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I place this thread here, because I consider any discussion about the morality surrounding guns to be a social issue and a source of civil unrest. I
looked at the weaponry forum, but that seemed to me more concerned with the objective facts and current developments surrounding weaponry than any
moral debate. I thought about placing this in the rant section, but honestly, I am neither angry nor deeply impassioned about the subject. I simply
have some personal ideas and feelings about it. Which I would like to share and discuss, but if it needs to be moved. By all means and an apology to
the hard working moderators / administrators here on ATS for my ignorance.
I was born and currently living in the European nation called the Netherlands. As far as I can tel we have pretty strict gun laws here. ( Law weapons
and munitions. ) To be brief no civilian can own a gun just because they want to protect themselves and their homes. The government is pretty honest
about why they have this law. Primarily it exists to ensure the safety and stability of the government itself. Secondly it exists to reduce violent
crime among the general population.
Some of the main reasons why I believe this is not a social issue in our country is because........
A Our population never considered owning a gun a right or even a privilege.
B The nation is wealthy enough and lacks inequality enough to not make people want to own a gun.
C People feel Safe with gun laws in place.
The idea of having the right to own a gun for the sake of protecting yourself against the government or even to use them to overthrow
the government in cases of emergency are considered laughable in the eyes of most Dutch nationals. People find it very understandable that the
government would like to protect itself against such possibilities. The idea is that if it ever gets so bad that a majority of the population would be
desperate enough to want to violently overthrow the government. The law will not be able to prevent people from gaining access to large amounts of
weaponry. Where there is a will there is a way mentality.
Furthermore the argument that gun ownership by a large portion of the population would deter the government from infringing on the rights of citizens
is also highly doubted. Reason being that there is simply not anything so damaging to the personal integrity of an individual to want to fight the
government in that way, if their was..... the people in charge would be crazy enough to have no qualms with exterminating large amounts of opposition
forces by using overwhelming force. On top of that a prolonged civil war could be much more damaging to the infra structure and long term well being
of the nation than a well planned insurgency or resistance.
We have faith in our military coalitions to not feel the need to individually want to deal with the possibility of external invasion. So again no need
The dutch have a reputation of liking to solve a problem through either: Diplomacy, Economics or Ressitance / Insurgency.
This is I believe rooted in a very high held Ideal by our populace that...... using common sense and / or grounded thinking to survive and thrive is
the best way to go to obtain long term security and prosperity. Compared to a never surrender scorched earth policy mindset.
What is liberty and justice when the land is in tatters and ruins.
In the eyes of some this makes us look weak, lacking integrity, blowing with the strongest wind. I would disagree. We do have morals and principles as
a people, but simply like to take our time working a problem until an opportunity arises. We are Opportunists .
I am proud to be Dutch, but I digress.
Now the only people that use guns in our country are the big shot criminals that see themselves above the law to begin with and once these criminals
are caught they are put away for a long long time. This lack of blur in gun usage makes people here feel exceedingly safe. Oh we have about 70.000
licensed guns owners here.
They are game hunters. Sports marksmen and Screened collectors. We do not seem to have much problems with them.
Statistically speaking there is not much need for a gun over here. I personally believe a gun gives a sense of power. The ability to force someone to
do something or other. I think a whole lot of domestic violence would be a lot worse over here if everyone had a gun in the closet.
For some reason or other a kitchen utility like a knife just does not convey the same kind of control and is more messy than most want to know or
experience. Hence the lack of problems on that front.
So...... to the United States Citizenry. I know gun ownership is part of your culture and history. I do not even feel that your guns should be taken
away from you, despite everything I have written above. Simply, because we are a different people with different mentality. It is even possible that
if the dutch would be given guns legally en mass... That we as a people would react quite immaturely compared to you folks who are so accustomed and
well educated in the use and etiquette of guns.
There must be a way to stop these string of senseless mass shootings your country is dealing with right now and I find gun control to some extent not
a very high price to pay to safe future innocent lives, but I am open for different ideas and solutions.
These are my thoughts.
I like to hear your ideas and feelings about the subject ATS. I am here to learn.
If this work is seen as an incohesive ramble. Again my apologies I wrote it on the fly.
Gamlegamle. ( no I am not danish, I know it means Old old.
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