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Convince Me Your Candidate Should Get My Vote!

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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
I find it curious that people flock to threads to tell us how bad a candidate is, but when you ask for something positive about candidates everyone disappears.

I wonder if they all agree with you that none of them are worthy of our vote or if they have more fun tearing down someone else's choice instead of standing up for their candidate.


That's probably a 'yes' to both.

Personally, as it stands now, I'm a Rand Paul fan, although if the Libertarian Party puts up a decent candidate again, I'd probably vote them again out of conscience (doesn't matter, as KY's electoral college votes will go Repub anyway).

But with Paul, I know he's done/said some things during his run that I disagree with, but for the most part and looking back at his record of filibusters and votes, I see him as being the closest thing right now to a small-government politician who actually appreciates the Constitution, seems to love the 4th Amendment, has a relatively OK foreign policy (compared to other Republicans), seems dead set on auditing the Federal Reserve, and many other things with which I tend to agree.

The main thing about him that I do not like is that he has an R next to his name, and that scares me that it will eventually overtake the libertarian-minded ideologies that he seems to holds dear if he were to get into office.




posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 08:52 AM
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Bernie
and I could care less if he has your vote.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: MetallicusThe biggest reason I am voting for a non politician is they are not career politicians. Career politicians carry to much baggage forward. They have to many promises to keep. Even Sec. of State Hillary is married to a two timing S.O.B who I would not want anywhere near the White House again. Hillary is a liar. She also does not like dealing with the military, I have seen the Clinton's degrade military personnel.

I want to see America back to the great country I use to live in. It is going to take a business person to do that. Once my candidate gets into office he will quickly figure out what it takes to work with the politicians. I believe he will get things done, as he has stated many time. I think he also needs Karly as the VP. She is another business person that will help correct this political correctness madness that is so pervasive here in America.

All this is my opinion for what it is worth.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I'm going to vote for "hope and change"!

Or eat a sandwich that day.

Might flip a coin.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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@Ceeker: Actually, I think an economist would probably be better than a business person. A business person is oriented towards maximising profit at all costs, and a lot of their tricks tend to come from abusing the government by buying politicians. The government can't really do that to itself, can it?

a reply to: DBCowboy

What if it was "Hope and hard work to achieve change?"



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Slogans are slogans and are very sloganny. Might vote for Trump if leftists still want to kill Trump supporters. Might vote for Carson.

But I can't sell any candidate to anyone.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Oh, that's not actually a slogan, it's a sentiment.

Is my chance on convincing you to vote for Bernie 0%?



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: DBCowboy

Oh, that's not actually a slogan, it's a sentiment.

Is my chance on convincing you to vote for Bernie 0%?


Pretty much.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Would you be able to explain why it is so? The resulting discussion would likely also be useful for Metallicus.

If the reason you do not wish to vote for him is due to a simple disagreement that cannot be rectified or intrinsic dissonance rather than misunderstanding or incorrect information, I'll simply let the matter go. In that case, it is your own choice to make beyond any input I may have.
edit on 14/12/2015 by Eilasvaleleyn because: Reasons



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Bluntly? I don't like nor do I trust anyone who espouses bigger government/more government.

Bernie espouses democratic socialism. So I don't see bigger government as more freedom. Just the opposite, as a matter of fact.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

That certainly makes a degree of sense. It's easy to imagine a government becoming bloated, ponderous, and oppressive if it's allowed to expand. Yours is pretty much already there, sadly. Just look at all the alphabet agencies, it's ridiculous.

I wasn't aware that Bernie espoused bigger government, however. Not in the cases where it impacts the citizens directly. at least, like the Wall Street tax. In the case of the medical reform, it's mostly reforming what's already there to be more efficient and less terrible.
He also wants to reduce it in some cases, like eliminating federal restrictions on marijuana, ending the war on drugs and allowing the individual states to decide.
Or does that actually count as 'more government'? I'm not sure.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Not every idea of his is bad. But the higher taxes and bigger government programs shadow the restrictions he wants to lose on other things.

Every candidate has good ideas.

Every candidate has bad ideas also.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Would you mind spelling out the good ideas then, so I don't accidentally start telling you about an idea you already think is good?

Honestly, I think Bernie's "Get money out of politics" Trumps (if you pardon the pun) pretty much literally everything else out there. If money and corruption is generally removed from politics, or at least greatly weakened, it will be a glory like nothing we (or at least I) have witnessed in our lifetime.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Tell you what, explain how Bernie will make government smaller, reduce taxes, and make sure we have more freedoms, and I'll consider him.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Urgh, 'smaller' doesn't necessarily mean 'better'. I'd prefer 'more efficient', really. Still, his policies might actually have that effect. Casual glance says probably not, but it's possible. I'll try and research it tomorrow, as I really need to go to bed.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Metallicus

Ah, I see.

In case of error: www.youtube.com...

Well, here's a video I think shows off the most major reason I believe in Bernie. What do you take from it? That's a place to start. Some people think he'd bankrupt the country or whatever, though they're wrong, but we can discuss the economics later. The most important thing is to understand the key message of holding elected officials accountable.


I would rather read your opinions than watch a video. I am interested in what ATS members have to say more than I am watching some video. What are the three things you like best about him and the one concern you have?

