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Breaking: Bowe Bergdahl To Go To General Court-Martial - Lawyer

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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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This just broke...so there's not much to say on it yet.
My personal opinion?---I am looking forward to seeing what comes from this.
I believe that he deserted...and brave soldiers died because of him. He should never have been traded for the 5 terrorist leaders...and Obama was way out of line, with his Rose Garden Bergdahl love-fest.



AUSTIN, Texas, Dec 14 (Reuters) - The charges against U.S. Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, a former prisoner of the Taliban in Afghanistan charged with desertion, were referred on Monday for trial by general court-martial, a lawyer for Bergdahl said.

Bergdahl, 29, was charged earlier this year with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. He faces up to life in prison if convicted of the more serious offense of misbehavior. (Reporting by Jon Herskovitz, editing by G Crosse)


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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:24 PM
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Am honestly surprised this decision was made in light of the recommendation for only a special court martial.

It'll be interesting to see how, if at all, the WH reacts to this announcement. And will be even more interesting to see the outcome of the court martial. I don't see a conviction on the charges as they stand, but perhaps a lesser offense. To me it's pretty clear that "some people" don't want the deserter to feel even a hint of trouble.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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This traitor was saved by letting five terrorists go back into the world, but when people are actually kidnapped by terrorists the government does not negotiate for their lives?
That makes as much sense as a crappie Internet video being responsible for an attack that killed four Americans in Bengazi .



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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So far, no comment from the White House. Obama already pretty much treated him like a returning hero by having the Rose Garden ceremony with his parents.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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dp
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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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Another great Obama fumble-flop.




posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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An American Soldier's, First General Order: "I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post, only when properly relieved"!

It's a "standard"! A law, regulation, code, duty, a trust, every American Soldier gets pounded into thier brain. Not because "they" said you'd do it. But because, you said you would! It's a warriors code.

He was "Posted"! Period! Maybe not on guard duty. Maybe not on the "crew served". But he was "posted". He left his post.

He accepted a Soldier's job. He wasn't drafted. Soldier's died trying to find/save his hind end.

He needs to be convicted for "dereliction of duty" if not for "the Warriors that fell" trying to find his a**.

I don't know how this POS sleeps at night.

I really don't understand how he became a NonCom! When did that happen? He deserted as a Specialist. Which is a dishonor to "Full Bird Privates",... (Said with all due respect and honor, "Specialist". NonCom may be, The Backbone", but you're the muscle). Then he somehow? Becomes a Non-Commissioned Officer? How's that?


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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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I wonder how much of that Obama trip to the Pentagon today was actually an attempt to lean on the military not to push forward with this?

Regardless, its about time. I was afraid they were going to let this guy off the hook.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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if in he had been in the Corps he violated all 11 general orders,actually he violated the 5th general order first. then the ones following

5. To quit my post only when properly relieved
1. To take charge of this post and all government property in view.
2. To walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.

if in he has been in the Corps he violated all 11 general orders, i don't know for sure how many the army or air force have.

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ETA: i went back and read your post and then looked up the army's, my bad.
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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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Yea the Army had to condense their general orders for sentries down. KISS, and all that. Though I'm not sure how somebody not on sentry duty can violate general orders for sentries, but whatever.

@ Murphy - he was only ever listed as missing-captured, not put in to deserter status. As such, promotions keep coming.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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We Soldier's aren't a bright lot. We only have three "Stated" GOs. Wether it's, "Stand Post", "Walk post", "Sleep at Post". Contrary to popular belief, the US. Army doesn't believe in redundant nonsense. But, I get you Marine. We're Soldiers not Marines. "Semper Fi", Marine. "This we'll Defend".

Can we agree? He needs to be strung up, from the highest "Yardarm"?



