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posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 03:53 AM
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Hi,

i'm looking for information of christians and their secret rituals like christianization of heathens, etc... possibly with some eyewitness accounts. Does a good book or webresource exist on the subject ?




posted on Jan, 6 2005 @ 04:10 AM
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Could you elaborate on what you mean a little more completely?




posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by krotzkrotz

Hi,

i'm looking for information of christians and their secret rituals like christianization of heathens, etc... possibly with some eyewitness accounts. Does a good book or webresource exist on the subject ?




I'm christian, but I never heard of any of that stuff.. What the heck am I a part of? :p Of course, I never took part in anything that has to do with religion in years.



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by krotzkrotz

Hi,

i'm looking for information of christians and their secret rituals like christianization of heathens, etc... possibly with some eyewitness accounts. Does a good book or webresource exist on the subject ?




I saw a preacher try to Drown a guy once, but was unsucessfull, so he said the guy was reborn.

They also have stained glass windws in their churches. What do they have to hide?
/sarchasm


[edit on 8-1-2005 by wiggy]



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 05:02 PM
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I saw a preacher try to Drown a guy once, but was unsucessfull, so he said the guy was reborn.

They also have stained glass windws in their churches. What do they have to hide?
/sarchasm

Good ones!
I thought you were serious at first. Ha!

That is a really bizarre question, though. I've been deep into the political structure of some major religious institutions and while some might have some shenanigans regarding finances or power, such things weren't any more extraordinary there than they were in secular corporations in which I've worked. And yeah, there are some weirdo snake-handling churches and other weird stuff, but those have little to do with actual Christianity.



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 05:06 PM
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Have you ever wondered why Christian kids are so good at Maths ? ...

There was a little boy and he was failing math. He had never had a good grade in it and on his last report card he had an F so his parents decided to send him to a Catholic school.

The first day he came on walked through the kitchen got a glass of water and went to his room to study not saying a word to either of his parents.
The second day he did the same thing again.
This went on for about two months. He got his report card and came home got a glass of water laid his report card on the table and went to his room to study. His mom was starting to get worried so she opened his report card and sure enough he had achieved an A in Math.

She was very concerned as to why he could do it now but he didn't study when he was in regular school, so she went upstairs to his room and ask him. "Son I see you got an A in Math. Was it the discipline?" "No," he said. "Was it the nuns?" "No," he said. "Well, what was it then?" she ask. The boy replied back, "Well the first day I went to that school and saw that guy they had nailed to the plus sign. . .I was gonna get an A."



[edit on 8-1-2005 by Pisky]



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 05:11 PM
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LOL! Krotz, we do not believe in secrets. We believe everything should be in plain, full view, which is why most of us don't trust groups like the Masons.

The one sneaky thing is the drowning. Due to the Salem witch burnings of several decades ago, we only allow decendants of witches or actual witches into our club. What we do, we have a tub behind where the preacher is. When someone new comes, we open the curtain, fill the tub, and then the preacher tries to drown the new person. If he can't be drowned, he must be either a witch or a decendant of a witch, so he is let in.
That is our affirmative action policy.



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
LOL! Krotz, we do not believe in secrets. We believe everything should be in plain, full view, which is why most of us don't trust groups like the Masons.

The one sneaky thing is the drowning. Due to the Salem witch burnings of several decades ago, we only allow decendants of witches or actual witches into our club. What we do, we have a tub behind where the preacher is. When someone new comes, we open the curtain, fill the tub, and then the preacher tries to drown the new person. If he can't be drowned, he must be either a witch or a decendant of a witch, so he is let in.
That is our affirmative action policy.


This is hilarious.


Jez

posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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Wow.... sounds interesting is that what you think it's about.
Well perhaps a few explanations for some of those "weird rituals"

I am a pentecostal christian (this is like a section of the religion such as Baptist/Anglican/Presbyterian - the thing is that Different denominations place a different emphasis on different parts of the Bible - however all the core parts remain (believing that Jesus died for us and rose again, he is the Son of God and that he was perfect and his death freed us from going to hell).

As for christianization of heathens, no weird rituals and becoming a christian takes less than a minute and costs nothing.

