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Convince Me Your Candidate Should Get My Vote!

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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Excellent response.

I do agree with some of things Bernie is trying to do and I would vote for him if it was between him and say Bush or Christie because I can't stand those guys. I also would do anything to avoid Hilary.




posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Hilary is so obvious.. She's paid for by wall Street, she supports and is part of the current actions of the government, she's just the definition of a corrupt politician that's perpetuating the problems America has.

I'm pro Bernie because he's all for equality in real ways. He has the voting record to prove it unlike others. Even if his ways are not conventional.. Conventional is old! I don't want another bush or Clinton in office just because people want to stay conventional. I want change - and he's offering it in real ways.

Trump is my other guy, just because he seems he'd shake things up. I won't vote for him, but I don't hate the idea of him as much as many others.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

How long has Bernie been in congress and what changes has he made?



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

One man cannot make changes. Look up his voting record.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: DBCowboy

One man cannot make changes. Look up his voting record.



I agree. One man cannot make changes. Even if he is president.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Executive orders can make a difference, and the ones he'd likely enact are not corrupt.

Make it illegal for corporations to donate to campaigns, for instance.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: DBCowboy

Executive orders can make a difference, and the ones he'd likely enact are not corrupt.

Make it illegal for corporations to donate to campaigns, for instance.


If executive orders are the only way to get things done, then we're screwed.

But I think we've been screwed a long time now.

I just can't buy into the "hype and change" anymore.

Everyone has the freedom to vote for the candidate that gets chosen for them. This election? I think I'll do something less painful than voting and get a body wax, then swim in lemon juice.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Congress and the Senate are fully corrupt, fully bought, and never going to help us low people. Executive orders and impeachment of those officials would be the only way to fix things in my opinion.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: DBCowboy

Congress and the Senate are fully corrupt, fully bought, and never going to help us low people. Executive orders and impeachment of those officials would be the only way to fix things in my opinion.


Agreed.

And since they represent one third of the DC power base, we'll always be screwed, no matter who sits in the oval office.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

While I can agree to that... I'm hopeful we are both wrong.

If he got in as president, in my opinion, it would show that the average person, and the majority of voters at that, would be calling for the type of change he offers. At least we would have it on some type of record that a large enough of the population does want less corruption in DC, right now.. I don't even know if enough people are cognitive of this fact.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

My wife & I will be supporting Bernie Sanders for all the obvious reasons.

He doesn't take money from corporate donors and he doesn't utilize PACs.

His positions are consistent and unchanged.

He's for reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act and breaking up the big banks.

He's NOT a "war-hawk."

He wants to remove private, for-profit, healthcare insurance providers from the mix and convert the ACA into a universal, single-payer healthcare system.

My biggest concern is his use of the term "Democratic Socialist" to describe himself and his policies.

While it doesn't bother me in the least, I fear that many won't be able to overcome their indoctrinated definition of the term.

Go Bernie!



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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His consistency over decades impresses me. He's my guy as well, he seems the most for the citizens, and the most against those that hurt the citizens. His methods could be called extreme, but me, lackluster efforts just won't get us anywhere.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 12:48 AM
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I'm probably voting R or D this year (roughly in order of favorite to least that I'll consider: Sanders, Paul, Kasich, Rubio, Fiorina). However, if I weren't voting R or D and were instead going third party I would go with the Pirate Party. As tacky as it is I actually have a Pirate Party bumper sticker, and on my backpack I have a 3d printed copy of their logo that I built myself.

I really like them on a lot of issues, but not all. To date they've only held local offices, nothing at the federal level, though they're more successful in other countries. They won't be running anyone for President, but if they have anyone locally or at the state level they're worth taking a look at. As a party the main things they fight for are a reform to intellectual property laws particularly in regards to open source and derivative works, Mechanisms to add transparency to government, policy based on evidence rather than ideology, equality for all before the law, and Meritocracy. Also they promote the hacker ethic which basically comes down to free access to information and governing through decentralized systems because authority can't be trusted. Obviously they're pretty technology focused, but I think that's a good thing. We all use technology every day but few if anyone in government actually understands it.

If you want a reservation I have about them, it's that their preferred system is direct democracy rather than elected representatives. While I can recognize the freedom in direct democracy, I think it's little more than mob rule, and I think it's something of a bad idea as the average citizen only has an average understanding of the bill or policy they're voting on.


Edit: Misread what you were asking for, I'll leave the above incase it's interesting reading material. My vote is probably going to Sanders but I could still be convinced otherwise by a good Republican plan. Here's my reasons:
1. Bernie is articulate. Everything he has proposed he has stated in detail exactly how he will fund it. He realizes budgets are a limited thing and he's working within those guidelines. If he gets his way, he will not be running deficits. On that note, he has even put forward a plan to start fixing the debt.

2. Unlike every other person in Washington, I have yet to find the Civil Right Bernie wants to do away with. He lets people talk, he's respectful of religion, he wants to restore due process, and he's even a defender of gun rights (though he does want only responsible people to own them)... he even has a passing grade from the NRA as a Democrat, and keeps his seat in Vermont due to his pro-moderate gun stance.

3. He wants to fix the rampant corruption in the financial sector. He has plans and they seem reasonable. We can put a stop to the bubble economies, stop letting banks invest our deposits, and maybe even get a small amount of control over the derivatives market before it tanks the worlds economy.

4. (you get a bonus one) He's one of the few ahead of the curve that recognizes capitalism is broken. We've hit the point where productivity is so high, we're now producing inferior goods like Walmart appliances that break after 2 years, and reproducing goods like houses just to keep spinning the wheels. This is the fatal flaw in capitalism, it leads to massive inefficiencies in the market just to keep people employed and the economy moving.

5. This is related to #4 in that he's a Democratic Socialist. I don't know if that's what we need going forward but I'm willing to give it a try. I don't want Communism, I don't want pure Socialism, and Capitalism is in it's death throes. We need a new economic system and this could be it or ultimately lead to it, but it's a gamble. I will say on that note though that even if he does start implementing it, Congress will regulate it to an extent. For much the same reason that Ron Paul would never be able to follow through on his plan to dismantle the government. Congress will make sure only bits and pieces of an agenda pass over the entire term.

6. One more bonus (sorry, it's short). Bernie is old. He's at that age where he's seen it all, has as much experience as possible, and will soon be retiring. He will be a 1 term president, and I like that. Every president but Bush Sr. in my lifetime has been a 2 term president (and Bush spent 8 as VP). Our system is supposed to change every 4 years, with only the truly exceptional making it to 8. I want to go back to 4 year presidents rather than 8 year presidents and Bernie is a guy who can do that.
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:10 AM
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a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn A economist could indeed do the job. However, none of those are running for POTUS. Two business people are. Business people know how to organize for max profit. I believe that running the country like a business is what is needed instead of all the BS that is happening now. Politicians are simply not capable of making corrections that are needed.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:32 AM
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a reply to: Ceeker63

The issue with that is, as I pointed out, many business strategies involve abusing government loopholes and buying senators and congressmen to pass favorable legislation. Those strategies won't work for the government, and Trump has a large amount of incentive to avoid stopping them.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:35 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Adding to this, Bernie's campaign may sometimes be accused of being a "hope and change" style one that will ultimately lead to nothing getting done, but he's made it clear from the beginning that he can't do it alone and will need the people's help. One of his major goals is to get the citizens of the US involved in politics again, which I do not think anyone will say is a bad thing.




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