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 02:48 PM
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No, Sorry. Promotion comes untill E-4 with "Time in Grade". After that. It doesn't just "keep comming". I was a "Staff". I lost out to a guy with "points". That couldn't shoot or lead himself let alone troopers, out of a wet paper bag. But he had "points". Don't BS me.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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Though I'm not sure how somebody not on sentry duty can violate general orders for sentries, but whatever.


i swear that when the story broke about him, it was my understanding he was on guard duty when he left.
now that i go back and look i see all kinds of stories of how he was captured, and some of the soldiers said that they were threatened with prosecution if they talked about it.

hell there even threads on here that say he left his guard post, and one that i seen said he left a listening post.

here is one news story,'


According to first-hand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera, and a diary.


Former Pfc. Jose Baggett, 27, of Chicago, was also in Blackfoot Company, and said he was close to two men “killed because of his (Bergdahl’s) actions.”

“He walked off,” Baggett told CNN. “He left his guard post. Nobody knows if he defected or he’s a traitor or he was kidnapped. What I do know is he was there to protect us and instead he decided to defer from America and go and do his own thing. I don’t know why he decided to do that, but we spend so much of our resources and some of those resources were soldiers’ lives.”
Fellow soldiers say Bergdahl deserted his post, cost lives of people searching for him

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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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Good for them. Having been a 27D in the Army (Paralegal Specialist) and having worked both the prosecution and defense side of the court room, this is one of those cases that I would have loved to have been a part of. I'm very interested to see how this develops, but I'm with you--I think that he deserted. That doesn't mean that I don't think that he realized that it was a mistake later on, but I think that he left with intent to aid the enemy and seek refuge with them.

I'm glad, at this point, that it seems to have backfired on him.

And this is also why I think that the POTUS should not be the Commander-in-Chief of the military, as they generally don't get it, especially if they haven't served.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: murphy22

damn straight, at the very least most of his life in Fort Leavenworth, United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB).
people died looking for him that might have survived the war if he would have stayed on post.

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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: vor78
I wonder how much of that Obama trip to the Pentagon today was actually an attempt to lean on the military not to push forward with this?

Regardless, its about time. I was afraid they were going to let this guy off the hook.

I had the same thought when I first read this on FB. I had to double check by googling. See where it goes from here.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6
Like I said. Soldier's aren't the brightest. We may not be "the few". But some of us are still "proud"!

Uniforms don't make men. Men make the uniform. I'm SSG. Murphy (Ret.) and I approve of this message.
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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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Roger that!



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: murphy22
An American Soldier's, First General Order: "I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post, only when properly relieved"!

It's a "standard"! A law, regulation, code, duty, a trust, every American Soldier gets pounded into thier brain. Not because "they" said you'd do it. But because, you said you would! It's a warriors code.

He was "Posted"! Period! Maybe not on guard duty. Maybe not on the "crew served". But he was "posted". He left his post.

He accepted a Soldier's job. He wasn't drafted. Soldier's died trying to find/save his hind end.

He needs to be convicted for "dereliction of duty" if not for "the Warriors that fell" trying to find his a**.

I don't know how this POS sleeps at night.

I really don't understand how he became a NonCom! When did that happen? He deserted as a Specialist. Which is a dishonor to "Full Bird Privates",... (Said with all due respect and honor, "Specialist". NonCom may be, The Backbone", but you're the muscle). Then he somehow? Becomes a Non-Commissioned Officer? How's that?

he became a noncom in absentia by special rules that come into play for POWS or people left behind enemy lines. He was not boarded and he did not make it on promotion points or otherwise by merit in a war zone. He is a noncom in name only. and soon he will be a pvt again. A UCMJ action or trial starts with the onus being on the defense to prove he is not guilty. that is he is presumed guilty and it is up to the defense to prove other wise. it is not like a civilian trial. it is unusual if the result of a court martial comes out in the defendant's favor.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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basically it is "did so n so do X?" and he did because the UCMJ is written in such a way that for example if you raise an eyebrow at an officer or NCO it can be charged as disrespect. You don't really have a a lot wiggle room about guilt or innocence. and motives and circumstance only come into play at the aggravating, mitigating or extenuating circumstance portion of the hearing.

basically it will be "you did it so now the question is do we take one testicle or two off for it." and then they argue over whether it will be one or two.
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