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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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Freddie Gray case: Jurors say they're deadlocked

Baltimore (CNN)[Breaking news alert, posted at 3:45 p.m. ET Tuesday]

Jurors deliberating in the trial of Baltimore police Officer William Porter said Tuesday afternoon that they were deadlocked. The judge sent the jury back in and told them to continue deliberating.


The judge in the first trial related to the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray denied a new defense request for a mistrial Tuesday, as jurors began their second day of deliberations.

Defense attorneys for city police Officer William Porter -- the first of six officers to be tried in Gray's death from a neck injury sustained while in police custody -- moved for the mistria

Freddie Gray case: Jurors say they're deadlocked; judge tells them to keep deliberating

This is likely heading for a mistrial due to a hung jury.

It should have been declared a mistrial already.

This article also mentions letters jurors received warning of violence that definitely could have influenced them to vote guilty out of fear riots.

All law enforcement agencies are on full alert, of course.

I'm sure Rioters are on full alert as well, anxious to start their Christmas looting and violence.




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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It's beginning to look alot like Christmas.

Everwhere you go

Take a look at due proces. It's glistening lack of once again.

With molotov cocktails and store windows that glow.

It's beginning to look alot like Christmas

Broken glass every where.

Warms my heart.

The silly season.


edit on 15-12-2015 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Just saw this too. Unknown at this time what charges they're hung on and what the votes are.

Law enforcement is staging at the Baltimore County Fairground already.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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Im sorry but what the hell is there for them to deliberate on?



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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Looks like those prosecutors have failed as usual.




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Gonna get ugly no matter the verdict.

For the sake of Christmas, "pants up, don't loot".



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: KawRider9




For the sake of Christmas, "pants up, don't loot".


God bless everyone!




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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Bbwwwaahahaha!
Get the marshmallows.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Still surprised the change-of-venue motion was denied. Seemed the most likely outcome would be a mistrial. Then again, that could of been the entire reason the motion was denied.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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I'm confused, why should this have been declared a mistrial already?



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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Legal Insurrection is a good place to go for analysis of cases like this one, and they have some good articles on it.

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The prosecution’s theory of the case is that Porter committed two acts of omission of a legal duty—failing to seatbelt Gray into the police van and failure to provide timely medical care—either or both of which created a substantial and unjustified risk of death to Gray.

The defense theory of the case with respect to the seatbelt issue is that the department’s seatbelt rule, enacted only days before Gray’s in-custody injury, was in effect a guidance subject to reasonable discretion, and that Porter was able to articulate a reasonable basis for not belting Gray in. Further, if any of the six officers on scene had responsibility for belting Gray in the van it was the driver, Officer Goodson.

The defense theory of the case with respect to the provision of medical care is that Porter provided timely medical care as soon as possible after Gray was injured and the time anyone could have been aware of that injury, which the defense claims occurred only after the last of the van’s penultimate stop (the 5th stop) prior to reaching its destination (the final 6th stop). Care could not have been provided at earlier stops for Gray’s neck injury, they claim, because the injury had not yet occurred.


According to their analysis based heavily on reporting from the Baltimore Sun. It should be hard for the jury to deliver a conviction on all counts, if any.

For example, but medical witnesses testified that Grey's injury would have immediately paralyzed him from the neck down. Other witnesses for both prosecution and defense testified that Grey retained voluntary control of his body right up until every stop prior to the last. So failure to render medical aid is difficult to prove. You cannot ignore rendering aid to an injury that has not yet occurred.

That's just one thing.

There are others.

legalinsurrection.com...-153899


There was no word on whether he also read them an Allen charge, named after the 1896 Supreme Court case in which they first approved the instruction (Allen v. United States, 164 US 492).

The Allen charge is a jury instruction used specifically in such circumstances in which the jury reports they cannot arrive at a unanimous verdict. It essentially reminds the jury of all the resources and time that have been put into this trial, notes that another jury is unlikely to be better suited to reaching a verdict than they are, and tells them to get their act together, get back into the jury room, and come back with a verdict, darn it!





posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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I'm surprised that a judge would order the hung jury to continue deliberations, that's browbeating.
It's a bit like saying the intellectual argument is done and dusted, one way or the other as far as the judge is concerned, while the longer the jury is in there, the more they need to get OTF.
You also have to wonder what the sticking points are? A jury should be able to review presented evidence for any clarification if that is possible.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

They've been given everything they have asked for that was actually entered as evidence. The judge has only denied requests for things that weren't entered as evidence and/or didn't add material support to deliberations.

Honestly I think it's pretty simple. The jury was supposed to deliberate up till 5:30 EST and the judge will likely keep them there until then.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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A hung jury the state didn't make it's case.

Yeah people they didn't.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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I think the prosecution threw the case on purpose.

The Feds want more control after the rioting.




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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It appears the incompetant judge just told the jurors to cave in to peer pressure and vote guilty so we can all go home and lesson riots.




"Compromise if you can do so without violence to your own moral judgement," Williams said.
abcnews.go.com...

Compromise verdicts are not allowed.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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dont taze me bro. Cant we all get along? burn the ditch bown...

Another excuse to raise havoc and throw bricks






posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
It appears the incompetant judge just told the jurors to cave in to peer pressure and vote guilty so we can all go home and lesson riots.




"Compromise if you can do so without violence to your own moral judgement," Williams said.
abcnews.go.com...

Compromise verdicts are not allowed.


Boy you sure added a whole lot to his statement that he didn't actually say, didn't you? And left out the part where yesterday during jury instructions he told the jury to "not be swayed by sympathy, prejudice, or public opinion."

Telling somebody to compromise if they can do so without violating their own ethics is akin to telling somebody "sure, shoot that sleeping baby if you can live with it."




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

He's setting up the appeal.

The entire thing is fixed.




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Legal insurrection picked up on it.




UPDATE (4:01PM, 12/15/15): In a shocking statement, trial Judge William Barry told the hung jury to “Compromise if you can do so without violence to your own moral judgement,” according to reporting by ABC News.

Such a statement coming from a trial judge is shocking because “compromise verdicts” in criminal cases are anathema to American concepts of jurisprudence and due process. Each juror is sworn to vote for a guilty verdict on a charge only if they honestly believe that each and every element of that charge has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If they do not so honestly believe this to be the case for a given charge, they are sworn to vote not guilty on that charge. Period. This lies at the core of the legal mandate that the defendant has the presumption of innocence.

There is no proper room for compromise in such a judicial framework. While it is true that criminal trial jurors do from time to time arrive at so-called compromise verdicts, these cases are considered defects in the judicial system, not legitimate outcomes.

If ever there were grounds for reversal of any conviction, this is it.

legalinsurrection.com...




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