To become a christian you pray recognising that Jesus is the son of God, and he lived a sinless life and died for the sake of the world, you pray knowing that he rose again 3 days later.
Romans 10:9 (NIV). "if you confess with your mouth,. 'Jesus is Lord,'. and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved"


As for Christinisation a Christian who believes this will honestly do there best to follow Jesus and the Bible teachings, but like everyone they will still sin, however they can ask for forgiveness. 1 JOHN 1:9 says If we confess our sins, he is faithfull and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness



First the easy question "They also have stained glass windws in their churches. What do they have to hide? "
- Firstly not all churches have stained glass windows, and secondly churches are open to the public - they're not exactly a secret society. Step in one day - you won't get kicked out. On a slighly unrelated subject I live in a heritage listed home with some of my doors having stain glass windows... could this mean I have a secret or something to hide, maybee I have sacrifices - I think not champ!

Secondly as for "drowning a guy"
- ever seen a child in a catholic church get christened, you know the water on the head... yeah well try to find this getting done in the bible. In anycase new Christians would go into the river (John the BAPTIST) They would go into the water fully submerged and come out of the water baptised. When you saw a preacher "drowning a guy" he was being baptised - When a christian is baptised they are making a public declaration that they want to follow Jesus... they go into the water (symbolism of dying to there old self) and come out of the water (symbolising rising to there new life). If you want to really get tricky people will often ask for baptism in the Holy Spirit so they can speak in tongues and receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Christians will often speak in another language (a prayer/praise language)... it's not really weird it's a gift that God gives, I'm sure a lot of people are stuck for words to say at times so basically what this does is lets you worship God using "your tongue".


after a typed this message I saw Wiggy's Sarcasm line



[edit on 8-1-2005 by Jez]



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
LOL! Krotz, we do not believe in secrets. We believe everything should be in plain, full view, which is why most of us don't trust groups like the Masons.


And I don't exactly trust those who claim to be "Christians" for the same reason. Add to that the genocide that has been perpetrated throughout history in the name of their god and I reckon I've got a better case for mistrust than you have.


"We don't believe in secrets"? Please TC!!!! The Churches have been the most secretive organisations ever devised by man!!!!

One could not exactly state that baptism isn't a "weird ritual" either.
Here's what one missionary had to say about his African congregation after a baptism:

"Seeing several of the old men actually in tears during the service, I asked them afterwards the cause of their weeping; they were crying to see their father, as the Scotch remark over a case of suicide, 'so far left to himself.' They seemed to think that I had thrown the glamour over him, and that he had become mine."

So obviously to those who aren't brought up in the Chrisitan faith it can seem a wierd ritual.

Jez, your comment that churches are open to the public isn't exactly true either. All of the churches that I know of lock their doors and for most of the day are not accessible to the public.

I have no axe to gind with Christianity. I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ myself. But to cast aspersions at others whilst not recognising that we have had problems within our religion is just plain daft.



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 05:58 PM
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Jez, your comment that churches are open to the public isn't exactly true either. All of the churches that I know of lock their doors and for most of the day are not accessible to the public.

I have no axe to gind with Christianity. I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ myself. But to cast aspersions at others whilst not recognising that we have had problems within our religion is just plain daft.

That statement is too much of a generalization to be valid. It's like saying all hotels have bedbugs.



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by cjane

Jez, your comment that churches are open to the public isn't exactly true either. All of the churches that I know of lock their doors and for most of the day are not accessible to the public.

I have no axe to gind with Christianity. I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ myself. But to cast aspersions at others whilst not recognising that we have had problems within our religion is just plain daft.

That statement is too much of a generalization to be valid. It's like saying all hotels have bedbugs.


Which part? The first or second paragraph?

For the first, this is unfortunately true in my case. The churches in my area always seem to be locked and there are many times when I've visited them only to find padlocks on the door. I've also found this to be the case when I've visited relatives elsewhere in the country. So unfortunately all of the hotels that I have seen do have bedbugs. I did state that I was referring to my personal experience if you read the first paragraph again.

If you're referring to the second paragraph I don't understand how that could be a generalisation. Although I obviously have problems getting into my local church and recognise the failings of the past, it doesn't make my faith in Christ any less valid than anyone elses.