Thanks for responding.
edit on 2015/12/14 by Metallicus because: Removed Video Link for Readability



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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I changed my mind, I am voting for Hillary Clinton because I think a lot of the people on this site deserves the pain she will bring.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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Hello Metallicus! I haven't been around ATS as much and have been lurking more than anything, but I wanted to reply yto you, as I am also Libertarian - Some may call me left-leaning, but most of my "left" opinions has more to do with leaving people alone, more so than anything.

Bernie Sanders is my guy. Why? He's the most likely to push us a new direction - Right now, billionaires own the government, and the government caters to billionaires, it's one team, it's HUGE - Socialistic, communistic, people can say what they want about Bernie, but the Fed is already way too big to have us worrying about these thingsBernie wants. He wants to take on the big banks, the billionaires, he wants to get money out of politics - If money and corruption were not so common in politics, a true libertarian would have half a chance! No offense but you can vote third party, NOTHING will happen, your vote might as well be dropped into a toilet with the current political situation/corruption. Vote for the person you think will make third parties a real option - My opinion is that this is Bernie. You can formulate your own.

Negative aspect of Bernie? He doesn't seem very adept at some of the actual political stuff - Foreign relations, for example. He has vague to no answers on how to deal with foreign conflict, and he never gives specific details on policies - Not that any candidate does ( I wish someone would! )



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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OP. You speak as if anyone's "candidate" will actually be able to do anything, other than what they're told to do.

I'd think anyone, that felt as "free" as you, to ask this question. Would know better.

Vote with your gut. So when you have to pull a trigger. You can die in peace, knowing you tried.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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Here's another reason I'm voting for Bernie. Has anyone seen the response to the Wall Street Journal calling for austerity spending cuts to deal with the deficit?

Here you go:




There really is no shame. The Wall Street leaders whose recklessness and illegal behavior caused this terrible recession are now lecturing the American people on the need for courage to deal with the nation’s finances and deficit crisis. Before telling us why we should cut Social Security, Medicare and other vitally important programs, these CEOs might want to take a hard look at their responsibility for causing the deficit and this terrible recession.

Our Wall Street friends might also want to show some courage of their own by suggesting that the wealthiest people in this country, like them, start paying their fair share of taxes. They might work to end the outrageous corporate loopholes, tax havens and outsourcing provisions that their lobbyists have littered throughout the tax code – contributing greatly to our deficit.

Many of the CEO’s who signed the deficit-reduction letter run corporations that evaded at least $34.5 billion in taxes by setting up more than 600 subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens since 2008. As a result, at least a dozen of the companies avoided paying any federal income taxes in recent years, and even received more than $6.4 billion in tax refunds from the IRS since 2008.

Several of the companies received a total taxpayer bailout of more than $2.5 trillion from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department.

Many of the companies also have outsourced hundreds of thousands of American jobs to China and other low wage countries, forcing their workers to receive unemployment insurance and other federal benefits. In other words, these are some of the same people who have significantly caused the deficit to explode over the last four years.


He then went on to call out the CEO's:



These are the names of traitors who have forsaken their people and nation to worship at the altar of greed:

1) Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $1.9 billion tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? Over $1.3 trillion.

Amount of federal income taxes Bank of America would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.6 billion.

2) Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $278 million tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $824 billion.

Amount of federal income taxes Goldman Sachs would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.7 billion

3) JP Morgan Chase CEO James Dimon
Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $416 billion.

Amount of federal income taxes JP Morgan Chase would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.9 billion.

4) General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $3.3 billion tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve? $16 billion.

Jobs Shipped Overseas? At least 25,000 since 2001.

5) Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $705 million tax refund.

American Jobs Cut in 2010? In 2010, Verizon announced 13,000 job cuts, the third highest corporate layoff total that year.

6) Boeing CEO James McNerney, Jr.
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? None. $124 million tax refund.

American Jobs Shipped overseas? Over 57,000.

Amount of Corporate Welfare? At least $58 billion.

7) Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer
Amount of federal income taxes Microsoft would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $19.4 billion.

8) Honeywell International CEO David Cote
Amount of federal income taxes paid from 2008-2010? Zero. $34 million tax refund.

9) Corning CEO Wendell Weeks
Amount of federal income taxes paid from 2008-2010? Zero. $4 million tax refund.

10) Time Warner CEO Glenn Britt
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $74 million tax refund.

11). Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2009? Zero. $55 million tax refund.

12) Deere & Company CEO Samuel Allen
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2009? Zero. $1 million tax refund.

13) Marsh & McLennan Companies CEO Brian Duperreault
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $90 million refund.

14) Qualcomm CEO Paul Jacobs
Amount of federal income taxes Qualcomm would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.7 billion.

15) Tenneco CEO Gregg Sherill
Amount of federal income taxes Tenneco would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $269 million.

16) Express Scripts CEO George Paz
Amount of federal income taxes Express Scripts would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $20 million.

17) Caesars Entertainment CEO Gary Loveman
Amount of federal income taxes Caesars Entertainment would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $9 million.

18). R.R. Donnelly & Sons CEO Thomas Quinlan III
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $49 million tax refund.


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I think that alone is reason enough to give Bernie a shot to turn this country around. He isn't in the pockets of these Corporations listed above and also isn't scared to call them out. The few are ruining it for the majority and it's all over greed.
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