Please clarify.



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 06:15 PM
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Which part? The first or second paragraph?

Both.


For the first, this is unfortunately true in my case. The churches in my area always seem to be locked and there are many times when I've visited them only to find padlocks on the door.

It's a matter of security. Churches get robbed just like any other place. If you find a church locked, putting a call in to someone at the office or rectory is all you'd need to do to gain entry.

[edit on 8-1-2005 by cjane]



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by cjane

It's a matter of security. Churches get robbed just like any other place. If you find a church locked, putting a call in to someone at the office or rectory is all you'd need to do to gain entry.




And do you think that masonic temples are any different?



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by cjane
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It's a matter of security. Churches get robbed just like any other place. If you find a church locked, putting a call in to someone at the office or rectory is all you'd need to do to gain entry.

[edit on 8-1-2005 by cjane]


Before I petitioned for Masonry I was frequently allowed to enter my local Masoic Lodge. If it was locked, it was because there was no one there. If there was ritual or Masonic meetings going on that part of the lodge was blocked off. However the Masons there would gladly give me info. I can't imagine many lodges being any different.



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 06:36 PM
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And do you think that masonic temples are any different?

I never said they were. I have absolutely no problem with Masons.



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by krotzkrotz

Hi,

i'm looking for information of christians and their secret rituals like christianization of heathens, etc... possibly with some eyewitness accounts. Does a good book or webresource exist on the subject ?




What have they been teaching you in atheist school? lol



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 09:37 PM
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Hello,
this is very surprising thread, if you don't mind me saying, i wasnt expecting a post like this.

I will try to give you an idea of what a christian is, since you don't seem to know anything about them lol. Everytime you hear a person mention the name God, as if talking to or about it/him or something else, it means they are a christian(yeah unless its negative remarks towards god lol i know), unless the person is wearing a skull cap, symbolizing that theyre jewish, then they are Christians. Christianity is no secret society, it simply means that the subject has a collection of beliefs concerning Immanuel, known as Jesus Christ, and the Hebrew/jewish God.
You can't really ask a question such as what are their secret rituals, well there are none...theyre all open, nothing secret about christianity, well except for christian sects such as the catholic church, they seem to gravely enjoy secrets.


However if any rituals, one would be Babtism, this is when a priest or revron takes a man and gently slides his head under a stream or pool of water in order to cleanse him of his sins. Then this means they are officially a christian, Yippey Kai YaY!
There are countless numbers of christian sects also, babtist, methodist, catholic, presbiterian, etc. They are oftenly very very different in their beliefs and it's all very unorganized and unecessary.

Another point i believe i should make, is tht from my own estimated claculation only about 20% of christians, from any sect, actually follow and understand the teachings of their worship figure known as Lord Jesus. Most people are simply born into christian families and thats that, they don't care, they dont seek a spiritual path, it's quite saddening. They call themselves christians only because they were simply born into it. They do not even understand the concept of their saviors teachings about spirituality, they dont really know what the heck true spirituality is.

I apologize for the negative opionionated side of christianity, so now ill tell you the good and what it's heart is supposed to meen.
A true christian is supposed to be a person whom does their best to honor God while being loving, compassionate caring people. They supposed to love all, even their enemies, it is an excellent very good philosopher and is truely a way for the rightouess path. People just don't really follow it.

Now if you wonder whether i am a christian, yes actually i am, however don't assume im like other regular christians, im not, lol, and im too lazy to explain my personal spiritual discoveries right now. I have learned things i never quite believed possible in my childhood, and i am now on my own quest to reach spiritual enlightenment. Stuff that i was never told in church, stuff that i could not possibly have learned in my church! Most christians don't understand exactly how direct christ was in his teachings concerning spirituality, it's not really their fault however, they were simply raised to believe somethings arent possible because their own elders before him were raised the same way and know no better.


And if you wanna read a good book on christian views, try the holy bible, lol, at your local bookstore!

Well i think i had more to say but I dont feel like typing anymore, lol, too much energy. lol
im done, enjoy lol.

Best wishes,
Dani

[edit on 8-1-2005 by Vesuvius 13]

[edit on 8-1-2005 by Vesuvius 13]



posted on Jan, 8 2005 @ 10:22 PM
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Christianity will be considered a cult in the measured eye of history. It was an offshoot, a mutation. Many will argue that it deserves some sort of special status because it's very, very old, and hasn't been worked on one bit, not..one..oh nevermind. I'm not gonna lie to you like everyone else. The book that most christians read is a hijacked reprint of a hijacked reprint of a censored cult leader's biography. Not a lot of people know this, but ritual annointing oil was made with cannabis back in the time of the prophets. That, combined with the fact that Jesus demanded all his followers give their entire estate to the church for redistribution makes him look a lot like modern cult leaders. Jesus was not a whole lot different than a guy like Koresh or any other young man with a messianic complex. Lots of people saw god in those days, they were smearing oil impregnated with hallucinogens all over their skin.

I personally think JC was the son of God. I think he was God, and is God, and always will be God. Of course I think I'm God, and you can all be Gods too, so the club isn't exactly exclusive. You see, christianity's big secret is that you don't need a priest or a chapel or a pew to worship God. All you need is life, humility, and consciousness, the rest flows in from the very air. What JC said got him killed. He said all men are Gods. And all men will have a place in their own kingdom.

Also, the virgin wasn't a virgin, that part was embellished to add drama. Either that or it was a mistranslation, unintentional or intentional. The bible may very well have been altered to more closely identify the life and death of JC with Osiris. The parralells are unmistakable. The rewritten copy would serve as sort of a dark, secretive worship by proxy of the old pagan gods in the new civilized church of Rome. There are as many conspiracies surrounding Christianity as you want there to be. Blood drinking, ritual drowning, kneeling before old men weighed down by gold to receive Gods love in the form of grape juice, altar boys with snickers bars in their pockets, tent evangelicals spitting on people and throwing them around a stage to cast out the demon swine spirit in control of them, snake handling, strictly enforced polygamy and in some cases incest, all of these can be attributed to one sect or another. Any other religion can be demonized in similar fashion because they share one fatal structural flaw, all created by man in his ignorance, seeking for more than what was given, interpreting more than what was said. The cult of christianity might as well be the cult of the golden bull, the concept is the same. God's Middlemen, here to serve you. F%$# them, serve yourself.

Don't let anyone tell you that you can't make something true by believing in it enough. Faith and prayer beat every other medication hands down. Placebo effect is the ability of the mind to imagine a benefit and prompt actual physical effects. JC was all about faith, he couldn't have cared less about religion, and temples, and ritual. That's why the people adored him. I don't blame him for the bible, I blame his flawed, all too human biographers. Still, if the world is only 16000 years old, that would mean dinosaurs..

Remember, Jesus didn't really want you to worship him, he wanted you to worship his qualities in yourself and your fellow men. Worship your own faith, make your own miracles, the son of man was what he called himself. Just like us regular people, the sons of men. He was trying to raise the consciousness of the sheeple, and some hired killers offed him for it.

One last note, Christians work best as the underdogs. When they're outmatched, outgunned, out numbered, they shine like a beacon of civilization and endurance(historically), the triumpth of the human spirit over adversity. But when they're on top, watch out. Christians are no more or less immune to the addictive nature of Power. It only takes a little real power for someone to develop a dependence. Brain chemicals released on a power high are far more potent and addictive than heroin or coke, nicotine or caffeine. And like the sayings go, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and never trust a junkie.



posted on Jan, 9 2005 @ 03:18 AM
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Leveller, I'm not about to get knee deep in stupidity, let me just say that you are having a difficult time determining the difference between Christianity and "the Church", and you are also buying into the secular historians' point of view that "the Church" is to blame for a lot of that which it isn't.

WyrdeOne, I think you have lied to us, but I think you don't even realize it. However, make a universe using your own material made by you and then I'll belive you are on the same level as Christ. You are not allowed to use as much as one atom of material designed or created by my God.

On your mark, get set, GO! Yes, I'm timing you. By the way, I request that all the females in your universe look like Keira Knightley. Oh, and all the rivers are flowing with high quality home made beer with low alcohol content.



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